quote:

ORIGINAL: hagar

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

2017 Team was an abberation fueled by good luck and great bounces, the team fed from within with chemistry and self coached exuberance making crazy impromptu plays on strength of scrambling QB with a lucky horse shoe in his pocket...

In spite of Zimmer and his opinions the team rallied from within around themselves to outpreform everyones expectations and almost make it to the big dance...

There in encapsulates Zimmer as a HC and belies his abilities to lead. Some liken it to getting us "over the hump" but truth is Zimmer lead teams dont posess something tangable to beat those better teams on a regular basis. Its not an abberation, its real...

Who knows what the talent on this team could do with differing leadership, Our closest hint would be the 2017 team when Shurm and Case went on their own journey and the entire team rode the high of a new stadium and great team chemistry and open social media, players openly having fun... all to Mike Zimmers total disdain which he called out on a regular basis and then totally clamped down on the following season in his staunch control freak sort of head coaching ways...

Basically any win Zimmer has got is in spite of him. Coordinators went rogue so we had a chance.

Exactly, sort of like Stef rally win against the Broncs with a white board, or a couple wins going in his own direction for Flip before Zimms head exploded and he fired him... Just like Case going off the play sheet and causing Zimmer to lament wins... Guy is a control freak... AND in biggest games, when it matters MOST Zimmer pluts his total authorian stamp on the game... Then we play Zimmer ball... like how we began the season, and how we played the NFCCG and how we always play a big game in prime time, or against a winning opponent or top opponemts in division... Zimmer ball is a real thing, he admits it and what he expects from his team he leads with this philosophy...

Does it win games, yes against lesser opponents with coaches who play checkers, but when its a chess match, I dont think we can count on the mind of Mike Zimmer...

Sorry, its facts based on data of records he himself compiled... disputable?

DeFlip got fired because he liked 7 step drops with a sieve for a OLine.

DeFlip was the Jacksonville O-Coordinator this year. How did Zimmer sabotage that debacle?

This is where debates go sideways... I never said Flip was all that, only stated that he had far different visions for running an O than Zimmer and it was cause for his demise... Flip was never given a fair chance, sort of like that cluster F that we had with the Norv/ Shurm drama we all forget about and honestly thought we might see that some this year with the Kubiak Maffia and Step, but Step knows his boss and is a good yes man...

How Flip would have done things if allowed his total own way to run an O in MN will never be known... what he did with differing results elsewhere is irrelevent, Same goes for Case Keenum and his magic year, you cannot weigh seasons and systems against one another... BTW I was on record saying from start that hiring Flip and then going after Cousins was a huge mistake, Kirk did not fit Flips system, Case honestly would have much better, but we will never know now and honestly with Zimmer it likely would have all flames out anyways...

It really takes multiple elements within a team to gell along with talent all on same page and buying in. Great coaching is a big part but only one element. Teams that find success on a regular basis do have coaches who understand how to blend these elements with their own philosophy as well as totally trust in their subordants and not micro manage units but let theose coordinators work their magic and not derail or meddle with the results to a negative impact that Zimmer has in ways that were determental to the team chemistry and results...

You recently complained about Zimmer not getting with the different units coaches
to help them and now you're bitching that Zimmer micro-manages. Make up your
mind. Or do you just like to bitch and moan? Nevermind, I know the answer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

So we're the early game on Sunday.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

So we're the early game on Sunday.

Not all bad. Saints are good, but... It's inside, on turf, and not a prime time game, so we've got a few things going for us. It's a difficult, but not impossible path to the SB for us, if we play like we're capable.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The comment on the Niner game was "how do you manage to get a fullback to do that kind of pass route" and I thought of Blasingame. I wish that we found a way to keep and use him.

I was hoping Carroll could pull out a victory from defeat like he has in the past.

Wanting to play SEA instead of NO looks like a no brainer.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This should be kept in mind whenever considering keeping of firing Zimmer. Remember that this is happening at a time when the NFL is a "passing league".

Best Viking Team Defenses in last 25 years (points per game):

1. 2017 (15.8 ppg allowed)
2. 1998 (18.5 ppg allowed)
3. 2019 (18.8 ppg allowed)
4. 2015 (18.9 ppg allowed)
5. 2016 (19.1 ppg allowed)

#SKOL. (Dustin Baker on Twitter)

quote:

ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The comment on the Niner game was "how do you manage to get a fullback to do that kind of pass route" and I thought of Blasingame. I wish that we found a way to keep and use him.

