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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 2:34:43 PM   
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My current rankings:

Sloter
Cousins
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Browning

--- Will stay that way, unless Cousins wins a playoff game, Sloter has a poor performance, or Browning turns in an outstanding or horrible preseason game.

Where do you put Mannion?


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 2:35:01 PM   
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My current rankings:

Sloter
Cousins
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Browning

--- Will stay that way, unless Cousins wins a playoff game, Sloter has a poor performance, or Browning turns in an outstanding or horrible preseason game.

Where do you put Mannion?


I like how Cousins has to win a playoff game, but Sloter doesn't even have to take a snap that means anything.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 2:39:32 PM   
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My current rankings:

Sloter
Cousins
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Browning

--- Will stay that way, unless Cousins wins a playoff game, Sloter has a poor performance, or Browning turns in an outstanding or horrible preseason game.

Where do you put Mannion?


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 3:31:17 PM   
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I like how Cousins has to win a playoff game, but Sloter doesn't even have to take a snap that means anything.

EVERY snap means something. One poor performance will downgrade Sloter for me, but right now he is the next Kurt Warner until proven otherwise.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 3:33:35 PM   
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Where do you put Mannion?

Haven't watched any highlights of him yet.

By name, Mann ion, somewhere between Eli Manning and Jamies Winston, Manning --- Winston.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 4:16:05 PM   
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From Chavous

20. Jake Browning 6’2 211 Washington Grade: 4.87 (5th Round) Big Board Rank: 450

What makes this player NASTY…(Strengths):
Smart. Experienced. Durable. Won 39 games in school. Excelled in the Red Zone during the course of his career (60:1 TD: INT ratio). Keeps defenses off-balance. Enough mobility and foot speed. Became more of a scrambler as his career progressed (4th and 5 conversion, Pac-12 Championship ’18, 2nd QTR). Made a number of plays with his feet on third downs in 2018 (17 first downs). Flows through his progressions. Anticipates out patterns before they break open. Completes long cross field passes due to anticipation rather than arm strength. He does a satisfactory job of throwing fades to a spot. Became particularly effective at leading his No. 2 slot WRs to a spot (fades) with touch in 2018 (UCLA ’18). This has extended on double moves to personnel motioning out of the backfield (finds matchup, TD, National semifinal, Alabama ’16).
Weaknesses:
Underwhelming physically. Average RPMs on his fastball when required to drive the ball into tight windows. Balls don’t finish at the end of his throws (Stanford ’17). Leaves simple speed outs low and outside to open WRs (Pac-12 Championship ’18). Decision-making will fluctuate under pressure (intentional grounding, safety, Cal ’16). Makes poor choices vs. pressure blitz concepts (INT-TD-screen vs. blitz, Alabama ’16) or when throwing across his body (2nd and 9, 1st QTR, dropped INT, Pac-12 Championship ’18). Has been seen spiking the ball under imminent pressure as he attempts to avoid sacks (ASU ’16-Calhoun). Underthrows deep posts off the dagger (vertical/post route by No. 2, square-in by No. 1) route combination. When he tries to put extra oomph on passes, he’s overthrown targets crossing the field (INT-UCLA ’18-Pickett). Battled through a late season injury to his throwing shoulder in 2016. He was uncharacteristically high vs. 22 ASU early in their 2016 matchup on simple possession passes (checkdowns, quick game, speed outs). Later in this game, he was behind his receiver on a simple drive route that was tipped and returned for an INT-TD (ASU ’16).
Other Notes: Attended Folsom HS (Calif.) and set national records for TD passes in a high school career (229) • He was ranked as the 8th-best QB in the country by Scout.com • 2015 (12 sts, AllPac-12 Freshman Team): 2,955 yards passing (63%), 16 TDs and 10 INTs • 2016 (14 sts, Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year): Completed 243-of-391 passes (62%) for 3,430 yards, 43 TDs and 9 INTs • 2017 (13 sts, 2nd Team All-Pac-12): Completed 230-of-336 passes (69%) for 2,719 yards, 19 TDs and 5 INTs; 7 TDs rushing • 2018 (14 sts, Honorable mention All-Pac-12): Completed 252of-388 passes (65%) for 3,192 yards, 16 TDs and 10 INTs; 139 yards rushing and 4 TDs • Career Stats: 12,296 yards passing (65%), 94 TDs and 34 INTs; 16 rushing TDs • 2019 NFLPA Collegiate Bowl in-game report: Placed a perfect pass into the hands of 48 Brown and it was dropped in the first quarter. Then he came back and dropped a deep out over the shoulder of the WR where only he could catch it later in the quarter. Pierced a bend-in seam to his No. 2 slot TE Brown in front of the safety (1st QTR/4:40). Stepped up in the pocket and threw a dig across the MOF after buying time in the pocket (1st QTR/:08). Poor pass in terms of arm strength at the end of the first quarter. In the third quarter, he threw yet another interception when he attempted to throw back across his body into traffic. • 2019 NFL Combine: 6’2 211 9” hands, 32 1/2” arms, 4.74 40-yd, 29” VJ, 9’4” BJ, 7.19 3-cone, 4.44 20-yd SS
Time to get NASTY (Our Summary): Despite increased efficiency as a runner and scrambler over the course of the last two seasons, Browning didn’t trust his reads as decisively as he had earlier in his career. Was it the lack of legitimate outside threats? Perhaps, but it was noticeable how many passes he pulled down to prevent throwing into tightly contested coverage in 2018. He gradually became more antsy in the pocket and failed to trust his eyes as he had dating back to the 2016 campaign. For a player with average arm strength at best, he projects as a potential backup who can get you through a tough stretch due to his competitiveness and guile.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 4:50:26 PM   
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Dan Carlson finished the season 17/21 and 24/24. I think he missed only one kick after we cut him. I finally decided to check. Don't be surprised if he ends up being a many time All Pro kicker. It was either Prieffer or Zimmer who messed him up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 5:21:45 PM   
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Dan Carlson finished the season 17/21 and 24/24. I think he missed only one kick after we cut him. I finally decided to check. Don't be surprised if he ends up being a many time All Pro kicker. It was either Prieffer or Zimmer who messed him up.


