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Who is CV Boot? He makes good points.

He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career.

Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you.

David said AND/OR is dishonest. He left open the very real possibility that the individual is completely honest and just bad at looking stats. He implied multiple possibilities. You then inferred the worst of David from it. He's the one who should be angry, not you.

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DF - I'm with you, thought CVboot exaggerated stats/info for affect. Kept calling Rudy's contract 7M. It's 7.65M. Idk about you, but it defies my time in 2nd grade math class.

I really don't understand the post. Other TE's have less friendly team contracts so we should be grateful and keep Kyle??

The question is not: "Is Kyle worth 7.65M?" IMO the question is: What is the combination of contracts and players that give maximum opportunity to win a Superbowl. Is our goal this year? Or do we worry about future years?

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We have different definitions of reasonable. His cap hit is 7.65. If he's on the roster, he will earn 7.65. I have not seen any article anywhere use only his base salary when discussing his contract.

I still don't see the value in the post. Could you explain it to me KG?


EDIT: It is 7.625. Means nothing to the argument.

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I'm not going to say it's disingenuous to discredit this guy based on his statement "50 catches for 600 yards". True Rudolf has never averaged 12 YPC in any season, but over the last 4 seasons he has averaged 63 catches for 625 yards. So if anything the guy actually understated what Rudolph is likely to do in 2019, IF we are basing it on his recent seasons. Yeah yeah I know, a year older, overdue for an injury, Smith will eat into those numbers... yac yac yac

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I'm not going to say it's disingenuous to discredit this guy based on his statement "50 catches for 600 yards". True Rudolf has never averaged 12 YPC in any season, but over the last 4 seasons he has averaged 63 catches for 625 yards. So if anything the guy actually understated what Rudolph is likely to do in 2019, IF we are basing it on his recent seasons. Yeah yeah I know, a year older, overdue for an injury, Smith will eat into those numbers... yac yac yac

Good straightforward unbiased summay, imo

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ORIGINAL: Pager

We have different definitions of reasonable. His cap hit is 7.65. If he's on the roster, he will earn 7.65. I have not seen any article anywhere use only his base salary when discussing his contract.

I still don't see the value in the post. Could you explain it to me KG?


EDIT: It is 7.625. Means nothing to the argument.

The value is to show how Rudy is fairly compensated according to the market and possibly a bargain. It seems that on Talk Vikes familiarity is breeding contempt as we don't appreciate him IMO like we should.

The $7.625 just shows that you were wrong like 7.275 shows I was wrong. I'm sure both of us had good intentions. In general we should give people the benefit of the doubt. I feel DF's post was in bad faith using a cheap trick to try to win rather than honest discussion.

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Keeping Rudolph makes the team better this season. I love the Smith pick but you never know with rookies. Hoping Smith emerges but at the very least gets his feet wet at the NFL level. Nobody can argue Rudolph is a field stretcher. I would argue he is much better then Morgan who has had three years to unseat him. Like him or not Rudy has put up good numbers with 4 different QBs. Not great. If Smith is great we will know soon enough. If Smith is great that will elevate Rudy.

You cannot teach size or hands both of which Rudolph has. If Smith can drive those LB/S away from the middle it should open that area of the field for all. Rudolph will not do this nor will Treadwell who opponents cover with a quick LB plus wont be catching anything outside of a pass on target. A running game to force the safeties up and the LBs to respect the run goes a long ways towards helping AT/Diggs with opportunities down field.

The offense needs more weapons in the pass game when they double Diggs/ Thielen. The offense must run the ball efficiently. We all should be excited about the rookies but they still are rookies and its a big step into the NFL. Kline/Reiff need to get back to who they were. Elf has to fulfill the promise of the rookie season. ONeill has to build on last season. I, like all, have Bradbury pegged for the HOF and Samia an instant starter. If Bradbury can start and Samia is a super sub that is still a good draft. Vikes also have a few other free agent signings that might make a difference along the OL.

Rudy is valuable and a good TE. Hopefully Smith emerges and can do the things Kelce does- who was drafted in the 3rd round. Lucky to have both on the team.

Rudy does have shortcomings but so do most players. Hope he sticks around but business is business and getting some return with a 4th rounder or up is a positive. Having him stay, converting third downs and scoring TDs is better.

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Who is CV Boot? He makes good points.

He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career.

Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you.

David said AND/OR is dishonest. He left open the very real possibility that the individual is completely honest and just bad at looking stats. He implied multiple possibilities. You then inferred the worst of David from it. He's the one who should be angry, not you.

