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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Anyone hear if they decided on Antonio Brown yet?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

On to the Big Easy

If Zim puts Rhodes one on one against Michael Thomas it could be a long afternoon

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Will Wilson and Carroll get roasted today?

1st and goal at the 1.

Clock it(which was fine) but then get a delay of game on 2nd down after that.

That would make Chilly proud.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

In 2019 the Saints scored over 30 points in 12 games... and over 40 twice...

The Vikes DBs will be seriously challenged to slow that down, and on offense Cousins and company must be sharp with a game plan that is wide open with all out effort to score 7 on every possesion, Very agressive calls on 3rd and even possibly 4th down across the 50 ... no Zimmer ball or we get blown out here!

New Orleans is an eight-point home favorite over Minnesota, as listed by multiple sports books. That’s no surprise, as the Saints were 13-3 this season, the best record of any team playing in the wild card round, and outscored their opponents by a cumulative 117 points over the course of the season

The closest line is in the other NFC wild card game, where the Eagles opened as one-point home favorites over the Seahawks, but some books have the Seahawks as one-point favorites. That game is basically a tossup according to the betting odds.

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There is no reason for ANY Vikings fan to have ANY optimism going forward. The entire organization needs a redo starting with the Wilf Brothers who are terrible owners. Sure, they have spent money, but those entrusted to finding and maintaining talent (and paying for the right talent) have entirely failed during their entire tenure as owners.

I won't be optimistic until we can get a coach in here that understands present day football as a minimum. Zimmer is as bad as they get in the NFL.

Interestingly, there are a few other teams that stress running the ball to open up the offense.
It's not just Zimmer. Sadly it appears that some teams seem to know when we are running
and when we are passing. Are we tipping our hand or just too predictable?

I was wondering this as well while watching the niners.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

So we get to go to NO as I expected. Could get ugly in a hurry if we play like anything resembling the Packers game. I hope everyone puts on their big boy pants.

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So we're the early game on Sunday.

Not all bad. Saints are good, but... It's inside, on turf, and not a prime time game, so we've got a few things going for us. It's a difficult, but not impossible path to the SB for us, if we play like we're capable.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Looking past the playoffs... just because....

We now know we will be playing these teams in 2020

Home opponents
Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Dallas Cowboys

Away opponents
Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
New Orleans Saints
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Seattle Seahawks

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I'm a sucker for punishing myself so this weekend I want to watch the Vikings get killed sitting with Rags and CPA whilst drinking nothing but warm Verners ginger ale and eating under cooked bacon sandwiches on stale bread.

Back to the Vikes getting killed. We might lose by 30 or 40. To even have a chance we'd have to gamble heavily with blitzing and have it pay off. What I expect is an imbalance of fake blitzes vs real ones until we are to far behind. With that, and in general it seems, we leave way too much space to be exploited. 2nd stringers can do it...Brees is really good at it. The Saints won't play small ball and will aim to stack td's. It could be all time ugly.

I will take a miracle of course

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I'm a sucker for punishing myself so this weekend I want to watch the Vikings get killed sitting with Rags and CPA whilst drinking nothing but warm Verners ginger ale and eating under cooked bacon sandwiches on stale bread.

Back to the Vikes getting killed. We might lose by 30 or 40. To even have a chance we'd have to gamble heavily with blitzing and have it pay off. What I expect is an imbalance of fake blitzes vs real ones until we are to far behind. With that, and in general it seems, we leave way too much space to be exploited. 2nd stringers can do it...Brees is really good at it. The Saints won't play small ball and will aim to stack td's. It could be all time ugly.

I will take a miracle of course

At least you are going in prepared for the worst. The Vikings may surprise and make a game of it. It is critical that the Vikings get ahead and stay even through the first half. If they fall behind, it most certainly will get ugly. The Vikings are not equipped to play from behind.

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Wow, lines are out and the Vikings are far and away the biggest underdog of the weekend

New Orleans is superior at every position. This seems almost unfair.

No one in their right mind will be picking the Vikings.

Best chance if for New Orleans to pull a New England vs Miami.

For that though, we would need Cousins to have some Fitzmagic.

I'm picking the Vikings.

