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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rookies: Cleveland, Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby
2nd Year: Samia, Udoh

For Sure: Reiff, Oneil, Bradbury

Others: Dozier, Elf, Collins,

Should be able to sift thru the rest to make this line considerably better this year....then draft 3 more next year again.

BASED ON PERFORMANCE
Starter For sure: O'Neill
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Hill
Others:

BASED ON DRAFT INVESTMENT
Starter For sure: Bradbury
Possible Starter: Cleveland
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON HAVING NOTHING BETTER
Starter For sure: Reiff
Possible Starter:
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON PRACTICE (PROPHESY, PROGNOSTICATION AND DIVINATION)
Starter For sure:
Possible Starter: Samia, Udoh
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON FILLING ROSTER SPOTS
Starter For sure
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Dozier, Elf, Collins
Others (Practice Squad Candidates): Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby

if we're thinking/hoping Cleveland starts at lt then reiff is vulnerable for a cut...does he have the lower body strength?...has he been training for a move over the offseason?...everyone knows remmers moving was a complete failure...if udoh has been training for the left guard position over the last year+ he could be much stronger and better prepared than reiff....

it would be great for the team if we can move forward this season without reiff - saves about $8m - can we trade reiff for a solid starting guard?....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rookies: Cleveland, Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby
2nd Year: Samia, Udoh

For Sure: Reiff, Oneil, Bradbury

Others: Dozier, Elf, Collins,

Should be able to sift thru the rest to make this line considerably better this year....then draft 3 more next year again.

BASED ON PERFORMANCE
Starter For sure: O'Neill
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Hill
Others:

BASED ON DRAFT INVESTMENT
Starter For sure: Bradbury
Possible Starter: Cleveland
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON HAVING NOTHING BETTER
Starter For sure: Reiff
Possible Starter:
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON PRACTICE (PROPHESY, PROGNOSTICATION AND DIVINATION)
Starter For sure:
Possible Starter: Samia, Udoh
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON FILLING ROSTER SPOTS
Starter For sure
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Dozier, Elf, Collins
Others (Practice Squad Candidates): Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby

if we're thinking/hoping Cleveland starts at lt then reiff is vulnerable for a cut...does he have the lower body strength?...has he been training for a move over the offseason?...everyone knows remmers moving was a complete failure...if udoh has been training for the left guard position over the last year+ he could be much stronger and better prepared than reiff....

it would be great for the team if we can move forward this season without reiff - saves about $8m - can we trade reiff for a solid starting guard?....

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rookies: Cleveland, Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby
2nd Year: Samia, Udoh

For Sure: Reiff, Oneil, Bradbury

Others: Dozier, Elf, Collins,

Should be able to sift thru the rest to make this line considerably better this year....then draft 3 more next year again.

BASED ON PERFORMANCE
Starter For sure: O'Neill
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Hill
Others:

BASED ON DRAFT INVESTMENT
Starter For sure: Bradbury
Possible Starter: Cleveland
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON HAVING NOTHING BETTER
Starter For sure: Reiff
Possible Starter:
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON PRACTICE (PROPHESY, PROGNOSTICATION AND DIVINATION)
Starter For sure:
Possible Starter: Samia, Udoh
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON FILLING ROSTER SPOTS
Starter For sure
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Dozier, Elf, Collins
Others (Practice Squad Candidates): Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby

if we're thinking/hoping Cleveland starts at lt then reiff is vulnerable for a cut...does he have the lower body strength?...has he been training for a move over the offseason?...everyone knows remmers moving was a complete failure...if udoh has been training for the left guard position over the last year+ he could be much stronger and better prepared than reiff....

it would be great for the team if we can move forward this season without reiff - saves about $8m - can we trade reiff for a solid starting guard?....

