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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 9:45:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rudolph is not as important after Diggs/Thielen combo became prominent. We find a more dependable #3 and/or throw more to the RB and it will dilute his targets more....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 9:52:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rudy is what he is. He is a big, slow moving target with good hands, who doesn't make block particularly well and doesn't get significant YAC. This makes him a great target from deep in the red zone and on 3rd and short. It does not make him Gronk light. He doesn't suck, but neither is he game changer. Teams really don't have to game plan for him. I have no problem with keeping him for one year. I wouldn't be upset if they moved him either.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 10:12:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now that the Vikings are under the cap with Rudolph, the Vikings don't have to get beat up with the low ball offers for Rudolph. They can be patient and wait until a tight end on another team goes down with an injury or they can cut him in September.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 10:22:57 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 10:51:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read a lot of comments regarding the amount of first downs Rudy gets and how valuable that is. Here is a list of the top 36 tight ends for total first downs in 2018 then broken down to % of catches that are first downs. So, to avoid confusion - these are the top 36 tight ends for TOTAL first downs in 2018 ranked by the % of their catches that result in a first down:

OJ Howard: 82%
Mark Andrews: 82%
Levine Toilolo: 76%
Gronk: 72%
George Kittle: 68%
Jared Cook: 68%
Antonio Gates: 68%
Tyler Higbee: 67%
Greg Olsen: 67%
Travis Kelce: 66%
Vance McDonald: 66%
Vernon Davis: 64%
Chris Herndon: 64%
Ryan Griffen: 63%
Cameron Brate: 60%
Ben Watson: 60%
Eric Ebron: 59%
Nick Vannett: 59%
Blake Jarwin: 59%
Jimmy Graham: 58%
Zach Ertz: 57%
Jesse James: 57%
Ian Thomas: 56%
Trey Burton: 54%
Jack Doyle: 54%
Rhett Ellison: 52%
Gerald Everett: 52%
Rudy!: 50%
Evan Engram: 49%
CJ Uzomah: 49%
David Njoku: 48%
Jordan Reed: 48%
Dallas Goedert: 45%
Jeff Heuerman: 45%
Austin Hooper: 42%
Ricky Seals-Jones: 41%

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 11:24:45 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 11:39:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

I read a lot of comments regarding the amount of first downs Rudy gets and how valuable that is. Here is a list of the top 36 tight ends for total first downs in 2018 then broken down to % of catches that are first downs. So, to avoid confusion - these are the top 36 tight ends for TOTAL first downs in 2018 ranked by the % of their catches that result in a first down:

OJ Howard: 82%
Mark Andrews: 82%
Levine Toilolo: 76%
Gronk: 72%
George Kittle: 68%
Jared Cook: 68%
Antonio Gates: 68%
Tyler Higbee: 67%
Greg Olsen: 67%
Travis Kelce: 66%
Vance McDonald: 66%
Vernon Davis: 64%
Chris Herndon: 64%
Ryan Griffen: 63%
Cameron Brate: 60%
Ben Watson: 60%
Eric Ebron: 59%
Nick Vannett: 59%
Blake Jarwin: 59%
Jimmy Graham: 58%
Zach Ertz: 57%
Jesse James: 57%
Ian Thomas: 56%
Trey Burton: 54%
Jack Doyle: 54%
Rhett Ellison: 52%
Gerald Everett: 52%
Rudy!: 50%
Evan Engram: 49%
CJ Uzomah: 49%
David Njoku: 48%
Jordan Reed: 48%
Dallas Goedert: 45%
Jeff Heuerman: 45%
Austin Hooper: 42%
Ricky Seals-Jones: 41%

What was his rank for total first downs?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 11:56:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

I read a lot of comments regarding the amount of first downs Rudy gets and how valuable that is. Here is a list of the top 36 tight ends for total first downs in 2018 then broken down to % of catches that are first downs. So, to avoid confusion - these are the top 36 tight ends for TOTAL first downs in 2018 ranked by the % of their catches that result in a first down:

OJ Howard: 82%
Mark Andrews: 82%
Levine Toilolo: 76%
Gronk: 72%
George Kittle: 68%
Jared Cook: 68%
Antonio Gates: 68%
Tyler Higbee: 67%
Greg Olsen: 67%
Travis Kelce: 66%
Vance McDonald: 66%
Vernon Davis: 64%
Chris Herndon: 64%
Ryan Griffen: 63%
Cameron Brate: 60%
Ben Watson: 60%
Eric Ebron: 59%
Nick Vannett: 59%
Blake Jarwin: 59%
Jimmy Graham: 58%
Zach Ertz: 57%
Jesse James: 57%
Ian Thomas: 56%
Trey Burton: 54%
Jack Doyle: 54%
Rhett Ellison: 52%
Gerald Everett: 52%
Rudy!: 50%
Evan Engram: 49%
CJ Uzomah: 49%
David Njoku: 48%
Jordan Reed: 48%
Dallas Goedert: 45%
Jeff Heuerman: 45%
Austin Hooper: 42%
Ricky Seals-Jones: 41%

What was his rank for total first downs?


Tied for 8th with Jimmy Graham. Just behind Vance McDonald and just ahead of Austin Hooper.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 1:55:38 PM   
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Looks like today's #Vikings moves should leave them with in the neighborhood of $620,000 of salary-cap room.