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See that in 2020 schedule we play Seattle there AGAIN. I cannot believe we are playing them in Seattle for the umpteenth time in a row. Unbelievable.

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2017 Team was an abberation fueled by good luck and great bounces, the team fed from within with chemistry and self coached exuberance making crazy impromptu plays on strength of scrambling QB with a lucky horse shoe in his pocket...

In spite of Zimmer and his opinions the team rallied from within around themselves to outpreform everyones expectations and almost make it to the big dance...

There in encapsulates Zimmer as a HC and belies his abilities to lead. Some liken it to getting us "over the hump" but truth is Zimmer lead teams dont posess something tangable to beat those better teams on a regular basis. Its not an abberation, its real...

Who knows what the talent on this team could do with differing leadership, Our closest hint would be the 2017 team when Shurm and Case went on their own journey and the entire team rode the high of a new stadium and great team chemistry and open social media, players openly having fun... all to Mike Zimmers total disdain which he called out on a regular basis and then totally clamped down on the following season in his staunch control freak sort of head coaching ways...

Basically any win Zimmer has got is in spite of him. Coordinators went rogue so we had a chance.

Exactly, sort of like Stef rally win against the Broncs with a white board, or a couple wins going in his own direction for Flip before Zimms head exploded and he fired him... Just like Case going off the play sheet and causing Zimmer to lament wins... Guy is a control freak... AND in biggest games, when it matters MOST Zimmer pluts his total authorian stamp on the game... Then we play Zimmer ball... like how we began the season, and how we played the NFCCG and how we always play a big game in prime time, or against a winning opponent or top opponemts in division... Zimmer ball is a real thing, he admits it and what he expects from his team he leads with this philosophy...

Does it win games, yes against lesser opponents with coaches who play checkers, but when its a chess match, I dont think we can count on the mind of Mike Zimmer...

Sorry, its facts based on data of records he himself compiled... disputable?

DeFlip got fired because he liked 7 step drops with a sieve for a OLine.

DeFlip was the Jacksonville O-Coordinator this year. How did Zimmer sabotage that debacle?

This is where debates go sideways... I never said Flip was all that, only stated that he had far different visions for running an O than Zimmer and it was cause for his demise... Flip was never given a fair chance, sort of like that cluster F that we had with the Norv/ Shurm drama we all forget about and honestly thought we might see that some this year with the Kubiak Maffia and Step, but Step knows his boss and is a good yes man...

How Flip would have done things if allowed his total own way to run an O in MN will never be known... what he did with differing results elsewhere is irrelevent, Same goes for Case Keenum and his magic year, you cannot weigh seasons and systems against one another... BTW I was on record saying from start that hiring Flip and then going after Cousins was a huge mistake, Kirk did not fit Flips system, Case honestly would have much better, but we will never know now and honestly with Zimmer it likely would have all flames out anyways...

It really takes multiple elements within a team to gell along with talent all on same page and buying in. Great coaching is a big part but only one element. Teams that find success on a regular basis do have coaches who understand how to blend these elements with their own philosophy as well as totally trust in their subordants and not micro manage units but let theose coordinators work their magic and not derail or meddle with the results to a negative impact that Zimmer has in ways that were determental to the team chemistry and results...

You recently complained about Zimmer not getting with the different units coaches
to help them and now you're bitching that Zimmer micro-manages. Make up your
mind. Or do you just like to bitch and moan? Nevermind, I know the answer

I don't like it when Zimmer is stoic.
I don't like it when Zimmer's face gets all red.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Anyone hear if they decided on Antonio Brown yet?

Glazer said yesterday that they told him to show up ALONE.
He showed up with a couple agents, a film crew, and a couple trainers.
It wasn't going anywhere …. after he couldn't follow one simple direction.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: hagar

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

2017 Team was an abberation fueled by good luck and great bounces, the team fed from within with chemistry and self coached exuberance making crazy impromptu plays on strength of scrambling QB with a lucky horse shoe in his pocket...

In spite of Zimmer and his opinions the team rallied from within around themselves to outpreform everyones expectations and almost make it to the big dance...

There in encapsulates Zimmer as a HC and belies his abilities to lead. Some liken it to getting us "over the hump" but truth is Zimmer lead teams dont posess something tangable to beat those better teams on a regular basis. Its not an abberation, its real...