I would be very surprised if Cleveland starts this year. Incredulous really, but anything is possible. O’Neil somehow punctured the ‘not strong enough for the pro game’ label but lightening striking twice? idk

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rookies: Cleveland, Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby
2nd Year: Samia, Udoh

For Sure: Reiff, Oneil, Bradbury

Others: Dozier, Elf, Collins,

Should be able to sift thru the rest to make this line considerably better this year....then draft 3 more next year again.

BASED ON PERFORMANCE
Starter For sure: O'Neill
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Hill
Others:

ALL OTHERS

if we're thinking/hoping Cleveland starts at lt then reiff is vulnerable for a cut...does he have the lower body strength?...has he been training for a move over the offseason?...everyone knows remmers moving was a complete failure...if udoh has been training for the left guard position over the last year+ he could be much stronger and better prepared than reiff....

it would be great for the team if we can move forward this season without reiff - saves about $8m - can we trade reiff for a solid starting guard?....

I would be very surprised if Cleveland starts this year. Incredulous really, but anything is possible. O’Neil somehow punctured the ‘not strong enough for the pro game’ label but lightening striking twice? idk

They have been drafting the most athletic Guards and Tackles....hope it works for our benefit....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
They have been drafting the most athletic Guards and Tackles....hope it works for our benefit....

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
They have been drafting the most athletic Guards and Tackles....hope it works for our benefit....

The emphasis on athleticism is a definite shift in their O-line drafting philosophy in the last few years. At least they are drafting players to fit their o-line scheme. At this point out of the higher picks, O'Neil is a success, Elfline is a failure and Bradbury and Cleveland are TBD. Out of the day 3 picks Udoh and Samia show a lot of promise, but are TBD none the less. Collins as a UDFA is in that same mold shows some promise, except for the constant injuries.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
They have been drafting the most athletic Guards and Tackles....hope it works for our benefit....

The emphasis on athleticism is a definite shift in their O-line drafting philosophy in the last few years. At least they are drafting players to fit their o-line scheme. At this point out of the higher picks, O'Neil is a success, Elfline is a failure and Bradbury and Cleveland are TBD. Out of the day 3 picks Udoh and Samia show a lot of promise, but are TBD none the less. Collins as a UDFA is in that same mold shows some promise, except for the constant injuries.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rookies: Cleveland, Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby
2nd Year: Samia, Udoh

For Sure: Reiff, Oneil, Bradbury

Others: Dozier, Elf, Collins,

Should be able to sift thru the rest to make this line considerably better this year....then draft 3 more next year again.

BASED ON PERFORMANCE
Starter For sure: O'Neill
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Hill
Others:

BASED ON DRAFT INVESTMENT
Starter For sure: Bradbury
Possible Starter: Cleveland
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON HAVING NOTHING BETTER
Starter For sure: Reiff
Possible Starter:
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON PRACTICE (PROPHESY, PROGNOSTICATION AND DIVINATION)
Starter For sure:
Possible Starter: Samia, Udoh
Back-up:
Others:

BASED ON FILLING ROSTER SPOTS
Starter For sure
Possible Starter:
Back-up: Dozier, Elf, Collins
Others (Practice Squad Candidates): Brandel, Hinton, Lacina, Aiello, Higby

if we're thinking/hoping Cleveland starts at lt then reiff is vulnerable for a cut...does he have the lower body strength?...has he been training for a move over the offseason?...everyone knows remmers moving was a complete failure...if udoh has been training for the left guard position over the last year+ he could be much stronger and better prepared than reiff....

it would be great for the team if we can move forward this season without reiff - saves about $8m - can we trade reiff for a solid starting guard?....

I would be very surprised if Cleveland starts this year. Incredulous really, but anything is possible. O’Neil somehow punctured the ‘not strong enough for the pro game’ label but lightening striking twice? idk

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

What's with the Udoh to LT coming from?

That's one of the last places we'd put him.

I made a simple comment on what Udoh looks like based on his physical attributes and the board ran with it. I wasn't advocating for him to be the LT.

The way you worded it made it seem like you were advocating it.

