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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/18/2019 8:54:02 PM

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Interesting that Robbie Gould is hitting on 65% of his field goal attempts; Daniel Carlson is at 77%; Bailey is at 88%. Worked out OK after all (so far).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/18/2019 10:16:41 PM

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Teddy is happy!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1196605946845372422

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/18/2019 10:19:32 PM

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Kirk Cousins' performance this year:
2nd in TD passes - 21
2nd in rating - 114.8
3rd in Yd/att - 8.6
3rd in TD% - 6.6
3rd in completion % - 70.6
4th in Int % - 0.9
5th in yds - 2,756
7th in yds/comp - 12.2
8th in completions - 226

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/18/2019 10:31:07 PM

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One thing that I am not happy with Cousins about. I remember he threw a two yard pass to our fullback a week or two ago on a "free play".

https://twitter.com/eric_j_thompson/status/1196508149945159681?s=20

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/18/2019 11:54:05 PM

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Rhodes can't play like he used to because he has a target on his back. He was always a physical player who grabbed a lot. The PI against him in the first half, the ball was 3 yds out of bounds. Apparently he can't adjust or won't. Time to cut bait. One of the plays that irked me was, the first Bronco drive. How do you leave a tight end uncovered and allow him to run 30 yds down field untouched? That kind of stuff is embarrassing.

Both teams did it. I would say Denver's was more egregious.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/18/2019 11:57:40 PM

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Top 5 PFF grades for the #Vikings defense on Sunday (min 15 snaps):
1. Kearse 83.4
2. Hunter 772.
3. Weatherly 75.2
4. Waynes 73.6
5. Sendejo 73.3

Bottom 3
3. Rhodes 47.9
2. Watts 47.7
1. Barr 37.5

Top 5 PFF grades for the #Vikings offense Sunday (min 15 snaps):
1. Cousins 83.5
2. Diggs 77.0
3. Rudolph 65.5
4. O'Neill 64.9
5. Johnson 64.6

Bottom 3
3. Reiff 54.6
2. Elflein 49.9
1. Bradbury 46.6

(Eric Thompson on Twitter)

Pretty well aligns what was being posted during the GDT.

Barr seemed uninterested. He is easily our biggest Jekyll & Hyde player. Is either lights out or I want Wilson to replace him.

Speaking of which, after the Gideon got torched, I saw a lot more Wilson. Which was great. Except for the punt Encroachment penalty.

He went and totally redeemed himself with the fumble recovery late ….

Up to that point, maahaan, he was one pathetic loser. No offense meant.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 1:15:29 AM

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Cousins said Sunday the Vikings were “drawing stuff up on a whiteboard for the first time this year” in hopes of fueling a comeback.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 8:28:45 AM

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PFF loves Jayron Kearse. Gives him an 89.9 rating.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 8:44:46 AM

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Cousins said Sunday the Vikings were “drawing stuff up on a whiteboard for the first time this year” in hopes of fueling a comeback.

It was a nice job by Stefanski and co. The issue was that they knew they would be running a lot of 2 minute offense plays for an entire half and that is a small subset of plays. They were running the same plays, but disguising the formations, so the Broncos wouldn't be able to sniff them out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 9:08:39 AM

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PFF loves Jayron Kearse. Gives him an 89.9 rating.

Deserving IMO. Zim needs to get him on the field way more. Haven't seen much of the big nickel this year.

Kearse really gives TE's fits.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 9:10:10 AM

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Cousins said Sunday the Vikings were “drawing stuff up on a whiteboard for the first time this year” in hopes of fueling a comeback.

It was a nice job by Stefanski and co. The issue was that they knew they would be running a lot of 2 minute offense plays for an entire half and that is a small subset of plays. They were running the same plays, but disguising the formations, so the Broncos wouldn't be able to sniff them out.

Coming out in the hurry up in the 3rd qtr is something we've rarely seen our team do.

Like it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 9:40:39 AM

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Ragnarok called it; gave Stefanski credit for the second half. Which was spot on.

I'm glad Stefanski is a creative guy! Let him run the offense how he sees fit!

Denver knew what we were, a running team leaning on Cook, as well they knew the schemes and ideology of Kubiak... We came out with Zimmer having tablet in hand, sticking his nose into offensive playcalling and working hard off an sheet prepared with Zim and Kub philosophy...

It was evident, as evident as how we started the season and self proclaimed "that 70s's Offense" our HC is sure will win games while coupled with his vaunted D...