Show me one stat the OP posted that was wrong. The 50-600 was just a hypothetical. DF tried to twist the OP's words to discredit him in an attempt to win the RUDY war. I'm calling him out for it. CV Boot doesn't even post here and DF's attack on his character is completely wrong and uncalled for. Nobody at Daily Norseman had a problem with either his research or integrity.

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We have different definitions of reasonable. His cap hit is 7.65. If he's on the roster, he will earn 7.65. I have not seen any article anywhere use only his base salary when discussing his contract.

I still don't see the value in the post. Could you explain it to me KG?


EDIT: It is 7.625. Means nothing to the argument.

The value is to show how Rudy is fairly compensated according to the market and possibly a bargain. It seems that on Talk Vikes familiarity is breeding contempt as we don't appreciate him IMO like we should.

The $7.625 just shows that you were wrong like 7.275 shows I was wrong. I'm sure both of us had good intentions. In general we should give people the benefit of the doubt. I feel DF's post was in bad faith using a cheap trick to try to win rather than honest discussion.

Many have made similar arguments. He added dead money/team friendly to it. If anything it shows how difficult it would be for many of the teams to move on this year. Actually decreasing Kyle's market.

I see it differently. I agree with DF. My impression of the post was similar, I felt like there was an agenda. Evidenced by 7M, 50 for 600 are just a couple examples.

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Who is CV Boot? He makes good points.

He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career.

Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you.

David said AND/OR is dishonest. He left open the very real possibility that the individual is completely honest and just bad at looking stats. He implied multiple possibilities. You then inferred the worst of David from it. He's the one who should be angry, not you.

Show me one stat the OP posted that was wrong. The 50-600 was just a hypothetical. DF tried to twist the OP's words to discredit him in an attempt to win the RUDY war. I'm calling him out for it. CV Boot doesn't even post here and DF's attack on his character is completely wrong and uncalled for. Nobody at Daily Norseman had a problem with either his research or integrity.

David didn't twist anything or attack anyone's character, but you just attacked his for a second time.

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We have different definitions of reasonable. His cap hit is 7.65. If he's on the roster, he will earn 7.65. I have not seen any article anywhere use only his base salary when discussing his contract.

I still don't see the value in the post. Could you explain it to me KG?


EDIT: It is 7.625. Means nothing to the argument.

The value is to show how Rudy is fairly compensated according to the market and possibly a bargain. It seems that on Talk Vikes familiarity is breeding contempt as we don't appreciate him IMO like we should.

The $7.625 just shows that you were wrong like 7.275 shows I was wrong. I'm sure both of us had good intentions. In general we should give people the benefit of the doubt. I feel DF's post was in bad faith using a cheap trick to try to win rather than honest discussion.

Many have made similar arguments. He added dead money/team friendly to it. If anything it shows how difficult it would be for many of the teams to move on this year. Actually decreasing Kyle's market.

I see it differently. I agree with DF. My impression of the post was similar, I felt like there was an agenda. Evidenced by 7M, 50 for 600 are just a couple examples.

DF didn't even say anything about 50-600 which were not looked up. They were just hypothetical numbers presented that actually diminished what Rudy has been doing. The OP never said anything about Rudy getting 12 YPR. DF fabricated that. You have been fair. I don't get you supporting DF's BS but you like him better than me so I think that explains it.

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I'm not going to say it's disingenuous to discredit this guy based on his statement "50 catches for 600 yards". True Rudolf has never averaged 12 YPC in any season, but over the last 4 seasons he has averaged 63 catches for 625 yards. So if anything the guy actually understated what Rudolph is likely to do in 2019, IF we are basing it on his recent seasons. Yeah yeah I know, a year older, overdue for an injury, Smith will eat into those numbers... yac yac yac

Good straightforward unbiased summay, imo

Good summary as well. To me 63-625 is more impressive than 50-600. I prefer the 13 additional catches at 9.9 YPR compared to less at 12.
I still believe DF acted in bad faith.

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We have different definitions of reasonable. His cap hit is 7.65. If he's on the roster, he will earn 7.65. I have not seen any article anywhere use only his base salary when discussing his contract.

I still don't see the value in the post. Could you explain it to me KG?


EDIT: It is 7.625. Means nothing to the argument.

The value is to show how Rudy is fairly compensated according to the market and possibly a bargain. It seems that on Talk Vikes familiarity is breeding contempt as we don't appreciate him IMO like we should.

The $7.625 just shows that you were wrong like 7.275 shows I was wrong. I'm sure both of us had good intentions. In general we should give people the benefit of the doubt. I feel DF's post was in bad faith using a cheap trick to try to win rather than honest discussion.