Who knows what the talent on this team could do with differing leadership, Our closest hint would be the 2017 team when Shurm and Case went on their own journey and the entire team rode the high of a new stadium and great team chemistry and open social media, players openly having fun... all to Mike Zimmers total disdain which he called out on a regular basis and then totally clamped down on the following season in his staunch control freak sort of head coaching ways...

Basically any win Zimmer has got is in spite of him. Coordinators went rogue so we had a chance.

Exactly, sort of like Stef rally win against the Broncs with a white board, or a couple wins going in his own direction for Flip before Zimms head exploded and he fired him... Just like Case going off the play sheet and causing Zimmer to lament wins... Guy is a control freak... AND in biggest games, when it matters MOST Zimmer pluts his total authorian stamp on the game... Then we play Zimmer ball... like how we began the season, and how we played the NFCCG and how we always play a big game in prime time, or against a winning opponent or top opponemts in division... Zimmer ball is a real thing, he admits it and what he expects from his team he leads with this philosophy...

Does it win games, yes against lesser opponents with coaches who play checkers, but when its a chess match, I dont think we can count on the mind of Mike Zimmer...

Sorry, its facts based on data of records he himself compiled... disputable?

DeFlip got fired because he liked 7 step drops with a sieve for a OLine.

DeFlip was the Jacksonville O-Coordinator this year. How did Zimmer sabotage that debacle?

This is where debates go sideways... I never said Flip was all that, only stated that he had far different visions for running an O than Zimmer and it was cause for his demise... Flip was never given a fair chance, sort of like that cluster F that we had with the Norv/ Shurm drama we all forget about and honestly thought we might see that some this year with the Kubiak Maffia and Step, but Step knows his boss and is a good yes man...

How Flip would have done things if allowed his total own way to run an O in MN will never be known... what he did with differing results elsewhere is irrelevent, Same goes for Case Keenum and his magic year, you cannot weigh seasons and systems against one another... BTW I was on record saying from start that hiring Flip and then going after Cousins was a huge mistake, Kirk did not fit Flips system, Case honestly would have much better, but we will never know now and honestly with Zimmer it likely would have all flames out anyways...

It really takes multiple elements within a team to gell along with talent all on same page and buying in. Great coaching is a big part but only one element. Teams that find success on a regular basis do have coaches who understand how to blend these elements with their own philosophy as well as totally trust in their subordants and not micro manage units but let theose coordinators work their magic and not derail or meddle with the results to a negative impact that Zimmer has in ways that were determental to the team chemistry and results...

You recently complained about Zimmer not getting with the different units coaches
to help them and now you're bitching that Zimmer micro-manages. Make up your
mind. Or do you just like to bitch and moan? Nevermind, I know the answer

I don't like it when Zimmer is stoic.
I don't like it when Zimmer's face gets all red.

Ron Gardenhire used to be that way his last three seasons with the Twins. He wouldn't answer many post game questions and got red-faced like a cherry about to burst.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Will Wilson and Carroll get roasted today?

1st and goal at the 1.

Clock it(which was fine) but then get a delay of game on 2nd down after that.
Apparently Wilson forgot to bring his cape
That would make Chilly proud.

They are starting to rack up some of the worst goal line decision-making results in the history of the game.
Clock the damn ball.
If Carroll doesn't get it, then maybe the all-world all-knowing Russell Wilson should.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Browns Want To Interview Mike McCarthy, And Kevin Stefanski Again

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I'm a sucker for punishing myself so this weekend I want to watch the Vikings get killed sitting with Rags and CPA whilst drinking nothing but warm Verners ginger ale and eating under cooked bacon sandwiches on stale bread.

Back to the Vikes getting killed. We might lose by 30 or 40. To even have a chance we'd have to gamble heavily with blitzing and have it pay off. What I expect is an imbalance of fake blitzes vs real ones until we are to far behind. With that, and in general it seems, we leave way too much space to be exploited. 2nd stringers can do it...Brees is really good at it. The Saints won't play small ball and will aim to stack td's. It could be all time ugly.

I will take a miracle of course

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

If Kirk comes out and resembles what we saw in both GB games then we have to start looking for other options. We will need a new coach and GM as well.