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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 7:30:41 AM   
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I was listening to Chad Greenway on KFAN on Friday. He was talking about how as a linebacker having the extra tight end to keep track of causes him to hesitate. He tries to do everything fast. He would read the way the offensive line was blocking more than what was going on in the backfield to figure out what was happening.

Then there's the read option, which Cousins is supposed to be good at. If the linebacker makes a commitment Cousins can react to that. I'm just thinking that the offense wants to be complicated forcing the defense into mistakes or hesitating and being less aggressive.

Paul Charchian is a little bit down on the effectiveness of Irv Smith this year just because of the history of tight ends in their rookie seasons. He is also thinking that the offensive line will need a few games to work things out with all of the changes and moving parts. Here's a link to the podcast. The offensive line coach of the Sooners was also interesting to listen to. (talking about Samia)

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/episode/friday-feast-with-pa-and-charch-31148741/


Greenway is around 105 minute and the coach is around minute 29.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 10:01:19 AM   
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Presser Points: Teaching Opportunity Part of Zimmer’s ‘Favorite Time of Year’
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EAGAN, Minn. — The sun was out, temps were rising but still accented with a cool breeze, the fields were pristine green and there were Vikings draft picks, undrafted free agents and players trying out for a coveted spot on the 90-man offseason roster.

Mike Zimmer was a happy man.

“Good to have you all back; it’s been a while,” Zimmer said to open his podium session with media members on Friday. “It’s my favorite time of the year. It was nice to get to players out here today, get a little workout. Walk-through this morning with practice this afternoon. We should have three good days, and I’m looking forward to watching these guys work. Try to figure out how they learn, try to figure out how they interact with the rest of the team and how they accept coaching, things like that. We’re excited about it, a bunch of good draft picks.”

The Vikings head coach is a teacher of the game first and foremost, like his father was, and his son is.

After a long winter saddled with pre-draft evaluation meetings, assessments at college all-star games, the combine and pro days culminated with a 12-pick draft class (a Vikings record since the draft became a seven-round affair in 1994), Zimmer’s opportunity to teach this year’s newcomers started Thursday evening with a team meeting.

This weekend will include additional meetings, walk-throughs and practices at Twin Cities Orthopedics Performance Center.

The learning can be a two-way street, with Zimmer and his staff focusing on how individual players might learn things.

He took that approach when he first got here in 2014 and began working with players he inherited.

“For instance, Harrison Smith, I really never have to yell at him because he’s a guy that understands what I am saying all the time,” Zimmer explained. “You can give him a look because he knows you are mad at him. Some guys just take a little bit longer.


“When we first got here, Xavier [Rhodes] made great strides as far as starting to understand the scheme and the things that we are trying to do,” Zimmer added. “Some guys just take a little bit longer. [Anthony] Barr is a brilliant guy, so it doesn’t take him much. Each guy is a little bit different. I had a safety one time that never wanted to be embarrassed in front of everyone else. You had to talk to him much differently than some other safety. It took him a while to get things, but once he got it, he had it.”

Zimmer said it’s important for a coach to “be yourself and then you see what they respond best to.”

“At the end of the day, you are trying to get them to be the best player they can possibly be,” Zimmer said. “Whatever buttons you have to push, that is how you try to do it. You figure out what they respond best to. Like that safety, I used to have to correct him and I would come over, put my arm around him and I would talk real quiet to him and say, ‘Here is what you need to do. Try this, try that.’ Then there are other guys that need a kick in the rear end.”

Here are four other topics addressed by Zimmer on Friday:


1. On his advice to undrafted free agents/tryout players

The Vikings have a strong recent history of players joining the team after participating in rookie minicamp as an undrafted free agent or tryout player.

Receivers Adam Thielen (2013) and Chad Beebe (2018) are two examples of tryout players who worked their way up the roster ranks.

What was Zimmer’s advice to this year’s group?

