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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 10:02:53 AM

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We all know that there's something wrong with Adrian. With all of the money he's made, why is he even borrowing money anyway?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/02/adrian-peterson-ordered-to-pay-2-4-million-after-defaulting-on-a-loan/

he's paying mastercard rates....

Per the report, Peterson borrowed $4 million in April 2016, the spring before his last year in Minnesota. Peterson initially failed to make the first $200,000 payment in July 2017, pushing the interest rate from 15 percent to 23 percent. Peterson also failed to pay the loan in full when it matured in February 2018.

"... It wouldn't be wise to bet against him."

???

Who's taking bets?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 10:27:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

We all know that there's something wrong with Adrian. With all of the money he's made, why is he even borrowing money anyway?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/02/adrian-peterson-ordered-to-pay-2-4-million-after-defaulting-on-a-loan/

he's paying mastercard rates....

Per the report, Peterson borrowed $4 million in April 2016, the spring before his last year in Minnesota. Peterson initially failed to make the first $200,000 payment in July 2017, pushing the interest rate from 15 percent to 23 percent. Peterson also failed to pay the loan in full when it matured in February 2018.

That's diseased. He must be making a lot of child support payments or something. I just don't get it. He makes more money in a week than I do in a year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 10:31:13 AM

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His earning power is 1/10th of what it was. Doubt his expenses are. I figure it's the same thing as seeing your bank account week to week or month to month trying to figure out where the money went....just on a grander scale. You'll be all like; did I really swipe for coffee that many times, whereas he'll be all like; did I rent 3 camels this month...thought it was only 2.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 11:04:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

We all know that there's something wrong with Adrian. With all of the money he's made, why is he even borrowing money anyway?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/02/adrian-peterson-ordered-to-pay-2-4-million-after-defaulting-on-a-loan/

he's paying mastercard rates....

Per the report, Peterson borrowed $4 million in April 2016, the spring before his last year in Minnesota. Peterson initially failed to make the first $200,000 payment in July 2017, pushing the interest rate from 15 percent to 23 percent. Peterson also failed to pay the loan in full when it matured in February 2018.

That's diseased. He must be making a lot of child support payments or something. I just don't get it. He makes more money in a week than I do in a year.

He's made over $90 million in his career so far and likely another $30 million in endorsements. Obviously he's spent it all. What a shame. He should be on the lending end of that 23% interest not on the borrowing end. Also, he doesn't block worth a damn. And he chokes/fumbles in the biggest moments of the biggest games.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 11:17:08 AM

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Our schedule is no pushover.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/07/02/minnesota-vikings-second-toughest-2019-schedule/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 11:23:32 AM

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Our schedule is no pushover.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/07/02/minnesota-vikings-second-toughest-2019-schedule/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 11:37:46 AM

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Let's take informal poll. Assuming it can be done intentionally, which do you believe is more reasonable:

A - snapping the exact rotation to the same distance every time putting the laces in an area to be spotted without having to rotate the ball

B - seeing the rotation and grasping the ball at the exact moment needed to spot the ball without having to rotate it

I say A

- and I say that not convinced that it's possible (of course I haven't watch the video yet)

C - they cherry picked the snaps for the video

D - they told the holder DO NOT under any circumstances rotate the ball!

Watching the video I think there is a HIGH probability the answer is D. There was one that definitely should have been turned if you believe the laces should face the goal posts and he didn't even make an attempt. It's possible that coaches differ from coach to coach on how important the laces are. I've often thought the timing difference of turning the ball would cause more disruption than hitting the laces. But then, what do I know, I'm just an old OLineman.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 11:55:49 AM

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I've often thought the timing difference of turning the ball would cause more disruption than hitting the laces. But then, what do I know, I'm just an old OLineman.

Me too!! Thats always amazed me. Id take a lot of repetitions to ignore something like that, imo. And then still ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 12:13:59 PM 1 votes

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Our schedule is no pushover.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/07/02/minnesota-vikings-second-toughest-2019-schedule/

Just think how tough it is for our opponents.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 1:57:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

We all know that there's something wrong with Adrian. With all of the money he's made, why is he even borrowing money anyway?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/02/adrian-peterson-ordered-to-pay-2-4-million-after-defaulting-on-a-loan/

he's paying mastercard rates....

Per the report, Peterson borrowed $4 million in April 2016, the spring before his last year in Minnesota. Peterson initially failed to make the first $200,000 payment in July 2017, pushing the interest rate from 15 percent to 23 percent. Peterson also failed to pay the loan in full when it matured in February 2018.

That's diseased. He must be making a lot of child support payments or something. I just don't get it. He makes more money in a week than I do in a year.

He's made over $90 million in his career so far and likely another $30 million in endorsements. Obviously he's spent it all. What a shame. He should be on the lending end of that 23% interest not on the borrowing end. Also, he doesn't block worth a damn. And he chokes/fumbles in the biggest moments of the biggest games.

All those kids from all those women, it shows poor choices. He was likely as loose with his money as he was with his sperm. I figured bankruptcy was in his future, I didn't think it would be this soon.

I don't think they can go after his pension in bankruptcy, likely that is about all he will have.

Coming to a Card Signing Show soon and often AP !!!!!

what a waste.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 2:10:02 PM

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For those who play Madden, Irv Smith JR led all Vikings rookies in overall rating at 75 overall for the new Madden 2020 game. His speed & acceleration ratings were posted at 85 each in those categories. Bradbury was 2nd in ratings at 73 overall w/ 89 strength & 84 acceleration.