He very well might turn out just fine...or even be good. As much as like(ed) to bang on Priefer the guy still choked himself out of a job with us. He and Priefer can eat a bag of dicks.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 5:24:59 PM   
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For a player with average arm strength at best, he projects as a potential backup who can get you through a tough stretch due to his competitiveness and guile.


That's fine with me. They can change this part or it can be him, or Sloter. Cousins is going to be here the better part of the next decade.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 5:25:26 PM   
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Dan Carlson finished the season 17/21 and 24/24. I think he missed only one kick after we cut him. I finally decided to check. Don't be surprised if he ends up being a many time All Pro kicker. It was either Prieffer or Zimmer who messed him up.


He very well might turn out just fine...or even be good. As much as like(ed) to bang on Priefer the guy still choked himself out of a job with us. He and Priefer can eat a bag of dicks.


Did he choke or was he yet another guy that couldn't kick straight after Preifer "fixed" him?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 5:32:04 PM   
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Dan Carlson finished the season 17/21 and 24/24. I think he missed only one kick after we cut him. I finally decided to check. Don't be surprised if he ends up being a many time All Pro kicker. It was either Prieffer or Zimmer who messed him up.


He very well might turn out just fine...or even be good. As much as like(ed) to bang on Priefer the guy still choked himself out of a job with us. He and Priefer can eat a bag of dicks.


Did he choke or was he yet another guy that couldn't kick straight after Preifer "fixed" him?


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 5:58:32 PM   
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Dan Carlson finished the season 17/21 and 24/24. I think he missed only one kick after we cut him. I finally decided to check. Don't be surprised if he ends up being a many time All Pro kicker. It was either Prieffer or Zimmer who messed him up.