I misread. They said converting half of Kendricks base salary of 4.5M. I used 4.5 as the cap reduction number.


It does however, minimize the long term affects of the deal. Only 400k added to each of the remaining years in his contract.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 3:07:10 PM   
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Now that the Vikings are under the cap with Rudolph, the Vikings don't have to get beat up with the low ball offers for Rudolph. They can be patient and wait until a tight end on another team goes down with an injury or they can cut him in September.

Very good point Bruce.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 4:47:43 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 4:50:08 PM   
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http://twitter.com/fsnorth/status/1128440719625019392/video/1

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 4:54:43 PM   
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2835905-every-nfl-teams-biggest-reason-to-look-forward-to-2019-season

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 5:25:06 PM   
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I'm 100% in. This is it. This year. It's happening.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 5:26:33 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 5:39:01 PM   
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https://www.addictedtoquack.com/2019/5/14/18622870/2019-nfl-draft-minnesota-vikings-wr-dillon-mitchell-scouting-report

It's all there. The good the bad and the ugly. They expect Mitchell to instantly become WR3 for the Vikings.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 9:29:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		So looks like the entire interior of our OL will be new starters, will probably be halfway into the season before the unit is hitting on all cylinders. I like our early schedule, if we can go 3-2 in the first 5 games we should be aight. 4-1 is a possibility, 2-0 at Packers and Bears is a lot to ask for.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 9:49:53 PM   
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So looks like the entire interior of our OL will be new starters, will probably be halfway into the season before the unit is hitting on all cylinders. I like our early schedule, if we can go 3-2 in the first 5 games we should be aight. 4-1 is a possibility, 2-0 at Packers and Bears is a lot to ask for.

You counting Elf as a new starter because of new position?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 10:53:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was wondering if Elflein makes the team. I know that's a crazy thought, but I was wondering what surprises are coming. Maybe it would be a surprise if just Elflein isn't a starter.

So maybe that's too much, but anyone else want to speculate on a surprise. I mean, if some of these rookies make the roster an established player may have to be cut.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/15/2019 11:00:44 PM   
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I was wondering if Elflein makes the team. I know that's a crazy thought, but I was wondering what surprises are coming. Maybe it would be a surprise if just Elflein isn't a starter.

So maybe that's too much, but anyone else want to speculate on a surprise. I mean, if some of these rookies make the roster an established player may have to be cut.



I would not be surprised if he is not a starter.

I would be shocked if cut. He's got experience at center and guard. Redundant with Jones, but I'd expect Elf to be better in the new scheme and is younger. Can't see them pulling the plug on him completely this soon.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2019 12:47:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

So looks like the entire interior of our OL will be new starters, will probably be halfway into the season before the unit is hitting on all cylinders. I like our early schedule, if we can go 3-2 in the first 5 games we should be aight. 4-1 is a possibility, 2-0 at Packers and Bears is a lot to ask for.

You counting Elf as a new starter because of new position?


Yes.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2019 1:35:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

https://www.addictedtoquack.com/2019/5/14/18622870/2019-nfl-draft-minnesota-vikings-wr-dillon-mitchell-scouting-report

It's all there. The good the bad and the ugly. They expect Mitchell to instantly become WR3 for the Vikings.



i thought the same, but i've been reading about olabisi johnson and now i'm thinking that he could be the one...he's got huge hands - much larger than mitchell's...i think we did well drafting both of those guys where we did....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2019 4:29:35 AM   
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I was wondering if Elflein makes the team. I know that's a crazy thought, but I was wondering what surprises are coming. Maybe it would be a surprise if just Elflein isn't a starter.

So maybe that's too much, but anyone else want to speculate on a surprise. I mean, if some of these rookies make the roster an established player may have to be cut.


Th




I would not be surprised if he is not a starter.

I would be shocked if cut. He's got experience at center and guard. Redundant with Jones, but I'd expect Elf to be better in the new scheme and is younger. Can't see them pulling the plug on him completely this soon.


The only reason thought of it was that I saw the film on his play in the Bears game and I wondered how his transition to guard will be.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2019 6:16:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I was wondering if Elflein makes the team. I know that's a crazy thought, but I was wondering what surprises are coming. Maybe it would be a surprise if just Elflein isn't a starter.

So maybe that's too much, but anyone else want to speculate on a surprise. I mean, if some of these rookies make the roster an established player may have to be cut.


Th




I would not be surprised if he is not a starter.

I would be shocked if cut. He's got experience at center and guard. Redundant with Jones, but I'd expect Elf to be better in the new scheme and is younger. Can't see them pulling the plug on him completely this soon.


The only reason thought of it was that I saw the film on his play in the Bears game and I wondered how his transition to guard will be.

Spielman doesn't cut his losses on higher draft picks this early. Willie Beavers is the highest pick I can think of that left relatively early. Elf will be around at least two more years even if last year's play level is representative. Then again, other than Treadwell, most early picks have been worth keeping.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2019 7:33:00 AM   
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I was wondering if Elflein makes the team. I know that's a crazy thought, but I was wondering what surprises are coming. Maybe it would be a surprise if just Elflein isn't a starter.

So maybe that's too much, but anyone else want to speculate on a surprise. I mean, if some of these rookies make the roster an established player may have to be cut.

Oline starters

Reiff
Kline
Bradbury
Samia
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