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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years

And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years...

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years

And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years...

I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win.

He's an above average DC, that's all he is.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years

And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years...

I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win.

He's an above average DC, that's all he is.

Damn simple...he coaches up. That is why the Wilfs are willing to spend up to the cap. We have had lots of injuries and losses and made the playoffs....they underachieved this year----that is the opposite of what has happened in his tenure.

I think they overachieved last year. Do you think the Bears overachieved this year or are more talented on offense (including the oline) and as talented as us on defense?

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp

"Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped."

- if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years

And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years...

I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win.

He's an above average DC, that's all he is.

Damn simple...he coaches up. That is why the Wilfs are willing to spend up to the cap. We have had lots of injuries and losses and made the playoffs....they underachieved this year----that is the opposite of what has happened in his tenure.

I think they overachieved last year. Do you think the Bears overachieved this year or are more talented on offense (including the oline) and as talented as us on defense?

I don't think 2017 (where our defense folded in the Playoffs) makes up for this year or the disaster of 2016 - where a 5-0 start finished 8-8 and we never recovered from the Philly beat down in Game 6.

I think we're "fake tough guys". We can roll people when things are going well, but punch us in the mouth and we cower.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears.

Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears.

Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017


https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears.

Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears.

Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017


https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html

You know, during any given year you play they exact same schedule as every other team in your division with the exception of two games. You get the last place teams if you finish in last place for those two games. It really isn't that much of a difference with the rest of the division.

That being said, the Bears snuck up on and surprised a few people this year. That wont happen next year. I definately see a regression like the Vikings experienced this year.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp

"Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped."

- if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work

It's a joke.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I think Trubisky is a below average QB. He is a running QB that sucks in the pocket. Long term that has never worked in the NFL.

You need an above average QB to stay relevant for the long haul. Cost too much money to pay a truck load of defenders big money to stay good long term.

Bears were basically lucky.

I have never considered Zimmer an overachiever. He seems to beg Speilman to spend every Fin dime and draft pick on defense. He isn't doing "more with less'.

Considering the rest of the division's problems, if the Vikings don't win the North next season Zimmer should be shit canned in Mike Tice fashion.

looking back, it is shocking how god awful the Vikings were in almost every single game they played somebody good.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp

"Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped."

- if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work

It's a joke.

It's a veiled threat.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp

"Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped."

- if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work

It's a joke.

It's a veiled threat.

An empty threat...

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears.

Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears.

Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017


https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html

You know, during any given year you play they exact same schedule as every other team in your division with the exception of two games. You get the last place teams if you finish in last place for those two games. It really isn't that much of a difference with the rest of the division.

That being said, the Bears snuck up on and surprised a few people this year. That wont happen next year. I definately see a regression like the Vikings experienced this year.

The only way the Bears regress is if they start having to pay some of these guys and lose others.

Hicks, Fuller, Eddie Jackson and those 4 LBs are about as tough a defense as there is. The other guys aren't chopped liver either.

They have addressed every part of both units. No weak spots.

Maybe losing Fangio would set them back a little bit.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I think Trubisky is a below average QB. He is a running QB that sucks in the pocket. Long term that has never worked in the NFL.

You need an above average QB to stay relevant for the long haul. Cost too much money to pay a truck load of defenders big money to stay good long term.

Bears were basically lucky.

I have never considered Zimmer an overachiever. He seems to beg Speilman to spend every Fin dime and draft pick on defense. He isn't doing "more with less'.

Considering the rest of the division's problems, if the Vikings don't win the North next season Zimmer should be shit canned in Mike Tice fashion.

looking back, it is shocking how god awful the Vikings were in almost every single game they played somebody good.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears.

Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears.

Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017


https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html

You know, during any given year you play they exact same schedule as every other team in your division with the exception of two games. You get the last place teams if you finish in last place for those two games. It really isn't that much of a difference with the rest of the division.

That being said, the Bears snuck up on and surprised a few people this year. That wont happen next year. I definately see a regression like the Vikings experienced this year.