I was hoping Carroll could pull out a victory from defeat like he has in the past.

Wanting to play SEA instead of NO looks like a no brainer.

Fellow Blasingame fan... wanted him to stick.

Ham has been good this year, no doubt about it.
But we've tried to make him a part of the offense beyond blocking and his is limited in what he can do there.

Ham is the known option... the conservative option.
Blasingame was the gamble... never had a chance with this coaching staff.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Wow, lines are out and the Vikings are far and away the biggest underdog of the weekend

New Orleans is superior at every position. This seems almost unfair.

No one in their right mind will be picking the Vikings.

Best chance if for New Orleans to pull a New England vs Miami.

For that though, we would need Cousins to have some Fitzmagic.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

2017 Team was an abberation fueled by good luck and great bounces, the team fed from within with chemistry and self coached exuberance making crazy impromptu plays on strength of scrambling QB with a lucky horse shoe in his pocket...

In spite of Zimmer and his opinions the team rallied from within around themselves to outpreform everyones expectations and almost make it to the big dance...

There in encapsulates Zimmer as a HC and belies his abilities to lead. Some liken it to getting us "over the hump" but truth is Zimmer lead teams dont posess something tangable to beat those better teams on a regular basis. Its not an abberation, its real...

Who knows what the talent on this team could do with differing leadership, Our closest hint would be the 2017 team when Shurm and Case went on their own journey and the entire team rode the high of a new stadium and great team chemistry and open social media, players openly having fun... all to Mike Zimmers total disdain which he called out on a regular basis and then totally clamped down on the following season in his staunch control freak sort of head coaching ways...

Basically any win Zimmer has got is in spite of him. Coordinators went rogue so we had a chance.

Exactly, sort of like Stef rally win against the Broncs with a white board, or a couple wins going in his own direction for Flip before Zimms head exploded and he fired him... Just like Case going off the play sheet and causing Zimmer to lament wins... Guy is a control freak... AND in biggest games, when it matters MOST Zimmer pluts his total authorian stamp on the game... Then we play Zimmer ball... like how we began the season, and how we played the NFCCG and how we always play a big game in prime time, or against a winning opponent or top opponemts in division... Zimmer ball is a real thing, he admits it and what he expects from his team he leads with this philosophy...

Does it win games, yes against lesser opponents with coaches who play checkers, but when its a chess match, I dont think we can count on the mind of Mike Zimmer...

Sorry, its facts based on data of records he himself compiled... disputable?

DeFlip got fired because he liked 7 step drops with a sieve for a OLine.

DeFlip was the Jacksonville O-Coordinator this year. How did Zimmer sabotage that debacle?

This is where debates go sideways... I never said Flip was all that, only stated that he had far different visions for running an O than Zimmer and it was cause for his demise... Flip was never given a fair chance, sort of like that cluster F that we had with the Norv/ Shurm drama we all forget about and honestly thought we might see that some this year with the Kubiak Maffia and Step, but Step knows his boss and is a good yes man...

How Flip would have done things if allowed his total own way to run an O in MN will never be known... what he did with differing results elsewhere is irrelevent, Same goes for Case Keenum and his magic year, you cannot weigh seasons and systems against one another...

It really takes multiple elements within a team to gell along with talent all on same page and buying in. Great coaching is a big part but only one element. Teams that find success on a regular basis do have coaches who understand how to blend these elements with their own philosophy as well as totally trust in their subordants and not micro manage units but let theose coordinators work their magic and not derail or meddle with the results to a negative impact that Zimmer has in ways that were determental to the team chemistry and results...

DeFlip was given every chance.

He wanted to run the offense he had in Philly. Only bad part was Philly had better pass blockers at every position than we have.

Stefanski has come in with basically the same team and made the offense above average for the most part.

Sorry I edited/ added to my post before you posted...

BTW I was on record saying from start that hiring Flip and then going after Cousins was a huge mistake, Kirk did not fit Flips system, Case honestly would have much better, but we will never know now and honestly with Zimmer it likely would have all flames out anyways...

