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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up).

That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already.....

Not sure why you are so adamant and locked in on those particular players and positions.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Pros/cons for picking a position early:

- CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers.
- OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off.
- DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle.
- WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme.

The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete:
- Samia
- Odenibigo
- Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel)

Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at:
OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves.
DE - Odenibigo
CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot
DT - Stephen

Leaves a clear need at:
- WR (high impact need)
- CB (2 spots so must address one early)

- Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58.

That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Pros/cons for picking a position early:

- CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers.
- OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off.
- DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle.
- WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme.

The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete:
- Samia
- Odenibigo
- Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel)

Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at:
OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves.
DE - Odenibigo
CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot
DT - Stephen

Leaves a clear need at:
- WR (high impact need)
- CB (2 spots so must address one early)

- Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58.

That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Pros/cons for picking a position early:

- CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers.
- OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off.
- DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle.
- WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme.

The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete:
- Samia
- Odenibigo
- Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel)

Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at:
OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves.
DE - Odenibigo
CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot
DT - Stephen

Leaves a clear need at:
- WR (high impact need)
- CB (2 spots so must address one early)

- Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58.

That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR.

Agree with 2 CBs in 1st three rounds. Hughes is a health risk. I think Hill can be borderline Pro Bowler if he doesn't do something knuckleheaded.

I would love to see Fulton or Terrell as an outside guy and Robertson to man the nickel.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Pros/cons for picking a position early:

- CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers.
- OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off.
- DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle.
- WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme.

The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete:
- Samia
- Odenibigo
- Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel)

Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at:
OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves.
DE - Odenibigo
CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot
DT - Stephen

Leaves a clear need at:
- WR (high impact need)
- CB (2 spots so must address one early)

- Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58.

That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up).

That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already.....

Maybe there will be an unforeseen event, like a trade for Williams or a trade up or down on day one of the draft. (more likely up, don't you think?) Perhaps a blue chip player may slide.

So what I'm saying is that I believe something will happen that none of us could have predicted. That is what I am predicting.

Let me give you an example. The LSU defensive end might be a player that Vikings find a way to select. Zimmer is reportedly frustrated that he's not getting better run defense on first downs from Odenigbo and K’Lavon Chaisson is supposed to be good as a three down DE. I found this:

Chaisson is also effective against the run, which means he can be an every down player and not just a pass rush specialist. He has excellent gap discipline and plays with great leverage which allows him to hold his own at the point of attack and cause disruption in the backfield.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-lsu-klavon-chaisson/

I know I was beating the drum for him earlier but he really looks like a fit for a 3-4 team. Maybe that is us(sometimes).

We have not taken a defensive lineman in the first round for quite awhile. Patterson has been really good at developing mid to late rounders, but now he is the co-defensive coordinator. So his "fist pounding" may carry more weight for this draft. I don't know. Like I am beginning to say, I don't have a clue. Just I'm speculating.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups.

Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups.

Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR.

Wouldn't that just be easier with 10 First Rounders?

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups.

Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR.

Wouldn't that just be easier with 10 First Rounders?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups.

Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR.

Wouldn't that just be easier with 10 First Rounders?

Yes. In the frivolous draft bubble I created floating out in space ... to mock draft mocking.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The wide receiver draft is so deep that we could do this. Amazing.

https://climbingthepocket.com/2020/04/12/what-if-the-vikings-waited-until-day-3-for-wide-receiver/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

7 round mock with trades. It's like reading a science fiction book.

https://www.si.com/.amp-vikings/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-with-trades?__twitter_impression=true

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up).

That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already.....

Maybe there will be an unforeseen event, like a trade for Williams or a trade up or down on day one of the draft. (more likely up, don't you think?) Perhaps a blue chip player may slide.

So what I'm saying is that I believe something will happen that none of us could have predicted. That is what I am predicting.

Let me give you an example. The LSU defensive end might be a player that Vikings find a way to select. Zimmer is reportedly frustrated that he's not getting better run defense on first downs from Odenigbo and K’Lavon Chaisson is supposed to be good as a three down DE. I found this:

Chaisson is also effective against the run, which means he can be an every down player and not just a pass rush specialist. He has excellent gap discipline and plays with great leverage which allows him to hold his own at the point of attack and cause disruption in the backfield.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-lsu-klavon-chaisson/

I know I was beating the drum for him earlier but he really looks like a fit for a 3-4 team. Maybe that is us(sometimes).

We have not taken a defensive lineman in the first round for quite awhile. Patterson has been really good at developing mid to late rounders, but now he is the co-defensive coordinator. So his "fist pounding" may carry more weight for this draft. I don't know. Like I am beginning to say, I don't have a clue. Just I'm speculating.

He's had a lot to work with though.

-Inherited Grif in his prime
-Linval Hungary
-Sheldon Richardson
-Michael Pierce
-A freak in Hunter

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Malcolm Perry QB for Navy Rushed for over 2000 yards this year. He's also a dynamic pass receiver. he will be a WR or RB in the NFL. I want him on my Vikings.
The highlights are mind blowing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6i9M2p5oQ

7th or UDFA