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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 4:27:46 PM   
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Mike Zimmer says he wasn't thorough enough when interviewing offensive coordinators last year and has points of emphasis this time around for the #Vikings.


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 5:27:02 PM   
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Source tells me @Vikings are working to re-sign special teams coach Mike Priefer, whose contract is expiring. Team is exploring other options in case it doesn't happen.


Why wouldn't it happen? Aint nobody beating down his door looking to advance the career ST coach.

Sefanski OC's for 5 minutes and is getting looks.

Might as well get that sour taste in my mouth for next year started...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 5:29:34 PM   
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Mike Zimmer says he wasn't thorough enough when interviewing offensive coordinators last year and has points of emphasis this time around for the #Vikings.



Why admit that?

Yeah I just winged it. Didn't ask enough times if they really really would run the ball as much as I wanted.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 5:32:22 PM   
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Mike Zimmer says he wasn't thorough enough when interviewing offensive coordinators last year and has points of emphasis this time around for the #Vikings.



Why admit that?

Yeah I just winged it. Didn't ask enough times if they really really would run the ball as much as I wanted.


He just keeps reinforcing that maybe Defensive Coordinator is his best role...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 5:32:48 PM   
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There are tangible numbers showing the the Vikings pass protection was at the bottom of the league. This isn't opinion. It's fact. I for one will quit complaining about it when those number no longer show us at the bottom of the league.

And there are tangible numbers that a QB with a quick release, or one with mobility, or one that doesn't always start games slowly, has better pass protection because of it. This isn't opinion, it's fact.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 5:44:29 PM   
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The Browns on Thursday interviewed Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski for the team’s head coach opening.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-interview-vikings-offensive-coordinator-kevin-stefanski-for-head-coach
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 5:56:41 PM   
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The Browns on Thursday interviewed Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski for the team’s head coach opening.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-interview-vikings-offensive-coordinator-kevin-stefanski-for-head-coach


And we're trying to keep preifer and angling to interview hue for OC? Awesome!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 5:59:39 PM   
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The Browns on Thursday interviewed Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski for the team’s head coach opening.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-interview-vikings-offensive-coordinator-kevin-stefanski-for-head-coach


And we're trying to keep preifer and angling to interview hue for OC? Awesome!


We'll do these things and in the draft 'have' to take a defensive player who fell in the 1st.

Lowered expecta - ations.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 6:02:31 PM   
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The Browns on Thursday interviewed Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski for the team’s head coach opening.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-interview-vikings-offensive-coordinator-kevin-stefanski-for-head-coach


And we're trying to keep preifer and angling to interview hue for OC? Awesome!


We'll do these things and in the draft 'have' to take a defensive player who fell in the 1st.

Lowered expecta - ations.

Maybe it's just time that it's better that way ... I'm tired of the stress after thinking "We've really got a shot this time."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 6:09:02 PM   
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Barnwell's 2018 Lessons

No team is one player away

During their cap disaster era earlier this decade, the Saints seemed capable of convincing themselves that they were perennially one player or one fix away from winning the Super Bowl. On one hand, we've seen how good they can be with Drew Brees and a good defense over the past two seasons, but the reality was that they were always a few players away. After going 11-5 in 2013, they handed a huge contract to star Bills safety Jairus Byrd, even though the deal required an onerous structure to fit into an already tight cap. He was a disaster in New Orleans and is now out of football. The Saints didn't turn things around until they had a killer draft in 2017.

The Vikings had their killer drafts before making their big free-agent move, but it was fair to look at what they did in this offseason and view them as serious Super Bowl contenders. After making it to the NFC Championship Game and returning virtually everyone from a dominant defense, the Vikings raised their floor at quarterback by replacing Case Keenum with Kirk Cousins on a $28 million per year deal. I liked the move, and I wasn't the only one.

Sixteen games later, Vikings fans aren't as enthused. The goalposts have begun to move in the way they often do when teams aren't satisfied with their quarterback. After grumbling about Cousins' record in prime-time games, he seemed to satiate Vikings fans with a 342-yard, three-touchdown performance against the Packers in Week 12, but that wasn't enough.

The impotent offense led Mike Zimmer to fire offensive coordinator John DeFilippo in December, and while Cousins and replacement offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski helped push the offense to 68 points over two subsequent games, Vikings fans always seemed one rough series or quarter away from booing the offense again. In a must-win game on Sunday against the Bears, Cousins and the offense gave those fans plenty of opportunities to holler. Minnesota went three-and-out on its first four drives, racked up just three first downs by halftime, and finished with just 10 points.

With two fully guaranteed years left to go on Cousins' deal, the Vikings are basically tied in with him with precious little wiggle room to make changes for the foreseeable future. (There will certainly be Vikings fans dreaming of a scenario in which they trade Cousins and use the freed-up cap space to re-sign Teddy Bridgewater, and while it's theoretically possible given that Cousins' money is tied into a base salary, he would need to give his written consent for any trade.) After thinking they were one player away from a Super Bowl run, the Vikings are realizing that it isn't quite that simple.