“I told them last night, ‘Every year we sign somebody from here, whether it be Adam Thielen or Chad Beebe or Marcus Sherels, the list goes on and on,’ ” Zimmer said. “I told them … ‘We’re looking for guys that, number one, are good people, and, number two, they have to have athletic ability. Come out and do what they’re being coached to do.’ I remember last year with Beebe, you could see him right away with his athleticism and the way he never slowed down when he was running a route. I think it’s a little bit different for each position.”


2. Difficult assessment window

Zimmer admitted the short window is hard to make comprehensive assessments on all of the tryout players.

“We’ve missed guys in the past, we’ve had them in these workouts and they’ve signed other places and been good players,” Zimmer said. “A lot of times, it’s being in the right system, being in the right fit. It’s really about, ‘Can the guy get lined up? You give him different formations, things like that, and if they can’t get lined up right, that’s kind of a red flag. That’s part of it. Or if they’re slow thinking when they’re seeing the plays, things like that.”


3. Plan for Bradbury

The Vikings first pick of 2019, North Carolina State center Garrett Bradbury, is scheduled to speak after practice.

Zimmer was asked how much the Vikings plan to work the Rimington Trophy winner (nation’s top college center) at the pivot or at a guard spot.

“We’ll make a decision quickly and let him go,” Zimmer said.

Behind-the-Scenes Images of the Vikings Rookie Class at TCO Performance Center
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4. AAF influx


The Vikings were one of the most active NFL teams when it came to signing players from the defunct Alliance of American Football, a pro league that started play after Super Bowl LIII but folded.

Those players are able to participate in this weekend’s camp.

Zimmer said the group’s recent experience with pro football and understanding practice tempo and footwork should help those players.

“They have to learn different coverages and things like that,” Zimmer said. “All of these guys have pretty much been in camp before. Some of these guys look pretty good out here. We are just running around in shorts, so it’s hard to tell.”
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 10:13:46 AM   
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I found the above interesting with Zimmer's process and a couple of his comments. " [Anthony] Barr is a brilliant guy, so it doesn’t take him much."
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 10:26:04 AM   
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I wonder why I haven't seen a Rookie Minicamp report of any substance so far. I guess to get Arif's report I need to subscribe to The Athletic. Anybody know of any reports on how the various players are looking?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 11:08:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I was listening to Chad Greenway on KFAN on Friday. He was talking about how as a linebacker having the extra tight end to keep track of causes him to hesitate. He tries to do everything fast. He would read the way the offensive line was blocking more than what was going on in the backfield to figure out what was happening.

Then there's the read option, which Cousins is supposed to be good at. If the linebacker makes a commitment Cousins can react to that. I'm just thinking that the offense wants to be complicated forcing the defense into mistakes or hesitating and being less aggressive.

Paul Charchian is a little bit down on the effectiveness of Irv Smith this year just because of the history of tight ends in their rookie seasons. He is also thinking that the offensive line will need a few games to work things out with all of the changes and moving parts. Here's a link to the podcast. The offensive line coach of the Sooners was also interesting to listen to. (talking about Samia)

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/episode/friday-feast-with-pa-and-charch-31148741/


Greenway is around 105 minute and the coach is around minute 29.

For those like me who couldn't get the link to work try this one.
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003/e/60482368?autoplay=true

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 12:00:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I was listening to Chad Greenway on KFAN on Friday. He was talking about how as a linebacker having the extra tight end to keep track of causes him to hesitate. He tries to do everything fast. He would read the way the offensive line was blocking more than what was going on in the backfield to figure out what was happening.

Then there's the read option, which Cousins is supposed to be good at. If the linebacker makes a commitment Cousins can react to that. I'm just thinking that the offense wants to be complicated forcing the defense into mistakes or hesitating and being less aggressive.

Paul Charchian is a little bit down on the effectiveness of Irv Smith this year just because of the history of tight ends in their rookie seasons. He is also thinking that the offensive line will need a few games to work things out with all of the changes and moving parts. Here's a link to the podcast. The offensive line coach of the Sooners was also interesting to listen to. (talking about Samia)

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/episode/friday-feast-with-pa-and-charch-31148741/


Greenway is around 105 minute and the coach is around minute 29.