The only way the Bears regress is if they start having to pay some of these guys and lose others.

Hicks, Fuller, Eddie Jackson and those 4 LBs are about as tough a defense as there is. The other guys aren't chopped liver either.

They have addressed every part of both units. No weak spots.

Maybe losing Fangio would set them back a little bit.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I think Trubisky is a below average QB. He is a running QB that sucks in the pocket. Long term that has never worked in the NFL.

You need an above average QB to stay relevant for the long haul. Cost too much money to pay a truck load of defenders big money to stay good long term.

Bears were basically lucky.

I have never considered Zimmer an overachiever. He seems to beg Speilman to spend every Fin dime and draft pick on defense. He isn't doing "more with less'.

Considering the rest of the division's problems, if the Vikings don't win the North next season Zimmer should be shit canned in Mike Tice fashion.

looking back, it is shocking how god awful the Vikings were in almost every single game they played somebody good.

???

How much did they give Diggs and Cousins this offseason. How much did they give Remmers and Reiff the prior offseason?

They are not giving every dime and every draft pick to defense....it actually is pretty even....just three years ago they had the most expensive OLine....they need to spend money wiser as they spend up to their cap every year.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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The first round pick for the Vikings could very well be Oklahoma lineman Cody Ford. Ford said he will not go back to Oklahoma to play his senior season and will enter the draft. That’s good news for Minnesota considering that’s one more player that can help on the line.

The reason I said ‘lineman’ is because Ford has the ability to play both guard and tackle. He played left guard during his 2016 and 2017 season. He then moved over and played right tackle in 2018. Ford did break his leg early in his 2016 season, and had a banged up year in 2017.

Just based on his ability to play multiple positions on the line is beneficial for the Vikings, simply on how the line has the reputation to be banged up at times.

The only downside to him declaring for the draft during his junior year is scouts, teams and fans only have seen Ford play one whole healthy season. But, if you were to ask someone like Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari if that was the right move, he’d probably say yeah, just because of the stellar year and attention Ford received during his junior year at OU.

The six-foot-four-inch, 338 pound Pineville, Louisiana native earned himself a spot on the All-Big 12 team this past season. He was also apart of the offensive line at Oklahoma that won the Joe Moore Award for having the best O-line in college football.

Charlie Campbell, senior draft analyst with WalterFootball.com has Ford as the number one ranked guard in the upcoming draft class. That’s pretty interesting considering his one healthy year he’s played at right tackle, not guard. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. has him ranked third.

Again, just to wrap things up, I think he would be a good fit considering he can play both the guard and the tackle position. I’d rather take someone who can be versatile, as opposed to someone who will be stationary at one position.

Oh, and based off this lil’ clip, he’s not afraid to be physical by any means. If you’re a big follower of college or Sooner football, let me know you’re thoughts of him down in the comments...daily norseman

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years

And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years...

I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win.

He's an above average DC, that's all he is.

Damn simple...he coaches up. That is why the Wilfs are willing to spend up to the cap. We have had lots of injuries and losses and made the playoffs....they underachieved this year----that is the opposite of what has happened in his tenure.

I think they overachieved last year. Do you think the Bears overachieved this year or are more talented on offense (including the oline) and as talented as us on defense?

I don't think 2017 (where our defense folded in the Playoffs) makes up for this year or the disaster of 2016 - where a 5-0 start finished 8-8 and we never recovered from the Philly beat down in Game 6.

I think we're "fake tough guys". We can roll people when things are going well, but punch us in the mouth and we cower.

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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The first round pick for the Vikings could very well be Oklahoma lineman Cody Ford. Ford said he will not go back to Oklahoma to play his senior season and will enter the draft. That’s good news for Minnesota considering that’s one more player that can help on the line.

The reason I said ‘lineman’ is because Ford has the ability to play both guard and tackle. He played left guard during his 2016 and 2017 season. He then moved over and played right tackle in 2018. Ford did break his leg early in his 2016 season, and had a banged up year in 2017.