Great. I'm back in 5th English class with Sister Mary.

Maybe you'll pass this time.

I hope so sister.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
They have been drafting the most athletic Guards and Tackles....hope it works for our benefit....

The emphasis on athleticism is a definite shift in their O-line drafting philosophy in the last few years. At least they are drafting players to fit their o-line scheme. At this point out of the higher picks, O'Neil is a success, Elfline is a failure and Bradbury and Cleveland are TBD. Out of the day 3 picks Udoh and Samia show a lot of promise, but are TBD none the less. Collins as a UDFA is in that same mold shows some promise, except for the constant injuries.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
They have been drafting the most athletic Guards and Tackles....hope it works for our benefit....

The emphasis on athleticism is a definite shift in their O-line drafting philosophy in the last few years. At least they are drafting players to fit their o-line scheme. At this point out of the higher picks, O'Neil is a success, Elfline is a failure and Bradbury and Cleveland are TBD. Out of the day 3 picks Udoh and Samia show a lot of promise, but are TBD none the less. Collins as a UDFA is in that same mold shows some promise, except for the constant injuries.

Elflein being an exception, i.e., he's not athletic.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/pat-elflein

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
They have been drafting the most athletic Guards and Tackles....hope it works for our benefit....

The emphasis on athleticism is a definite shift in their O-line drafting philosophy in the last few years. At least they are drafting players to fit their o-line scheme. At this point out of the higher picks, O'Neil is a success, Elfline is a failure and Bradbury and Cleveland are TBD. Out of the day 3 picks Udoh and Samia show a lot of promise, but are TBD none the less. Collins as a UDFA is in that same mold shows some promise, except for the constant injuries.

Elflein being an exception, i.e., he's not athletic.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/pat-elflein

Which is why he is the failure.

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ORIGINAL: beo

Larry Warford on the market...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/08/saints-release-larry-warford/

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ORIGINAL: beo

Larry Warford on the market...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/08/saints-release-larry-warford/

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: beo

Larry Warford on the market...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/08/saints-release-larry-warford/

He'd be a great signing, but I can't imagine we can afford him.

Only 28 years old, has been quite healthy and has been to the last 3 Pro Bowls.

I don't think he's particularly fast, but I believe the Saints are a mostly zone blocking team.

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ORIGINAL: unome

Interesting piece on the Athletic after the drafting of Ruiz:

"The New Orleans Saints’ first-round draft selection Thursday indirectly exposed one of the NFL’s great fallacies: the Pro Bowl. Over the years, the league’s annual all-star game has become more of a popularity contest than a true indicator of the game’s best talent.

The Saints’ interior offensive line is a prime example. Both starting guards Andrus Peat and Larry Warford earned invitations to that event last season when, truth be told, neither’s play on the field justified it. Anyone who watched the Minnesota Vikings strategically attack the Saints’ interior offensive line in their 26-20 upset in the NFC wild-card playoffs in January understands this.

Even before that game, the Saints knew they needed to address this area of the roster. Improving the interior offensive line became one of the Saints’ top offseason priorities, a “must” on the to-do list of the club’s brain trust. Sean Payton consistently listed it as one of the top areas of need every time he was asked about it this offseason.

So no one should have been surprised when the Saints selected Michigan center/guard Cesar Ruiz with the No. 24 overall pick of the 2020 NFL Draft on Thursday night. He was the top-rated center in the draft and one of the highest-graded players on the Saints’ board."



https://theathletic.co.uk/1771946/2020/04/24/saints-selection-of-cesar-ruiz-uncovers-one-of-nfls-great-paradoxes/?redirected=1

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Andrus Peat and Saints agree to 5-year, $57.5 million contract. The New Orleans Saints are shoring up one of their offensive line needs, as they're bringing back the versatile Andrus Peat on a five-year deal. The contract is worth $57.5 million total, with $33 million guaranteed.Mar 20, 2020

Warford's deal was 8.5ml avg through 2021