Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports

Forums  Register  Login  My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums 

Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ  Ticket List  Log Out

RE: General Vikes Talk

 
Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk Page: <<   < prev  225 226 [227] 228 229   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 1:03:40 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline
For those who can handle the truth:

Cousins’ one interception came when Thielen stopped his route short, and the ball went right into Sherman’s hands.

“It was completely my fault,” Thielen said. “I didn’t cross (Sherman’s) face, and obviously Kirk trusted me to win on that route and make a play on the ball. I didn’t do that.”

(from The Athletic)
Post #: 5651
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 7:54:09 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

Posts: 19617
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

For those who can handle the truth:

Cousins’ one interception came when Thielen stopped his route short, and the ball went right into Sherman’s hands.

“It was completely my fault,” Thielen said. “I didn’t cross (Sherman’s) face, and obviously Kirk trusted me to win on that route and make a play on the ball. I didn’t do that.”

(from The Athletic)

The team had 7 first downs and 1 was by penalty. I'm not worried about the 1 interception. If Keenum led an offense to 1 game like this let alone 2 in a month I think the tune would be a little different. What a pitiful display by everyone.
Post #: 5652
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:00:36 AM   
thebigo


Posts: 28303
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: hagar

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

It all starts in the trenches. Got to give SF credit for picking all them Dlineman early.

Their oline looked fairly stout today as well.

Seeing what Tenn is doing in Balt does kind of debunk the short rest excuse.

When we came out and ran up the middle twice, ended up in 3rd and 8 and air mailed a pass I knew we were screwed. Dumb dumb dumb!


You knew we were screwed after the very first possession? That's impressive.
I've never been able to determine the outcome of a game that quickly. Now
that you can bet online during a game based upon the situation in real time,
I would love to partner up with you. We could make lots of money based on
your knowledge. I'll be happy to match any wager you want to make and even
be willing to give you a percentage of what we win because of your superior
ability to see things that haven't happened yet. We'll have to agree to negotiate
the percentage of course. Let me know

Post #: 5653
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:02:13 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

Posts: 19617
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: hagar

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

It all starts in the trenches. Got to give SF credit for picking all them Dlineman early.

Their oline looked fairly stout today as well.

Seeing what Tenn is doing in Balt does kind of debunk the short rest excuse.

When we came out and ran up the middle twice, ended up in 3rd and 8 and air mailed a pass I knew we were screwed. Dumb dumb dumb!


You knew we were screwed after the very first possession? That's impressive.
I've never been able to determine the outcome of a game that quickly. Now
that you can bet online during a game based upon the situation in real time,
I would love to partner up with you. We could make lots of money based on
your knowledge. I'll be happy to match any wager you want to make and even
be willing to give you a percentage of what we win because of your superior
ability to see things that haven't happened yet. We'll have to agree to negotiate
the percentage of course. Let me know



Post #: 5654
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:13:59 AM   
The Happy Norseman

 

Posts: 758
Joined: 12/2/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

Not surprisingly, the Vikes go down because of their inferior offensive line. What else is new? Luckily, Spielman has it easy next year. He needs to sign 2 stud OG’s, then draft a stud DT in the first and our QB of the future in the 2nd and we can make a run. We need to dominate in the trenches the way most Super Bowl winners do. With the exception of O’Neill, the dude can’t draft olinemen to save his life, so he needs to pony up for proven commodities. We’ve got enough talent on D, with or without Rhodes, Waynes and Griffin.



We're currently $5million over the cap in 2020 with just 39 players signed. There will be no free agent signings. We'll have to restructure/cut some folks just to squeeze a full roster onto the books. It's not going to be pretty. Goodbye/restructure to Rhodes, Joseph, Griffen, and and Reiff. We have $16 million in dead cap tied up in Barr and Rudolph so there's nothing to be done there. A restructure/re-signing of Harrison Smith could help. Resigning/restructuring Cousins would help a lot so long as we're fine with keeping him.

2020 is Super Bowl or bust.


Then unfortunately, next year is going to be a lost season. The team as constructed can’t consistently beat good NFL teams and a rookie draft class isn’t going to change that fact. RS and Zim want to keep their jobs so the team won’t go into full rebuild mode next year, but they should. Clear space, trade any valuable pieces we can, draft our QB of the future and get ready to compete again in 2 years.

_____________________________

If the Cubs can win the World Series...
Post #: 5655
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:28:15 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

Posts: 12177
Joined: 9/1/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes.