Just based on his ability to play multiple positions on the line is beneficial for the Vikings, simply on how the line has the reputation to be banged up at times.

The only downside to him declaring for the draft during his junior year is scouts, teams and fans only have seen Ford play one whole healthy season. But, if you were to ask someone like Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari if that was the right move, he’d probably say yeah, just because of the stellar year and attention Ford received during his junior year at OU.

The six-foot-four-inch, 338 pound Pineville, Louisiana native earned himself a spot on the All-Big 12 team this past season. He was also apart of the offensive line at Oklahoma that won the Joe Moore Award for having the best O-line in college football.

Charlie Campbell, senior draft analyst with WalterFootball.com has Ford as the number one ranked guard in the upcoming draft class. That’s pretty interesting considering his one healthy year he’s played at right tackle, not guard. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. has him ranked third.

Again, just to wrap things up, I think he would be a good fit considering he can play both the guard and the tackle position. I’d rather take someone who can be versatile, as opposed to someone who will be stationary at one position.

Oh, and based off this lil’ clip, he’s not afraid to be physical by any means. If you’re a big follower of college or Sooner football, let me know you’re thoughts of him down in the comments...daily norseman

I don't know about Ford. He looks a little too heavy and slow for a cornerback. But, Zim likes tall corners, so it's a possibility...

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

You think it is the coach that wins in the playoffs? Coaches get you to the playoffs and then you need the players to perform.....as good as Belichek is getting Home Field advantage, it is Brady that brings it home. Spielman and Zimmer thought they had the talent to win it all when they should have seen that they overachieved. You can't overachieve every year.

Zimmer's job next year is to get Home Field Advantage by adding a few pieces such as putting an oline together and adding a 3rd WR and fast TE that can help Cousins bring it home.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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The first round pick for the Vikings could very well be Oklahoma lineman Cody Ford. Ford said he will not go back to Oklahoma to play his senior season and will enter the draft. That’s good news for Minnesota considering that’s one more player that can help on the line.

The reason I said ‘lineman’ is because Ford has the ability to play both guard and tackle. He played left guard during his 2016 and 2017 season. He then moved over and played right tackle in 2018. Ford did break his leg early in his 2016 season, and had a banged up year in 2017.

Just based on his ability to play multiple positions on the line is beneficial for the Vikings, simply on how the line has the reputation to be banged up at times.

The only downside to him declaring for the draft during his junior year is scouts, teams and fans only have seen Ford play one whole healthy season. But, if you were to ask someone like Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari if that was the right move, he’d probably say yeah, just because of the stellar year and attention Ford received during his junior year at OU.

The six-foot-four-inch, 338 pound Pineville, Louisiana native earned himself a spot on the All-Big 12 team this past season. He was also apart of the offensive line at Oklahoma that won the Joe Moore Award for having the best O-line in college football.

Charlie Campbell, senior draft analyst with WalterFootball.com has Ford as the number one ranked guard in the upcoming draft class. That’s pretty interesting considering his one healthy year he’s played at right tackle, not guard. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. has him ranked third.

Again, just to wrap things up, I think he would be a good fit considering he can play both the guard and the tackle position. I’d rather take someone who can be versatile, as opposed to someone who will be stationary at one position.

Oh, and based off this lil’ clip, he’s not afraid to be physical by any means. If you’re a big follower of college or Sooner football, let me know you’re thoughts of him down in the comments...daily norseman

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

You think it is the coach that wins in the playoffs? Coaches get you to the playoffs and then you need the players to perform.....as good as Belichek is getting Home Field advantage, it is Brady that brings it home. Spielman and Zimmer thought they had the talent to win it all when they should have seen that they overachieved. You can't overachieve every year.

Zimmer's job next year is to get Home Field Advantage by adding a few pieces such as putting an oline together and adding a 3rd WR and fast TE that can help Cousins bring it home.

No – the HC and GM are ultimately responsible for the state of the team and overall record, and for continued bad execution by players since they control who's in and out of the game and how prepared they are. (see Treadwell)

I don't object to having a down year. Having an abysmal year every other year sucks.