(Vikings Spin on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 2:19:10 PM

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As you will notice above, the Vikings used 11 personnel (1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR) on 68 percent of their total snaps in 2018. Out of those sets, they passed the ball 74 percent of the time and the ground game accounted for 26 percent of the total offensive volume. When the Vikings had one running back, one tight end and three wide receivers on the field, it was highly likely a pass play would occur.

http://www.mnvikingscorner.com/2019/07/how-could-varying-personnel-groupings.html

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 2:31:30 PM

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Our schedule is no pushover.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/07/02/minnesota-vikings-second-toughest-2019-schedule/

Good, I don't want a pushover schedule.

And really, Since there is player turnover and coaching changes etc etc to some extent on every team. How a team was last year has no bearing on how tough a team will be this year.

Some teams you should expect to be a tough game vs the Vikings, like the Bears and Packers.

Some might look tough now but one injury to one significant player and suddenly it's more of a cakewalk.

I don't put much concern into how tough the schedule will be.

If the team is well prepared, it really shouldn't matter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 3:59:37 PM

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Our schedule is no pushover.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/07/02/minnesota-vikings-second-toughest-2019-schedule/

Good, I don't want a pushover schedule.

And really, Since there is player turnover and coaching changes etc etc to some extent on every team. How a team was last year has no bearing on how tough a team will be this year.

Some teams you should expect to be a tough game vs the Vikings, like the Bears and Packers.

Some might look tough now but one injury to one significant player and suddenly it's more of a cakewalk.

I don't put much concern into how tough the schedule will be.

If the team is well prepared, it really shouldn't matter.

I didn't study it, but apparently CBS utilized a complicated formula to determine the strength of schedule and not just wins and losses. i agree with what you say, though. Especially at the end of the season, teams that are not in the hunt are usually "pushovers". That could be a lot of teams that are hopeful at this point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 4:08:40 PM

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I will take an easy schedule all day. It has paid off big time for the Patriots playing in the AFC East.

Home field playoff games are worth their weight in gold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 4:43:16 PM

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I will take an easy schedule all day. It has paid off big time for the Patriots playing in the AFC East.

Home field playoff games are worth their weight in gold.

It's not like we have a choice. I do hope we are playing our best football at the end of the season. A talented CB coming off the PUP could be a difference maker.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 11:45:33 PM

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It seems like a big deal when a holder has to spin it after he puts it down. He gets credit for doing it when he gets the laces straight, and chastised when he doesn't. Most times though, the holder catches the snap and adjusts the ball prior to putting it down, where there is no need to spin it on the turf.

If a holder has to spin it after he puts it down, something went wrong...bad snap, not a clean catch.

No offense to the Superstar, but I'd rather have a great holder than a great long snapper.

Anybody know why the NFL predominately uses Punters and QB's as holders?

Why didn't we ever utilize Cris Carter's hands/balls skills as a holder? In his prime, he had the best hands in the game. Almost zero risk of injury just being a holder, not to mention how that could possibly open up other ST possibilities. Berger was better at that job than Carter? Any theories why it's almost always a punter or QB holding the ball on FG's?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/2/2019 11:55:31 PM

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Two reasons.
One is those two positions are used to catching long snaps
Two is (mostly for punters) .... They are roster-stable. They rarely are replaced or injured mid-season

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/3/2019 7:13:18 AM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/sports/football/a-meshing-of-talents-on-every-field-goal-attempt.html

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The nearly perfect field-goal snap spins backward with the ball making two and a half revolutions from DeOssie’s hands to the holder, who is kneeling 8 yards behind the snapper. Trial and error has taught DeOssie that two and a half revolutions assures that the ball will arrive at Weatherford’s hands with the laces facing the sky, which makes it easier for Weatherford to catch it and immediately place it on the ground with the laces facing the goal post. If the laces do not face the target, the kicked ball can curve unpredictably.

mhmmmm,,,,

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/3/2019 7:18:36 AM

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So now we can stop talking about the holding and his hand eye spin catching and placing skills...

I now wonder if our guy is the best, or top 3. If the holder has to spin or doesn't spin the laces when they're facing the wrong way there has to be some sort of measurable for that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/3/2019 7:21:04 AM

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Most times though, the holder catches the snap and adjusts the ball prior to putting it down

Sooooooo, yeah, no....

But thanks for playing...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/3/2019 8:32:56 AM

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I told Daniel House that I would suggest a topic for him to research and write about. Any suggestions? I do have an idea, though.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/3/2019 9:05:40 AM

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I told Daniel House that I would suggest a topic for him to research and write about. Any suggestions? I do have an idea, though.

Snapping and placement ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/3/2019 9:37:43 AM

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Two reasons.
One is those two positions are used to catching long snaps
Two is (mostly for punters) .... They are roster-stable. They rarely are replaced or injured mid-season

Two would also apply to the clipboard toting backup QBs, as starting QBs rarely (or never) are the holders.

For QBs there is also some translation of their ball handling skillset (ie handing the ball off etc) to placing the ball for a kick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/3/2019 10:42:13 AM

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Most times though, the holder catches the snap and adjusts the ball prior to putting it down

Sooooooo, yeah, no....

But thanks for playing...

I was the holder for our HS team my JR and SR years. The risk of bobble is too great if you try and adjust the ball in the air prior to putting it down. I was taught catch and a snap movement to get it on the ground, mostly for timing. During the transition
(after catch to putting it on the ground) I was then looking at the laces to process the adjustment needed to get laces out.

The rest of the conversation has been interesting. I'm trying to think back, if I could have tracked the laces during the snap. It was never a focal point. Snappers in HS can be a little erratic, so I was more worried about the trajectory than laces.

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