Lesson: Be realistic about which elements of your team's play are likely to recur. During the offseason, fans often get hopeful about their team by counting on everything that went right to stay great while expecting everything that went wrong to improve. Teams can be just as optimistic internally. The Vikings had an incredibly healthy defense with an unsustainably great third-down rate in 2017. Their offensive line stayed healthy, and it allowed Keenum to post what would have been an impressive season for Cousins. I can't fault Minnesota for going after Cousins, but the front office probably now wishes it had re-signed someone like Bridgewater or Keenum and used the money to supplement the offensive line.




I seriously do not remember anybody in here gushing about Cousins being the “Final piece to the puzzle.”

Quite frankly I was extremely uncomfortable when I heard it all the time on TV, and radio.

I recall many like myself thinking Cousins was an upgrade to Keenum, but certainly not a world beating/ elite QB.

The more removed I get from the season the more questions I raise as to why in the hell couldnt Spielman/Zimmer/George Paton/ any other Vikings personnel executives see what MOST of us in here and around the country plainly saw. Our OLine was below average, and then lost Joe Berger to retirement. Then lose Nick Easton to injury.

Spielman’s answer-
Sign freaking Tom Freaking Compton
Draft cb Mike Hughes ahead of numerous OLine prospects and a run on OLineman in the draft.
Draft Brian O’Neill (Who I think even they perceived a project)
Low grade trade for a Giants backup center (Jones) who came in and got pushed all over the place, and then benched.


I’d have to say the Vikes got lucky that O’Neill came in and played as well as he did or it could’ve even been WORSE..

Serious GM Malpractice on the OLine...

Cousins is probably just a slightly above average QB with better pass pro, certainly not someone you ride to victory...



I'm questioning your recollection of the timing of events with the guards. Easton had a broken ankle I think but his neck injury surfaced in camp. Yes Berger was first as he retired in late March, I think after most of free agency but certainly before the draft though.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 6:36:38 PM   
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Out of that entire article...

What stands out, and defines fans and management alike ... is the insane belief that things that were good will always stay good and that the “bad” will get better with some effort.....



We were conference champions..
We played a tougher schedule.
The teams we faced were, “no purple blinders”, better than we were in coaching and execution.
We lost Sporano, unexpectedly and a noob had to step in.
We lost Shurmer to NYG, and the effect was huge.
Defilipo was a horrible choice as replacement.
Griff had a mental breakdown... something I know something about, and it affected everyone including the rubes here.
Griff has been one of our BEST defensive players, but now many want to cut, trade, restructure or otherwise reduce or eliminate the “perceived distraction” that is Everson Griffen.

Over and over some have pointed out and argued that we need to fix the offensive line with players and coaching.
For years we have tried to argue this fundamental problem.
We get shouted down by the finger pointers who want to blame cousins, Zimmer, cook, Rudolph, name your flavor of the week scapegoat, kickers, receivers... ad nauseum.

To me the smart ones watch the line play and bitch about it..
The rest is just clueless noise.

If your QB is “leading the league “in pass attempts under pressure”, you have a problem on the line.
Duh

If you have white knuckles on third and less than a yard because you know in your heart that trying to throw for it is a better option than dominating the line of scrimmage, you have a problem on the offensive Line.
Duh.

Management needs to pull its head out and fix the offense by starting with the unit that sucks the most..

I doubt any of our OL players would be starters on any of the playoff teams.

End of rant.

Well said Danno

To me much of the problems that occurred this season fall on Spielmans lap.

Obviously not the Sporano passing RIP

But the half ass construction of the oline. When you invest big time in a qb that investment needs protection. Spielman went to Walmart and picked out Compton.

I don't have proof, but the Dephillippo hiring is not a typical Zim hire. Zim hires guys he knows that are old school such as the Norval, Shurmur, Sporano
Point I'm getting at is Dephillippo may well have been forced on Zimmer by Spielman.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 6:40:07 PM   
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If Spielman and Zimmer are on 1 year contracts is it going to be tough to get someone other than Stepanski and/or Hue?

When you think about it who would even want that job

Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 6:41:39 PM   
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Pardon me for not researching ... but did George Iloka disappear off the face of the earth?
We kept adding guys who no one's ever heard of all year.
Did he fall off the cliff so badly that he couldn't be counted on?
I honestly thought that was a shrewd acquisition at the time.

I think I seen his face on a milk carton at 7 eleven

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 6:44:06 PM   
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Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years


And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 6:52:14 PM   
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I agree with whoever said if Zimmer was such a defensive guru, then why did he need to dump countless resources into the D (granted it was bad).

I think we had Griffen and Smith.

We invested heavily in Joseph, Barr, Waynes, Kendricks, Hughes, Richardson. Reupped Griffen, Joseph, Smith, Rhodes.

