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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Upon further review Cousins is not innocent last night

That last drive had some awful throws

Since all evaluations can’t be made in a vacuum. You paid 75 mil for the guy to win big games

Just because he’s not Rhodes level hot garbage bad doesn’t mean it was a good decision to sign him

Cousins, Barr and Rhodes. A lot of tied up questionable money

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Upon further review Cousins is not innocent last night

That last drive had some awful throws

Since all evaluations can’t be made in a vacuum. You paid 75 mil for the guy to win big games

Just because he’s not Rhodes level hot garbage bad doesn’t mean it was a good decision to sign him

Cousins, Barr and Rhodes. A lot of tied up questionable money

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Upon further review Cousins is not innocent last night

That last drive had some awful throws

Since all evaluations can’t be made in a vacuum. You paid 75 mil for the guy to win big games

Just because he’s not Rhodes level hot garbage bad doesn’t mean it was a good decision to sign him

Cousins, Barr and Rhodes. A lot of tied up questionable money

I would add Harrison Smith. If your corners are no good it’s obvious a safety isn’t worth paying for.

Vikings will need to score at least 40 to win any playoff game.

Zimmer can’t coach up a bad defense which makes him worthless.

I would think blitzing ever single play would be a good strategy given how bad the secondary is.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Upon further review Cousins is not innocent last night

That last drive had some awful throws

Since all evaluations can’t be made in a vacuum. You paid 75 mil for the guy to win big games

Just because he’s not Rhodes level hot garbage bad doesn’t mean it was a good decision to sign him

Cousins, Barr and Rhodes. A lot of tied up questionable money

While I agree that the last drive ended in a thud, the list of 3 at the end there definitely seems like a game of one of these things is not like the others vis a vi this season.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Upon further review Cousins is not innocent last night

That last drive had some awful throws

Since all evaluations can’t be made in a vacuum. You paid 75 mil for the guy to win big games

Just because he’s not Rhodes level hot garbage bad doesn’t mean it was a good decision to sign him

Cousins, Barr and Rhodes. A lot of tied up questionable money

I would add Harrison Smith. If your corners are no good it’s obvious a safety isn’t worth paying for.

Vikings will need to score at least 40 to win any playoff game.

Zimmer can’t coach up a bad defense which makes him worthless.

I would think blitzing ever single play would be a good strategy given how bad the secondary is.

When your top 2 corners average giving up about a 76% completion rate you have a severe problem. No amount of hope is fixing this.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Upon further review Cousins is not innocent last night

That last drive had some awful throws

Since all evaluations can’t be made in a vacuum. You paid 75 mil for the guy to win big games

Just because he’s not Rhodes level hot garbage bad doesn’t mean it was a good decision to sign him

Cousins, Barr and Rhodes. A lot of tied up questionable money

I would add Harrison Smith. If your corners are no good it’s obvious a safety isn’t worth paying for.

Vikings will need to score at least 40 to win any playoff game.

Zimmer can’t coach up a bad defense which makes him worthless.

I would think blitzing ever single play would be a good strategy given how bad the secondary is.

When your top 2 corners average giving up about a 76% completion rate you have a severe problem. No amount of hope is fixing this.

Agreed and no one in the media has the stones to ask him what has happened to his defense
Suppose to be his thing
Maybe the game is passing him by?
When does Barr ever make an impact play?

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Upon further review Cousins is not innocent last night

That last drive had some awful throws

Since all evaluations can’t be made in a vacuum. You paid 75 mil for the guy to win big games

Just because he’s not Rhodes level hot garbage bad doesn’t mean it was a good decision to sign him

Cousins, Barr and Rhodes. A lot of tied up questionable money

I would add Harrison Smith. If your corners are no good it’s obvious a safety isn’t worth paying for.

Vikings will need to score at least 40 to win any playoff game.

Zimmer can’t coach up a bad defense which makes him worthless.

I would think blitzing ever single play would be a good strategy given how bad the secondary is.

When your top 2 corners average giving up about a 76% completion rate you have a severe problem. No amount of hope is fixing this.

Agreed and no one in the media has the stones to ask him what has happened to his defense
Suppose to be his thing
Maybe the game is passing him by?
When does Barr ever make an impact play?

Barr is the new Greg Lewis. Makes a play once a month.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

The one thing we thought we were getting with Zimmer was an elite D. They ha e been anything but that. They have gotten worse over the years

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

This isn't Zimmer's coaching style....the problem is he still trusts Rhodes. Just before the fake punt Rhodes was benched and the defense held and in fact Wilson had no one to throw to on 3rd down.

If you pay a shutdown corner and he can stop anyone look what happens.....look at the Ravens defense once they traded for Peters and Jimmy Smith came back from injury. The talent is there at other spots---Zimmer has to bench Rhodes. Mac, Hughes, and Waynes can do the job...I would have Hill out there over Rhodes also. Rhodes is our 5th best cover corner right now.