Trae Waynes
Anthony Harris
Rashod Hils
Andrew Sendejo
Mackensie Alexander
Dan Bailey
Britton Colquitt

Dakota Dozier
Sean Mannion
Ameer Abdullah
Laquon Treadwel
Brett Jones
C.J. Ham
Kentrell Brothers
David Morgan
Jayron Kearse
Stephen Weatherly
Eric Wilson


Prioritize resigning the bolded, retain Morgan and Dozier at smallish contracts, lose Rhodes, Reiff, and some others, renegotiate with Linval, extend Cousins and Cook with next year's salary converted to bonus to create room, maybe trade someone unexpected like Harrison Smith to yield a high pick.

Linval would have to get his cap number down to about 3-4M. If not, goodbye.

Franchise Harris

Offer Alexander 4M a year

Re-sign Bailey and Colquitt. Best we've had since Anderson and Berger.

Re-sign Wilson if he takes 2.5M a year

Waynes is gone. Someone will give him 10-12M a year. And regret it later.
Post #: 5656
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:31:18 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

As a very good analyst said a few weeks ago
If Kirk Cousins doesn’t get you a Super Bowl that signing is a disaster. Period

Could we get this far with a cheaper Tannehill or Fitzmagic and a beefed up OLine? Probably.

Tell you what if you want a run heavy offense you need some studs up front like the Titans have.

Zim wants to run but doesn't have the personnel to do it against good teams.

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft
Post #: 5657
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:32:10 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

Posts: 12177
Joined: 9/1/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes.

Trae Waynes
Anthony Harris
Rashod Hils
Andrew Sendejo
Mackensie Alexander
Dan Bailey
Britton Colquitt
Dakota Dozier
Sean Mannion
Ameer Abdullah
Laquon Treadwel
Brett Jones
C.J. Ham
Kentrell Brothers
David Morgan
Jayron Kearse
Stephen Weatherly
Eric Wilson

Consider how much Zimmer and company will have to do with far less next year and what might that further expose?

Doesnt feel like something to look forward to, like we were close this year, and next we get over hump... Think the hump just got over us...


3 guys on that list that are keepers. 2 renegotiations gets every one we want from that list back on our roster.



That makes 42 people on the team. Grab 6-10 draft picks, some UDFA's and call it good?

Have to break the bank for a proven Guard.

I'd roll the dice that Udoh is a player and only grab a Tackle later on in draft.
Post #: 5658
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:32:40 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

Posts: 12177
Joined: 9/1/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

As a very good analyst said a few weeks ago
If Kirk Cousins doesn’t get you a Super Bowl that signing is a disaster. Period

Could we get this far with a cheaper Tannehill or Fitzmagic and a beefed up OLine? Probably.

Tell you what if you want a run heavy offense you need some studs up front like the Titans have.

Zim wants to run but doesn't have the personnel to do it against good teams.

Yep
Post #: 5659
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:44:38 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: odin

Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting.

Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction.

2nd Half: I will agree with you.

Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression...

We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust...

Zimmer never will play any other way...

SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st.

We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine.

We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game.

We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE.

YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us...

We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless...

We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices...

Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done...

Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense.

Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options.
Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB...

Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working...

We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further...

We ran it 10 times and passed 30.

They ran it twice as much as they passed.

We tried slants, screens, outs, crossing patterns. I never saw NBC showing us a wide open receiver that we missed. Usually they were showing one or two of our OLineman getting pancaked or stepped on after they fell down.

This was a solid defense without Alexander and Ford playing. Now they have them back and they look scary.

Full agreed, we were out schemed and out played on several levels.

We were not the better team today...

Are the Niners that much ahead of us in potential playmakers and talent ? Or did their coaching put a better more rested team in better positions to exploit their strengths and our weakenss?

I think we do have too many overpaid non hungry playmakers on our team and a coaching staff far too comfortable to leave the entrenched starters in position no matter their output or schemed gameday matchups.

Like I mentioned earlier Tenn kind of debunked the rest excuse.

They simply manhandled a well rested, very physical balt team.

I think it boils down to personnel in the trenches. We need a dominant DT. joseph is no longer it. Bulk of the good teams have or drafted one a couple years ago in that strong DT draft. We went CB and Oline in the first 2 rds and now the cupboard is bare. Spielmans track record isn't good when it comes to the big uglys you need.

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft
Post #: 5660
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:48:05 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes.

Trae Waynes
Anthony Harris
Rashod Hils
Andrew Sendejo
Mackensie Alexander
Dan Bailey
Britton Colquitt
Dakota Dozier
Sean Mannion
Ameer Abdullah
Laquon Treadwel
Brett Jones
C.J. Ham
Kentrell Brothers
David Morgan
Jayron Kearse
Stephen Weatherly
Eric Wilson

Consider how much Zimmer and company will have to do with far less next year and what might that further expose?

Doesnt feel like something to look forward to, like we were close this year, and next we get over hump... Think the hump just got over us...


