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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Nice! Article a couple of months ago said it had been downgraded to a 4th. In a deep CB & WR draft, I really hope we get a impactful DT or IOL that falls to us. OR I hope trader Rick is aggressive in moving up if a Kinslaw drops to mid-teens (or some other similar scenario).

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Nice! Article a couple of months ago said it had been downgraded to a 4th. In a deep CB & WR draft, I really hope we get a impactful DT or IOL that falls to us. OR I hope trader Rick is aggressive in moving up if a Kinslaw drops to mid-teens (or some other similar scenario).

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Nice! Article a couple of months ago said it had been downgraded to a 4th. In a deep CB & WR draft, I really hope we get a impactful DT or IOL that falls to us. OR I hope trader Rick is aggressive in moving up if a Kinslaw drops to mid-teens (or some other similar scenario).

The extra 7th Rounders should keep Speilman on the attack, not moving back.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?

I would do it...Teddy looked good last year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?

I would do it...Teddy looked good last year.

That's not a bad idea

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.

That's an entire season when they've got a SB window, these don't always last.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.

That's an entire season when they've got a SB window, these don't always last.

When their current QB got them to the superbowl and has what 20 some career starts? Is cheaper, and it would require draft capital to obtain a new QB?

It's stoopid speculation.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

If they gave us pick 31 I'd do it and trade up and draft Jordan Love.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.

That's an entire season when they've got a SB window, these don't always last.

When their current QB got them to the superbowl and has what 20 some career starts? Is cheaper, and it would require draft capital to obtain a new QB?

It's stoopid speculation.

I agree with that. But IF they thought that Cousins was that piece that had them bringing the Lombardi home, I don't think they would balk over a 1st round pick and $6M to get him there in 2020 vs 2021, the alternative in effect (in their mind) throwing away a season of their SB window.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.

Supposedly, Shanahan loves Cousins from the time in Washington.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.

I'm not sure why people think Kirk is going to sign a deal that would give the Vikes cap relief.
He has been very consistent in saying he believes a player should get max value and fought for a a fully guaranteed contract.
Why would you expect him to do anything different going forward?

My guess is he is going to expect basically max money guaranteed which won't give the Vikes much, if any, cap relief.

It's another wart on Kirk as a QB... he does some really really good stuff but he certainly has baggage as well.

I'm hoping we somehow draft a qb that ends up being a franchise guy... you then have 5ish years to run at the superbowl with non qb cap issues.
Even after that... if the guy is good enough you can work with it... but I'm not excited about guys like Kirk or Brees (even Favre to some degree back in the day) that proiritize money over everything. I'm not expecting a 50% discount but guys like Brady/Mahomes who understand they can help the team build a winner are very very appealing.