The Saints game is also when Thomas was able to anything he wanted against Rhodes.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

This isn't Zimmer's coaching style....the problem is he still trusts Rhodes. Just before the fake punt Rhodes was benched and the defense held and in fact Wilson had no one to throw to on 3rd down.

If you pay a shutdown corner and he can stop anyone look what happens.....look at the Ravens defense once they traded for Peters and Jimmy Smith came back from injury. The talent is there at other spots---Zimmer has to bench Rhodes. Mac, Hughes, and Waynes can do the job...I would have Hill out there over Rhodes also. Rhodes is our 5th best cover corner right now.

The Saints game is also when Thomas was able to anything he wanted against Rhodes.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

But when they dominate Det this weekend we can all say the D is back!

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

This isn't Zimmer's coaching style....the problem is he still trusts Rhodes. Just before the fake punt Rhodes was benched and the defense held and in fact Wilson had no one to throw to on 3rd down.

If you pay a shutdown corner and he can stop anyone look what happens.....look at the Ravens defense once they traded for Peters and Jimmy Smith came back from injury. The talent is there at other spots---Zimmer has to bench Rhodes. Mac, Hughes, and Waynes can do the job...I would have Hill out there over Rhodes also. Rhodes is our 5th best cover corner right now.

The Saints game is also when Thomas was able to anything he wanted against Rhodes.

I’m tired of hearing about talent

When are they going to produce?

Who is talented? Career days to Brendan Allen, Matt Moore, Chase Daniels, etc
I think we are confusing talent with high daft picks. Looks like a lot of busts to me

I see a bunch of slow plodders

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

This isn't Zimmer's coaching style....the problem is he still trusts Rhodes. Just before the fake punt Rhodes was benched and the defense held and in fact Wilson had no one to throw to on 3rd down.

If you pay a shutdown corner and he can stop anyone look what happens.....look at the Ravens defense once they traded for Peters and Jimmy Smith came back from injury. The talent is there at other spots---Zimmer has to bench Rhodes. Mac, Hughes, and Waynes can do the job...I would have Hill out there over Rhodes also. Rhodes is our 5th best cover corner right now.

The Saints game is also when Thomas was able to anything he wanted against Rhodes.

I’m tired of hearing about talent

When are they going to produce?

Who is talented? Career days to Brendan Allen, Matt Moore, Chase Daniels, etc
I think we are confusing talent with high daft picks. Looks like a lot of busts to me

I see a bunch of slow plodders

Actually most of our talent is now on offense...pretty much everyone but Hunter, Kendricks, and Barr is fading on Defense. I do like our new DT (Watts) but he is being thrown into the fire due to non performance and Joseph's injury.

Odin and Watts showed me more in last nights game then the starting DTs. They have to develop the young guys because the old guys aren't getting it done. Harris and Smith are still great safeties, Griffen and Hunter are still great, our weakness is at Corner (as long as Rhodes is playing) and DT.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

its probably not unrelated that Rhodes decline started when they tightened up illegal contact
Once he was not allowed to hold WRs that took away his one advantage
Speed was always his weakness
He looks really slow out there. Prolly has lost a half step. There was a draft argument whether he was a CB or S in the NFL. Combined with lack of elite pass rush allows him to get abused all over the field
Even the fumble he gave up a 3rd down conversion when coverage should have been tight

Zimmer can't adapt at all to the changing game. I'll be honest I'm not adapting well either. Dana was right on. The product becomes more unwatchable by the day. Teams are going to need coaches with lots of fresh ideas as the rules get dumber and dumber. Zimmer is not that guy.

The one thing we thought we were getting with Zimmer was an elite D. They ha e been anything but that. They have gotten worse over the years

I agree. The defense has been weak since the Saints exposed Rhodes badly in the second half of the playoff game. Considering we have the most money tied up into that side of the ball I think people have every right to be outraged by the obvious diminishing returns.

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02 cents:

1. Predictable loss. Didn’t know exactly how it was going to happen but, as a Viking fan, you just knew it was. We don’t win these games. It’s either fumbles or stupid penalties, or INT’s or bad play calling or horrible, inept play. It just happens every time and it’s so frustrating.

2. I have always been a huge Zimmer supporter but when you have 2 weeks to prepare and your defense plays like that, you have to get the blame. You are the defensive “genius” and your new plan was to play deep cover 2 most of the game?!? Even when they had 6 offensive linemen in most of the game?!?

3. Run defense has been bad all season....except against Dallas when Linval was out. Seems like teams are always 2nd and 4 or 2nd and 2. I liked Wilson in for Gedeon but he made some glaring mistakes last night in the run game.

4. It’s pretty clear that Rhodes won’t be here next year with that contract. Why not start giving Hughes and Hill a shot. They can’t play any worse.

5. CJ Ham.....what are you doing?!? You’re not gonna run it all the way back. Your job there was to get some yards and HOLD ON TO THE BALL! It would have taken a miracle to win but would have been nice to have a chance.