Well we'd save $40 million by cutting Griffen, Rhodes, Rieff, and Joseph
which would give us some room to get a guard and a CB. There's still the draft. Yeah hopefully we don't draft defense early and often again. Actually at this point I don't even really know about anything.

Since I don't know specifics I'll just talk in generalities - less high priced veteran/stars that under perform their contracts and more cheap/young up-and-comers. Take chances that some of the young kids will have talent. Have open competitions for starting spots. Be willing to move on from veterans if it's in the teams best long-term interests.

Basically we would be upgrading at all but one of those positions (Griffen the exception).

I really think O'Neill at LT and Udoh at RT will be better than what we had this year.

and draft/sign a stud LG

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft
Post #: 5661
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 9:50:47 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

Posts: 19617
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: odin

Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting.

Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction.

2nd Half: I will agree with you.

Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression...

We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust...

Zimmer never will play any other way...

SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st.

We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine.

We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game.

We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE.

YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us...

We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless...

We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices...

Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done...

Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense.

Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options.
Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB...

Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working...

We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further...

We ran it 10 times and passed 30.

They ran it twice as much as they passed.

We tried slants, screens, outs, crossing patterns. I never saw NBC showing us a wide open receiver that we missed. Usually they were showing one or two of our OLineman getting pancaked or stepped on after they fell down.

This was a solid defense without Alexander and Ford playing. Now they have them back and they look scary.

Full agreed, we were out schemed and out played on several levels.

We were not the better team today...

Are the Niners that much ahead of us in potential playmakers and talent ? Or did their coaching put a better more rested team in better positions to exploit their strengths and our weakenss?

I think we do have too many overpaid non hungry playmakers on our team and a coaching staff far too comfortable to leave the entrenched starters in position no matter their output or schemed gameday matchups.

Like I mentioned earlier Tenn kind of debunked the rest excuse.

They simply manhandled a well rested, very physical balt team.

I think it boils down to personnel in the trenches. We need a dominant DT. joseph is no longer it. Bulk of the good teams have or drafted one a couple years ago in that strong DT draft. We went CB and Oline in the first 2 rds and now the cupboard is bare. Spielmans track record isn't good when it comes to the big uglys you need.

It's not good for big uglies or offensive line. Bradbury may be a complete bust along with Elf. We shall see how Bradbury comes back next season. Early returns aren't good. It's going to take a small miracle to get an offensive line like the Titans have by next year. We also need a back like Henry to do what they're doing. Guy runs people over constantly.

< Message edited by Richard Neussendorfer -- 1/12/2020 9:52:16 AM >
Post #: 5662
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 10:00:41 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

Posts: 12177
Joined: 9/1/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: odin

Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting.

Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction.

2nd Half: I will agree with you.

Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression...

We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust...

Zimmer never will play any other way...

SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st.

We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine.

We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game.

We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE.

YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us...

We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless...

We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices...

Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done...

Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense.

Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options.
Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB...

Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working...

We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further...

We ran it 10 times and passed 30.

They ran it twice as much as they passed.

We tried slants, screens, outs, crossing patterns. I never saw NBC showing us a wide open receiver that we missed. Usually they were showing one or two of our OLineman getting pancaked or stepped on after they fell down.

This was a solid defense without Alexander and Ford playing. Now they have them back and they look scary.

Full agreed, we were out schemed and out played on several levels.

We were not the better team today...

Are the Niners that much ahead of us in potential playmakers and talent ? Or did their coaching put a better more rested team in better positions to exploit their strengths and our weakenss?

I think we do have too many overpaid non hungry playmakers on our team and a coaching staff far too comfortable to leave the entrenched starters in position no matter their output or schemed gameday matchups.

Like I mentioned earlier Tenn kind of debunked the rest excuse.

They simply manhandled a well rested, very physical balt team.

I think it boils down to personnel in the trenches. We need a dominant DT. joseph is no longer it. Bulk of the good teams have or drafted one a couple years ago in that strong DT draft. We went CB and Oline in the first 2 rds and now the cupboard is bare. Spielmans track record isn't good when it comes to the big uglys you need.

It's not good for big uglies or offensive line. Bradbury may be a complete bust along with Elf. We shall see how Bradbury comes back next season. Early returns aren't good. It's going to take a small miracle to get an offensive line like the Titans have by next year. We also need a back like Henry to do what they're doing. Guy runs people over constantly.

Have you watched Mattison run? We are fine at RB.
Post #: 5663
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 10:06:05 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

Posts: 19617
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson


Have you watched Mattison run? We are fine at RB.

Have you watched Henry run? Mattison nor Cook can do what he's doing. He's running over people in the hole.