Well guess what... BOTH FAILED

Step pulled out a whiteboard and a breath of fresh air overtook the offense with what a entire first half could not do... We were countering their punches, using fresh new schemes and calling plays that the D didnt see coming... It won the game, along with Kirk and our offense executing. Why? because even us as fans could call the plays that would be run next in first half... second half was different...

Will we see more of this? With our HC, doubt it... And the HC's D remains truly troubling BTW!

Denver had 2 weeks to prepare and Fangio has ate our lunch the last couple years.

The whole coaching staff made adjustments at halftime and we outscored them 27-3.

If you want to believe that Stephanski was making up plays, go for it. The Rudy TD was a play we have run many times. Dalvin screen many times before.

The RPO(or really good play action) where we went deep to Diggs might have been drawn up on the fly.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 10:14:43 AM

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i think the 9ers are over-rated

but it sure would be nice if they could win Sunday night

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 10:31:12 AM

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Ragnarok called it; gave Stefanski credit for the second half. Which was spot on.

I'm glad Stefanski is a creative guy! Let him run the offense how he sees fit!

Denver knew what we were, a running team leaning on Cook, as well they knew the schemes and ideology of Kubiak... We came out with Zimmer having tablet in hand, sticking his nose into offensive playcalling and working hard off an sheet prepared with Zim and Kub philosophy...

It was evident, as evident as how we started the season and self proclaimed "that 70s's Offense" our HC is sure will win games while coupled with his vaunted D...

Well guess what... BOTH FAILED

Step pulled out a whiteboard and a breath of fresh air overtook the offense with what a entire first half could not do... We were countering their punches, using fresh new schemes and calling plays that the D didnt see coming... It won the game, along with Kirk and our offense executing. Why? because even us as fans could call the plays that would be run next in first half... second half was different...

Will we see more of this? With our HC, doubt it... And the HC's D remains truly troubling BTW!

Denver had 2 weeks to prepare and Fangio has ate our lunch the last couple years.

The whole coaching staff made adjustments at halftime and we outscored them 27-3.

If you want to believe that Stephanski was making up plays, go for it. The Rudy TD was a play we have run many times. Dalvin screen many times before.

The RPO(or really good play action) where we went deep to Diggs might have been drawn up on the fly.

I stand corrected

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 11:01:06 AM

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PFF loves Jayron Kearse. Gives him an 89.9 rating.

Deserving IMO. Zim needs to get him on the field way more. Haven't seen much of the big nickel this year.

Kearse really gives TE's fits.

Especially considering how often we have Mac or a LBer chasing a TE.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 11:15:58 AM

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PFF loves Jayron Kearse. Gives him an 89.9 rating.

Deserving IMO. Zim needs to get him on the field way more. Haven't seen much of the big nickel this year.

Kearse really gives TE's fits.

Especially considering how often we have Mac or a LBer chasing a TE.

I'd have him on the field much more often than the 3rd LB (Gedeon or Wilson).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 11:18:56 AM

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PFF loves Jayron Kearse. Gives him an 89.9 rating.

Deserving IMO. Zim needs to get him on the field way more. Haven't seen much of the big nickel this year.

Kearse really gives TE's fits.

Especially considering how often we have Mac or a LBer chasing a TE.

I'd have him on the field much more often than the 3rd LB (Gedeon or Wilson).

Absolutely. Kearse fits seamlessly into so many roles on that defense. He should be out there for the majority of the defensive snaps.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 11:53:22 AM

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One thing that I am not happy with Cousins about. I remember he threw a two yard pass to our fullback a week or two ago on a "free play".

https://twitter.com/eric_j_thompson/status/1196508149945159681?s=20

This is one spot where the great QBs never fail. If someone jumps early, Rodgers always takes a shot deep. Never fails. Worst case they intercept and the play is nullified. Best case is a catch for TD or PI.

Cousins needs to recognize that and take the shot no matter how well covered his guy is...perfect time to force one in there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 12:23:05 PM

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One thing that I am not happy with Cousins about. I remember he threw a two yard pass to our fullback a week or two ago on a "free play".

https://twitter.com/eric_j_thompson/status/1196508149945159681?s=20

This is one spot where the great QBs never fail. If someone jumps early, Rodgers always takes a shot deep. Never fails. Worst case they intercept and the play is nullified. Best case is a catch for TD or PI.