6. What is it with Bailey and extra points?

7. On our last drive, I would have liked to see a draw play to Mattison on either 3rd & 3 or 4th & 3. We ran a nice one on the previous TD drive. Don’t like the last 2 play calls in that sequence.

8. Why is is that we fall for fake punts every time? In certain situations you need to watch for a fake. That was one of them. It seems like we are always out coached and outsmarted.

9. As I said, Rhodes will be gone next season. With that being said, I’d bring back Waynes on a reasonable deal. If he wants #1 CB money then “see you later”. We really can’t afford to let him go with Hill one strike away from a season long ban. I’m guessing Linval might be on the chopping block too. This defense needs to be retooled. We need a guy that can make a push up the middle. We get no pass pressure from there and are getting gashed with runs up the gut. We are okay on runs that go wide....but up the middle we stink.

10. Good comeback by Kirk but he was helped by a great sideline catch by Kyle, a 30yd DPI for Diggs (I think the only flag thrown on SEA all night) and a broken coverage for Treadwell. Don’t want to take anything away from him because I thought he played okay but the final score could have been a lot worse.

11. Can I hear Russell Wilson say nothing on mic’ed up again?

12. We need to somehow win the division, meaning that we need to run the table and have GB slip against someone. I’m not confident we can do that with our defense playing the way it is.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02 cents:

1. Predictable loss. Didn’t know exactly how it was going to happen but, as a Viking fan, you just knew it was. We don’t win these games. It’s either fumbles or stupid penalties, or INT’s or bad play calling or horrible, inept play. It just happens every time and it’s so frustrating.

2. I have always been a huge Zimmer supporter but when you have 2 weeks to prepare and your defense plays like that, you have to get the blame. You are the defensive “genius” and your new plan was to play deep cover 2 most of the game?!? Even when they had 6 offensive linemen in most of the game?!?

3. Run defense has been bad all season....except against Dallas when Linval was out. Seems like teams are always 2nd and 4 or 2nd and 2. I liked Wilson in for Gedeon but he made some glaring mistakes last night in the run game.

4. It’s pretty clear that Rhodes won’t be here next year with that contract. Why not start giving Hughes and Hill a shot. They can’t play any worse.

5. CJ Ham.....what are you doing?!? You’re not gonna run it all the way back. Your job there was to get some yards and HOLD ON TO THE BALL! It would have taken a miracle to win but would have been nice to have a chance.

6. What is it with Bailey and extra points?

7. On our last drive, I would have liked to see a draw play to Mattison on either 3rd & 3 or 4th & 3. We ran a nice one on the previous TD drive. Don’t like the last 2 play calls in that sequence.

8. Why is is that we fall for fake punts every time? In certain situations you need to watch for a fake. That was one of them. It seems like we are always out coached and outsmarted.

9. As I said, Rhodes will be gone next season. With that being said, I’d bring back Waynes on a reasonable deal. If he wants #1 CB money then “see you later”. We really can’t afford to let him go with Hill one strike away from a season long ban. I’m guessing Linval might be on the chopping block too. This defense needs to be retooled. We need a guy that can make a push up the middle. We get no pass pressure from there and are getting gashed with runs up the gut. We are okay on runs that go wide....but up the middle we stink.

10. Good comeback by Kirk but he was helped by a great sideline catch by Kyle, a 30yd DPI for Diggs (I think the only flag thrown on SEA all night) and a broken coverage for Treadwell. Don’t want to take anything away from him because I thought he played okay but the final score could have been a lot worse.

11. Can I hear Russell Wilson say nothing on mic’ed up again?

12. We need to somehow win the division, meaning that we need to run the table and have GB slip against someone. I’m not confident we can do that with our defense playing the way it is.

Excellent summary.

Totally agree on R. Wilson! That repetitive rah-rah shit was sooooooo annoying. I would be like dude STFU!!

What was up with the non-call on the false start on the SEA punt? And one time they had a guy just wander off the field after they broke the huddle and ran a play. Isn't that 12 men in the huddle??

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ORIGINAL: Pager

That was another frustrating loss.

CLink and their fans - wow. Beautiful stadium and the fans bring it on every play. Every single play the decibels have to be well over a 100. Impressive, tough, hostile environment.

Good post Ush.

Drove me nuts to see two deep safeties when SEA had their 6th lineman in. I hate bleeding a slow death and they gnashed us with the run. Run blitz. Put 8 in the box.

Why do we play zone at all? We are terrible in zone it seems.

First priority is DT. I have hope JJ and Watts can handle NT but we need a force at the 3T desperately.


I hated our play calling on offense at times last night. We had 3 minutes on that final drive. They were giving us the middle. Wagners was 8 yards off the LOS and dropping fast. 3rd and 3 - knowing it was four down territory? Stupid not to run it.

WR screen to Bisi? Ruddy running a deep route? I hope those get wiped from the play book.

Actually incredibly impressed with Cousins. The drop off after Diggs is huge (even with Diggs not showing last night). He stood tall in the pocket. With zero run game - he again gave us a chance to win.

We miss Thielan.

We lost because of our run defense.