He very well might turn out just fine...or even be good. As much as like(ed) to bang on Priefer the guy still choked himself out of a job with us. He and Priefer can eat a bag of dicks.


Did he choke or was he yet another guy that couldn't kick straight after Preifer "fixed" him?


60-40.

Honestly I think Zimmer fixed him. Zimmer is very open about his hatred for kickers and got in his head.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 6:18:04 PM   
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Dan Carlson finished the season 17/21 and 24/24. I think he missed only one kick after we cut him. I finally decided to check. Don't be surprised if he ends up being a many time All Pro kicker. It was either Prieffer or Zimmer who messed him up.

Or Carlson.

Who cares. We'll never know for sure.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 6:25:56 PM   
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He was probably more likely a kid who had pressure on him, it got in his head and he sucked for a couple games. That led to Zimmer panicking based on the past.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 6:45:39 PM   
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It's too bad the Vikes were probably gun shy after the Carlson experience, I think they could have drafted a really good kicker in Siebert this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 6:48:57 PM   
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I blame the a-hole Priefer, but Priefer may have just been Zimmer's Richard Solomon, the 2ndary coach that really sucked under Denny Green.

But Green wasn't going to win a SB anyway, didn't have the killer instinct, DenKnee Green. Hopefully Zimmer isn't one of the same.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 8:17:02 PM   
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Live draft and minicamp review show on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6_YTSTMNk&t=28s

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 9:50:03 PM   
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Pete Prisco Power Rankings

2. Packers

20. Vikings

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 10:56:39 PM   
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Pete Prisco Power Rankings

2. Packers

20. Vikings



He's just throwing darts in the dark. I have heard from many that expect the Vikings to win the division this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/8/2019 11:13:08 PM   
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Pete Prisco Power Rankings

2. Packers

20. Vikings



Bulletin board Material for the Vikings.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... 1-overall/

Listen to the Video on that link Page. The guys who work with Prisco at CBS are basically calling him an idiot. They pointed out how the Rams and Saints both won 13 games which was more than twice as many as the Pack. Prisco is commenting like the Pack D will be so improved that they will be better than the Bears and the Bears IIRC had the best defense in the league.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/9/2019 9:20:54 AM   
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Pete Prisco Power Rankings

2. Packers

20. Vikings




That's a good thing.

Prisco is so bad at football evaluation it's laughable.

The Packers are likely finishing last in their own division. They are not making a Super Bowl run.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/9/2019 9:48:08 AM   
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Pete Prisco Power Rankings

2. Packers

20. Vikings




That's a good thing.

Prisco is so bad at football evaluation it's laughable.

The Packers are likely finishing last in their own division. They are not making a Super Bowl run.



But but but. Aaron Rodgers....and they drafted some guys...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/9/2019 9:55:56 AM   
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Pete Prisco Power Rankings

2. Packers

20. Vikings




That's a good thing.

Prisco is so bad at football evaluation it's laughable.

The Packers are likely finishing last in their own division. They are not making a Super Bowl run.

I think the Bears will be be about the same ... I like their hc but teams preparing for them differently and earlier in the season, and injuries (like all of us) could affect their record more than a couple games. Plus 2 of their division rivals will be better than last year, maybe 3.

Not sure how good the Packers will be ... they’ve added pieces in FA and I like (hate) their draft picks the last 2 years. I think they will be a better than last year and trending upward.

I am always amazed at how the Lions, who seem to add talent in the offseason that I covet, end up faltering. Stafford could have a brutal season or play inspired, given his wife’s situation.

I think we will play inconsistently on offense for the first few game but overall, we will be improved. Greatly improved.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/9/2019 10:00:20 AM   
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I guess thats a wishy washy projection too early in the year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/9/2019 10:04:50 AM   
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I guess thats a wishy washy projection too early in the year.


I might be a bit biased with that projection.

How's this; The Packers are more likely to finish last in the division than participate in the Super Bowl.

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