Cousins needs to recognize that and take the shot no matter how well covered his guy is...perfect time to force one in there.

Probably the only reason I haven't nominated Cousins for the HOF this week.
Not sure I've ever been madder at a QB (for that play you mentioned)
Makes you look very very frightened/dumb/unaware when you throw a 2 yard dump off in that situation.
Had some people at the game, they said Diggs was LIVID that they didn't take a shot.
I'm hoping Kirk simply had a moment of spacing out and was unaware, because if he knew, and still settled for that, I'll be very disappointed.
In another "then you go and totally redeem yourself" moment, he certainly made us forget about that one play. But agree … at the time it was a brutal "WTF???" moment.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 1:07:45 PM

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One thing that I am not happy with Cousins about. I remember he threw a two yard pass to our fullback a week or two ago on a "free play".

https://twitter.com/eric_j_thompson/status/1196508149945159681?s=20

This is one spot where the great QBs never fail. If someone jumps early, Rodgers always takes a shot deep. Never fails. Worst case they intercept and the play is nullified. Best case is a catch for TD or PI.

Cousins needs to recognize that and take the shot no matter how well covered his guy is...perfect time to force one in there.

Probably the only reason I haven't nominated Cousins for the HOF this week.
Not sure I've ever been madder at a QB (for that play you mentioned)
Makes you look very very frightened/dumb/unaware when you throw a 2 yard dump off in that situation.
Had some people at the game, they said Diggs was LIVID that they didn't take a shot.
I'm hoping Kirk simply had a moment of spacing out and was unaware, because if he knew, and still settled for that, I'll be very disappointed.
In another "then you go and totally redeem yourself" moment, he certainly made us forget about that one play. But agree … at the time it was a brutal "WTF???" moment.

Just my guess...

But I think it's
- 50 percent coaching (we've seen other QBs get way to conservative... and the guys who take chances like Case... get Zimmers zingers)
- 50 percent Kirks natural tendency to protect the ball... Kirk plays to limit turnovers and he has been really good at it lately.
He doesn't throw many "give em a chance" balls... either the WR is open or he doesn't throw it.

Yes, I know it's a "FREE PLAY".
But I think his natural instincts take over and he plays it basically the same as any other play.
Which is... check down if nothing open deep.

Frustrating as a fan... would love for him to work on it... but wouldn't expect much change this season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 1:36:54 PM

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Good stuff beo.
I can also see the point of "our luck" …. where we assume it's offsides on the D, and oh geeee, its not.
With the officiating level at "ridiculous" lately, I guess I can totally understand the hesitation.
If you're Rogers, and you're family, then by all means, you know they'll bail you out, even if it's wrong.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 1:38:35 PM

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Good stuff beo.
I can also see the point of "our luck" …. where we assume it's offsides on the D, and oh geeee, its not.
With the officiating level at "ridiculous" lately, I guess I can totally understand the hesitation.
If you're Rogers, and you're family, then by all means, you know they'll bail you out, even if it's wrong.

HA! That's an even better point...

Rodgers figures his outcomes are:
- offsides defense
- PI defense
- roughing the passer defense

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 2:34:35 PM

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Good stuff beo.
I can also see the point of "our luck" …. where we assume it's offsides on the D, and oh geeee, its not.
With the officiating level at "ridiculous" lately, I guess I can totally understand the hesitation.
If you're Rogers, and you're family, then by all means, you know they'll bail you out, even if it's wrong.

HA! That's an even better point...

Rodgers figures his outcomes are:
- offsides defense
- PI defense
- roughing the passer defense

And yet … he said the other day the refs still owe him a couple.

God help us all, if the favoritism actually gets worse.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 2:42:44 PM

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One thing that I am not happy with Cousins about. I remember he threw a two yard pass to our fullback a week or two ago on a "free play".

https://twitter.com/eric_j_thompson/status/1196508149945159681?s=20

This is one spot where the great QBs never fail. If someone jumps early, Rodgers always takes a shot deep. Never fails. Worst case they intercept and the play is nullified. Best case is a catch for TD or PI.

Cousins needs to recognize that and take the shot no matter how well covered his guy is...perfect time to force one in there.

It could be PI call, as well. A two yard pass when we get five yards anyway just doesn't make any sense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2019 2:47:14 PM

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Eric Kendricks restructured his contract in May to provide cap relief for the #Vikings.

He’s now tied for 2nd among ALL NFL defenders with 12 PBU’s.

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