As Beap Chastard once said, "Sometimes ya gotta coach 'em up!".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 7:22:45 PM   
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I agree with whoever said if Zimmer was such a defensive guru, then why did he need to dump countless resources into the D (granted it was bad).

I think we had Griffen and Smith.

We invested heavily in Joseph, Barr, Waynes, Kendricks, Hughes, Richardson. Reupped Griffen, Joseph, Smith, Rhodes.

As Beap Chastard once said, "Sometimes ya gotta coach 'em up!".



By my count, we have 9 defensive players on the roster drafted in either the 1st or 2nd round. (Two weren't drafted by us)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 8:11:42 PM   
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Source tells me @Vikings are working to re-sign special teams coach Mike Priefer, whose contract is expiring. Team is exploring other options in case it doesn't happen.


Why wouldn't it happen? Aint nobody beating down his door looking to advance the career ST coach.

Sefanski OC's for 5 minutes and is getting looks.

Might as well get that sour taste in my mouth for next year started...


Boy I sure hope our lucky run of eleventy-plus years of no one sniping him off our staff continues.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 8:19:00 PM   
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Rick Spielman’s Draft Preview

1. DE
2. DT
3. S
4. OG
5. Trade Down
6. K
6. Trade Down
7. OT
7. WR
7. CB



Haha that gets my TV broken right after the 1st pick...



Good stuff McMurfy and Kurt.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 8:20:10 PM   
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Mike Zimmer says he wasn't thorough enough when interviewing offensive coordinators last year and has points of emphasis this time around for the #Vikings.



Why admit that?

Yeah I just winged it. Didn't ask enough times if they really really would run the ball as much as I wanted.


He just keeps reinforcing that maybe Defensive Coordinator is his best role...





WTF

He didn't do his job interviewing the second most important coaching job on this staff (since he literally is the DC)??????????????????????????

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 8:32:00 PM   
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https://sports.yahoo.com/zimmer-couldnt-figure-why-vikings-had-different-vibe-220324078--nfl.html


More from the interview.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 8:34:52 PM   
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People get too caught up in QB salaries. If the QB is decent and his contract is up he is going to get huge money, that is just the way it is. The reason for that is drafting a QB is like playing Russian Roulette and most chambers have a bullet in them (the odds are not with you).

The stats I find interesting are:
1. Successful teams seem to have a good QB with a team friendly salary. Gives them room to add pieces.
2. Super Bowl winning teams to it early in a coach's tenure and not later.

#1 is mostly luck, not sure anybody is some great QB draft guru.
#2. message gets old or it is the wrong message. Give a coach 5 years and if you are not knocking on the door of a Super Bowl you don't extend and move on.

I find the draft boring and refuse to dig into all the stuff, all I know is OL better be chosen the first two rounds and a FA signing on the OL would also seem to be wise.

If Zimmer is defensive Jesus it would seem to me he should be able to do more with less if need be. Instead he seems to suck up all the resources and antagonizes the offense publicly. He reminds me of a more PC version of Buddy Ryan.

That has been said by others on this board, and I agree.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 8:37:19 PM   
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Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears.

Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears.

Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017


https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 8:42:19 PM   
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Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years


And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years...

And his one playoff win proved to be his downfall, since the Vikings defense has never recovered from the second half of that game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2019 9:54:00 PM   
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2019 4:25:50 AM   
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The first round pick for the Vikings could very well be Oklahoma lineman Cody Ford. Ford said he will not go back to Oklahoma to play his senior season and will enter the draft. That’s good news for Minnesota considering that’s one more player that can help on the line.

The reason I said ‘lineman’ is because Ford has the ability to play both guard and tackle. He played left guard during his 2016 and 2017 season. He then moved over and played right tackle in 2018. Ford did break his leg early in his 2016 season, and had a banged up year in 2017.

Just based on his ability to play multiple positions on the line is beneficial for the Vikings, simply on how the line has the reputation to be banged up at times.

The only downside to him declaring for the draft during his junior year is scouts, teams and fans only have seen Ford play one whole healthy season. But, if you were to ask someone like Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari if that was the right move, he’d probably say yeah, just because of the stellar year and attention Ford received during his junior year at OU.

The six-foot-four-inch, 338 pound Pineville, Louisiana native earned himself a spot on the All-Big 12 team this past season. He was also apart of the offensive line at Oklahoma that won the Joe Moore Award for having the best O-line in college football.

Charlie Campbell, senior draft analyst with WalterFootball.com has Ford as the number one ranked guard in the upcoming draft class. That’s pretty interesting considering his one healthy year he’s played at right tackle, not guard. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. has him ranked third.

Again, just to wrap things up, I think he would be a good fit considering he can play both the guard and the tackle position. I’d rather take someone who can be versatile, as opposed to someone who will be stationary at one position.

Oh, and based off this lil’ clip, he’s not afraid to be physical by any means. If you’re a big follower of college or Sooner football, let me know you’re thoughts of him down in the comments...daily norseman

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