So yes, you are right, Flip system was a bad choice for a QB style of Cousins, but he was hired before we thought of signing Cousins. A scrambling more athletic QB was a better fit for Flip schemes.

No doubt our OL has always been a huge thorn in our foot, but some things can be done to help that, as we have better managed this year in trying to build an O scheme to better fit QB style of Cousins...

Still at the end of the day even if a L is at the feet of Step or Cousins, its really the HC who answers to all, and have you watched Zimmers pressers lately? He doesnt want to answer to anyone... He is as bad or worse than the lil general or Col Klink ever was...

quote:

ORIGINAL: hagar

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

2017 Team was an abberation fueled by good luck and great bounces, the team fed from within with chemistry and self coached exuberance making crazy impromptu plays on strength of scrambling QB with a lucky horse shoe in his pocket...

In spite of Zimmer and his opinions the team rallied from within around themselves to outpreform everyones expectations and almost make it to the big dance...

There in encapsulates Zimmer as a HC and belies his abilities to lead. Some liken it to getting us "over the hump" but truth is Zimmer lead teams dont posess something tangable to beat those better teams on a regular basis. Its not an abberation, its real...

Who knows what the talent on this team could do with differing leadership, Our closest hint would be the 2017 team when Shurm and Case went on their own journey and the entire team rode the high of a new stadium and great team chemistry and open social media, players openly having fun... all to Mike Zimmers total disdain which he called out on a regular basis and then totally clamped down on the following season in his staunch control freak sort of head coaching ways...

Basically any win Zimmer has got is in spite of him. Coordinators went rogue so we had a chance.

Exactly, sort of like Stef rally win against the Broncs with a white board, or a couple wins going in his own direction for Flip before Zimms head exploded and he fired him... Just like Case going off the play sheet and causing Zimmer to lament wins... Guy is a control freak... AND in biggest games, when it matters MOST Zimmer pluts his total authorian stamp on the game... Then we play Zimmer ball... like how we began the season, and how we played the NFCCG and how we always play a big game in prime time, or against a winning opponent or top opponemts in division... Zimmer ball is a real thing, he admits it and what he expects from his team he leads with this philosophy...

Does it win games, yes against lesser opponents with coaches who play checkers, but when its a chess match, I dont think we can count on the mind of Mike Zimmer...

Sorry, its facts based on data of records he himself compiled... disputable?

DeFlip got fired because he liked 7 step drops with a sieve for a OLine.

DeFlip was the Jacksonville O-Coordinator this year. How did Zimmer sabotage that debacle?

This is where debates go sideways... I never said Flip was all that, only stated that he had far different visions for running an O than Zimmer and it was cause for his demise... Flip was never given a fair chance, sort of like that cluster F that we had with the Norv/ Shurm drama we all forget about and honestly thought we might see that some this year with the Kubiak Maffia and Step, but Step knows his boss and is a good yes man...

How Flip would have done things if allowed his total own way to run an O in MN will never be known... what he did with differing results elsewhere is irrelevent, Same goes for Case Keenum and his magic year, you cannot weigh seasons and systems against one another... BTW I was on record saying from start that hiring Flip and then going after Cousins was a huge mistake, Kirk did not fit Flips system, Case honestly would have much better, but we will never know now and honestly with Zimmer it likely would have all flames out anyways...

It really takes multiple elements within a team to gell along with talent all on same page and buying in. Great coaching is a big part but only one element. Teams that find success on a regular basis do have coaches who understand how to blend these elements with their own philosophy as well as totally trust in their subordants and not micro manage units but let theose coordinators work their magic and not derail or meddle with the results to a negative impact that Zimmer has in ways that were determental to the team chemistry and results...

You recently complained about Zimmer not getting with the different units coaches
to help them and now you're bitching that Zimmer micro-manages. Make up your
mind. Or do you just like to bitch and moan? Nevermind, I know the answer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

On to the Big Easy

If Zim puts Rhodes one on one against Michael Thomas it could be a long afternoon

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Will Wilson and Carroll get roasted today?

1st and goal at the 1.

Clock it(which was fine) but then get a delay of game on 2nd down after that.

That would make Chilly proud.

quote:

ORIGINAL: eagleflorida

See that in 2020 schedule we play Seattle there AGAIN. I cannot believe we are playing them in Seattle for the umpteenth time in a row. Unbelievable.