While I agree we're fine at RB Henry is running like a man possessed these last 2 playoff games. It's going to be hard for anyone else to win 2 playoff games with the QB passing for 80 yards a game. Good luck on replicating that!

< Message edited by Richard Neussendorfer -- 1/12/2020 10:10:00 AM >
Post #: 5664
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:01:17 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline
Most big backs coming out of college struggle first to use something other than power to win in the hole, which is a must, and then to stay healthy, because running over people in the NFL---assuming you even can---takes a huge toll.

The zone scheme we run is effective because it allows sub-par/smaller OLs to avoid losing head-up, but it can't beat a fast, disciplined front seven. That's why we struggle to run against GB, Chicago, SF, NO in the second half, etc. It works against undermanned or undisciplined defenses well enough and if deployed with an effective passing game with the right route combos it can be devastating. Our problem is that we can't pass block in the interior, esp C and LG. Hopefully Bradbury gets stronger btwn seasons; Elf is probably a reserve at best at this point.

Failure to draft effectively in the first couple of rounds has killed Spielman, and hence the Vikings. I still have hope for Hughes and Bradbury, but the Treadwell year's total failure in Rounds 1 and 2 has killed us, not to mention the bad positional distribution due to all of the capital spent on CBs who are OK at best.
Post #: 5665
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:11:43 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

Posts: 19617
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

Most big backs coming out of college struggle first to use something other than power to win in the hole, which is a must, and then to stay healthy, because running over people in the NFL---assuming you even can---takes a huge toll.

The zone scheme we run is effective because it allows sub-par/smaller OLs to avoid losing head-up, but it can't beat a fast, disciplined front seven. That's why we struggle to run against GB, Chicago, SF, NO in the second half, etc. It works against undermanned or undisciplined defenses well enough and if deployed with an effective passing game with the right route combos it can be devastating. Our problem is that we can't pass block in the interior, esp C and LG. Hopefully Bradbury gets stronger btwn seasons; Elf is probably a reserve at best at this point.

Failure to draft effectively in the first couple of rounds has killed Spielman, and hence the Vikings. I still have hope for Hughes and Bradbury, but the Treadwell year's total failure in Rounds 1 and 2 has killed us, not to mention the bad positional distribution due to all of the capital spent on CBs who are OK at best.

Great post!
Post #: 5666
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:15:22 AM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28604
Status: offline
Stefanski to Browns.
Post #: 5667
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:15:25 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline
Stefanski to Browns.
Post #: 5668
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:19:04 AM   
The Happy Norseman

 

Posts: 758
Joined: 12/2/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Stefanski to Browns.


Good. He might be better suited as a HC than an OC. Too many games this year when our offense we went stagnant and Stefanski made no adjustments. The 9ers game being the latest example.

_____________________________

If the Cubs can win the World Series...
Post #: 5669
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:20:29 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline
Don't know what to think about Stefanski, but I'm not too busted up. I think he's readily replaceable, but maybe he brings a lot more than he was allowed to show. We will be running the same system next year, likely with one of the Kubiaks as OC.
Post #: 5670
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:23:30 AM   
McMurfy


Posts: 13792
Joined: 7/31/2007
From: Portland, Oregon
Status: offline
After 40 Years of the Vikings NOT winning the Super Bowl, I’m not sure I’d care that much anymore anyways.

It’s like the girl you long for sleeping with 25 other Dudes(some of them multiple times)
before giving you some.


Seems it would be a lot less fun.

_____________________________

The Curse of Mauer is gone!
Post #: 5671
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:26:13 AM   
McMurfy


Posts: 13792
Joined: 7/31/2007
From: Portland, Oregon
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Stefanski to Browns.



I miss the old days when you had to be good at your job to get a promotion.

Or at least APPEAR to be good at your job.

_____________________________

The Curse of Mauer is gone!
Post #: 5672
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:28:50 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline
Cleveland looking to fill GM slot. Hey, Browns, Spielman is from Ohio.....bring him home.
Post #: 5673
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:30:40 AM   
The Happy Norseman

 

Posts: 758
Joined: 12/2/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

Cleveland looking to fill GM slot. Hey, Browns, Spielman is from Ohio.....bring him home.


That kind of good fortune rarely happens to the Vikings but one can hope!

_____________________________

If the Cubs can win the World Series...
Post #: 5674
RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2020 11:44:07 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

Posts: 19617
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: McMurfy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Stefanski to Browns.



I miss the old days when you had to be good at your job to get a promotion.

Or at least APPEAR to be good at your job.

It may be to our benefit though!
Post #: 5675
Page:   <<   < prev  225 226 [227] 228 229   next >   >>
All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk Page: <<   < prev  225 226 [227] 228 229   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.5.5 Unicode