Many have made similar arguments. He added dead money/team friendly to it. If anything it shows how difficult it would be for many of the teams to move on this year. Actually decreasing Kyle's market.

I see it differently. I agree with DF. My impression of the post was similar, I felt like there was an agenda. Evidenced by 7M, 50 for 600 are just a couple examples.

DF didn't even say anything about 50-600 which were not looked up. They were just hypothetical numbers presented that actually diminished what Rudy has been doing. The OP never said anything about Rudy getting 12 YPR. DF fabricated that. You have been fair. I don't get you supporting DF's BS but you like him better than me so I think that explains it.

Just wow. How does doing math on 50-600 equal fabrication? FWIW, I'd rather have the higher YPC,

You are separating the two when I think they should be used collectively to provide context.


Oh for simpler times when all we did was argue about the offensive line.

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I'm not going to say it's disingenuous to discredit this guy based on his statement "50 catches for 600 yards". True Rudolf has never averaged 12 YPC in any season, but over the last 4 seasons he has averaged 63 catches for 625 yards. So if anything the guy actually understated what Rudolph is likely to do in 2019, IF we are basing it on his recent seasons. Yeah yeah I know, a year older, overdue for an injury, Smith will eat into those numbers... yac yac yac

Good straightforward unbiased summay, imo

Good summary as well. To me 63-625 is more impressive than 50-600. I prefer the 13 additional catches at 9.9 YPR compared to less at 12.
I still believe DF acted in bad faith.

Those 13 additional catches net 25 yards. I don't see that as understated. Would you rather have a RB that has a proportionately higher YPC, even with fewer carries? I would.

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I think if we are going to run 2 TE's in the base offense we best keep 4 on the 53

TE's seem to get hurt a lot. Esp early in their career. Morgan has missed plenty of games as did Rudy early in his career. not saying Smith or Conklin are destined to get hurt but you can't deny the facts.

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600/50 = 12

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I'm not going to say it's disingenuous to discredit this guy based on his statement "50 catches for 600 yards". True Rudolf has never averaged 12 YPC in any season, but over the last 4 seasons he has averaged 63 catches for 625 yards. So if anything the guy actually understated what Rudolph is likely to do in 2019, IF we are basing it on his recent seasons. Yeah yeah I know, a year older, overdue for an injury, Smith will eat into those numbers... yac yac yac

Good straightforward unbiased summay, imo

Good summary as well. To me 63-625 is more impressive than 50-600. I prefer the 13 additional catches at 9.9 YPR compared to less at 12.
I still believe DF acted in bad faith.

Those 13 additional catches net 25 yards. I don't see that as understated. Would you rather have a RB that has a proportionately higher YPC, even with fewer carries? I would.

13 more catches at 10 rounded per catch is going to create about 7 more first downs. 63-625 is superior to 50-600.

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Keeping Rudolph makes the team better this season. I love the Smith pick but you never know with rookies. Hoping Smith emerges but at the very least gets his feet wet at the NFL level. Nobody can argue Rudolph is a field stretcher. I would argue he is much better then Morgan who has had three years to unseat him. Like him or not Rudy has put up good numbers with 4 different QBs. Not great. If Smith is great we will know soon enough. If Smith is great that will elevate Rudy.

You cannot teach size or hands both of which Rudolph has. If Smith can drive those LB/S away from the middle it should open that area of the field for all. Rudolph will not do this nor will Treadwell who opponents cover with a quick LB plus wont be catching anything outside of a pass on target. A running game to force the safeties up and the LBs to respect the run goes a long ways towards helping AT/Diggs with opportunities down field.

The offense needs more weapons in the pass game when they double Diggs/ Thielen. The offense must run the ball efficiently. We all should be excited about the rookies but they still are rookies and its a big step into the NFL. Kline/Reiff need to get back to who they were. Elf has to fulfill the promise of the rookie season. ONeill has to build on last season. I, like all, have Bradbury pegged for the HOF and Samia an instant starter. If Bradbury can start and Samia is a super sub that is still a good draft. Vikes also have a few other free agent signings that might make a difference along the OL.

Rudy is valuable and a good TE. Hopefully Smith emerges and can do the things Kelce does- who was drafted in the 3rd round. Lucky to have both on the team.

Rudy does have shortcomings but so do most players. Hope he sticks around but business is business and getting some return with a 4th rounder or up is a positive. Having him stay, converting third downs and scoring TDs is better.

You're preaching to the choir with me.