Thanks Bruce. Good stuff. Loved the talk about what they said about the importance of trying to make the line-up, team, etc, to put on a show early at rookie camp, TC, etc - - especially liked what they said about Chad Beebe at 124
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 12:01:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DeLain

I found the above interesting with Zimmer's process and a couple of his comments. " [Anthony] Barr is a brilliant guy, so it doesn’t take him much."


I liked what he said about him when they resigned him. Prompted me to come in and admit I don't know shit. He was saying how every team has to worry about him, game plan for him ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/5/2019 3:21:04 PM   
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https://www.vikings.com/video/highlights-from-saturday-s-rookie-minicamp-practice

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 9:30:54 AM   
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Tells you how secure Mannion is ... seems like he ousts Sloter or is gone (i.e. he's no more than a competitive tool to push Sloter) with our lineup most likely: Cousins-starter, Sloter-Back-up, Browning-dev/3rd string

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"It was somewhere that wanted me, so I wanted to be here." The #Vikings guaranteed more to undrafted QB Jake Browning ($140K) than free-agent QB Sean Mannion ($90K).
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 10:43:43 AM   
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Tells you how secure Mannion is ... seems like he ousts Sloter or is gone (i.e. he's no more than a competitive tool to push Sloter) with our lineup most likely: Cousins-starter, Sloter-Back-up, Browning-dev/3rd string

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"It was somewhere that wanted me, so I wanted to be here." The #Vikings guaranteed more to undrafted QB Jake Browning ($140K) than free-agent QB Sean Mannion ($90K).

We already have Browning ahead of Mannion? I like it if that is true. He was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever entering college and was PAC12 PotY his sophomore season. I think there is something there. Shoulder injuries sapped some of his arm strength, but maybe he can fully recover.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 12:21:11 PM   
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Vegas has Vikings win total around 8.5


That would be very disappointing in the 2nd year of $28 million dollar QB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 12:35:06 PM   
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If the under hits, indeed it would

We're better off betting our IPERS on the over Ron

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 12:35:29 PM   
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Vegas has Vikings win total around 8.5


That would be very disappointing in the 2nd year of $28 million dollar QB.

I bet I can't find 8.5 will have to settle for 9, but I'm glad to do that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 12:36:28 PM   
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Vegas has Vikings win total around 8.5


That would be very disappointing in the 2nd year of $28 million dollar QB.

The only prediction Vegas makes that is of interest is that the sports books will make a lot of money because people are idiots. 8.5 wins is the current idiot line for the Vikings, meaning they predict there will be an equal amount of idiots betting each side.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 1:32:18 PM   
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Vegas has Vikings win total around 8.5


That would be very disappointing in the 2nd year of $28 million dollar QB.

The only prediction Vegas makes that is of interest is that the sports books will make a lot of money because people are idiots. 8.5 wins is the current idiot line for the Vikings, meaning they predict there will be an equal amount of idiots betting each side.

If they have the Pukers at 9 I think the under on that one is a gimme.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 1:34:58 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Vegas has Vikings win total around 8.5


That would be very disappointing in the 2nd year of $28 million dollar QB.

I bet I can't find 8.5 will have to settle for 9, but I'm glad to do that.


They'll likely leave it at 8.5 but mess with the payouts. One year a bunch of us pooled our money and laid $10k on the over for the Vikes on season wins. There wasn't a single sportbook in Vegas that would take the bet so we had to split it up over three sportsbooks and the best we could get was 1.6X our money for the win. So, not only are they trying to keep the bets even, they also aren't stupid and knew just as well as we did what a no-brainer bet that was.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 1:51:56 PM   
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Tomorrow is a fairly big date, compensatory picks get turned off. Guessing there will be some activity in that teams can sign FA’s tomorrow without their signing being part of the equation for netting against 2020 compensatory pick eligibility.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 2:37:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Tells you how secure Mannion is ... seems like he ousts Sloter or is gone (i.e. he's no more than a competitive tool to push Sloter) with our lineup most likely: Cousins-starter, Sloter-Back-up, Browning-dev/3rd string

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"It was somewhere that wanted me, so I wanted to be here." The #Vikings guaranteed more to undrafted QB Jake Browning ($140K) than free-agent QB Sean Mannion ($90K).

We already have Browning ahead of Mannion? I like it if that is true. He was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever entering college and was PAC12 PotY his sophomore season. I think there is something there. Shoulder injuries sapped some of his arm strength, but maybe he can fully recover.


I heard from Paul Allen on his radio show that he was not impressed with Browning- that he didn't have velocity on his throws. I thought he did say he liked our receiver Johnson, though. I wanted to listen, but I had to get back to work. I'll try to catch it on the podcast.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 2:44:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Tells you how secure Mannion is ... seems like he ousts Sloter or is gone (i.e. he's no more than a competitive tool to push Sloter) with our lineup most likely: Cousins-starter, Sloter-Back-up, Browning-dev/3rd string

Andrew Krammer
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"It was somewhere that wanted me, so I wanted to be here." The #Vikings guaranteed more to undrafted QB Jake Browning ($140K) than free-agent QB Sean Mannion ($90K).

We already have Browning ahead of Mannion? I like it if that is true. He was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever entering college and was PAC12 PotY his sophomore season. I think there is something there. Shoulder injuries sapped some of his arm strength, but maybe he can fully recover.


I heard from Paul Allen on his radio show that he was not impressed with Browning- that he didn't have velocity on his throws. I thought he did say he liked our receiver Johnson, though. I wanted to listen, but I had to get back to work. I'll try to catch it on the podcast.


Professional trainers can improve arm strength of QBs...Didn't he have shoulder issues at one time Bruce?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 2:52:30 PM   
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Vikings almost always sign a tryout to the 90-man, which from my understanding is uncommon (but not unique). Examples include Adam Thielen, Marcus Sherels, C.J. Ham and Chad Beebe. Tryouts seem to make the roster or PS at twice the rate of other UDFAs once they make it to camp.

re: Isaiah Wharton. Might be someone to watch.

(Arif Hassan on Twitter)

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/5/6/18531560/minnesota-vikings-sign-isaiah-wharton

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 2:58:03 PM   
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Tomorrow is a fairly big date, compensatory picks get turned off. Guessing there will be some activity in that teams can sign FA’s tomorrow without their signing being part of the equation for netting against 2020 compensatory pick eligibility.


Nobody loses picks in this situation so I don't think this really amounts to a hill of beans.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 3:13:27 PM   
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Here it is at minute 97. I didn't find much more than what I already shared.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 4:14:04 PM   
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Here it is at minute 97. I didn't find much more than what I already shared.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/

Once again I can't get the IHeart link to play. For those in my situation try....
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003/e/60509231?autoplay=true

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/6/2019 5:52:34 PM   
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Tomorrow is a fairly big date, compensatory picks get turned off. Guessing there will be some activity in that teams can sign FA’s tomorrow without their signing being part of the equation for netting against 2020 compensatory pick eligibility.


Nobody loses picks in this situation so I don't think this really amounts to a hill of beans.



I do, and there is a chance you could lose a comp pick. I agree it doesn't impact us. We don't have the cap room but I think several veterans are still on the market due to this deadline. Supposedly NE is waiting until after.

In any case, we should be locked into a 3rd, and a couple lower 6/7 comp picks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/7/2019 2:37:14 AM   
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Signings from Rookie Camp Invitees

The Minnesota Vikings have elected to sign a few more players that stood out in their rookie mini-camp this last weekend.
According to Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, the Vikings are signing former LSU cornerback Terrence Alexander and former UAB defensive end Stacy Keely following tryouts this weekend.
Additionally, the team is signing defensive back Isaiah Wharton out of Rutgers.
Alexander spent just one year at LSU after joining the program as a graduate transfer after four years at Stanford. He recorded 23 tackles with three passes defended in eight games for the Tigers.
Keely appeared in 20 games for UAB over the last two seasons, recording 40 tackles, 5.5 sacks and two forced fumbles.
The report also states an interest by the Vikings in possibly adding punter Shane Tripucka eventually as well after a strong showing in mini-camp as both a punter and holder.

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