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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/10/2020 5:25:03 PM   
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Yep, got pick #105 and a couple of 7th rounders. Not too shabby!

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/10/2020 5:47:17 PM   
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According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/10/2020 6:11:08 PM   
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According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp



Nice! Article a couple of months ago said it had been downgraded to a 4th. In a deep CB & WR draft, I really hope we get a impactful DT or IOL that falls to us. OR I hope trader Rick is aggressive in moving up if a Kinslaw drops to mid-teens (or some other similar scenario).

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/10/2020 6:17:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp



Nice! Article a couple of months ago said it had been downgraded to a 4th. In a deep CB & WR draft, I really hope we get a impactful DT or IOL that falls to us. OR I hope trader Rick is aggressive in moving up if a Kinslaw drops to mid-teens (or some other similar scenario).

The extra 7th Rounders should keep Speilman on the attack, not moving back.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 7:13:41 AM   
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This is different. It's not an attempt to predict what will actually happen, though.

Welcome to my first official Round 1 simulation of the 2020 draft season! My analytics-based mock is based solely on a contextual, data-driven model that aims to do one thing: maximize each team's potential to win as many games as possible in 2020.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001105216/article/cynthia-frelund-2020-nfl-mock-draft-who-would-analytics-pick

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 8:06:17 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp



Nice! Article a couple of months ago said it had been downgraded to a 4th. In a deep CB & WR draft, I really hope we get a impactful DT or IOL that falls to us. OR I hope trader Rick is aggressive in moving up if a Kinslaw drops to mid-teens (or some other similar scenario).



march 10, 2020...vikings.com

"The Vikings were awarded a third-round comp pick (the 105th overall selection), plus a pair of seventh-round selections (picks No. 249 and 253)."

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 1:14:04 PM   
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Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 1:31:36 PM   
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Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?


I would do it...Teddy looked good last year.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 3:24:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

According to the draft value chart, the pick 105 is worth more than the rest of our draft combined. (after that pick, I mean)

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp



Nice! Article a couple of months ago said it had been downgraded to a 4th. In a deep CB & WR draft, I really hope we get a impactful DT or IOL that falls to us. OR I hope trader Rick is aggressive in moving up if a Kinslaw drops to mid-teens (or some other similar scenario).

The extra 7th Rounders should keep Speilman on the attack, not moving back.

Lol. Or Rick might make enough trades so he has all 32 7th rd picks.

I don't think he's ever landed the "Mr Irrevelant" pick yet

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 3:27:35 PM   
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Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?


I would do it...Teddy looked good last year.

That's not a bad idea

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 4:26:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?


I would do it...Teddy looked good last year.

That's not a bad idea


I'm on board!
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 5:27:21 PM   
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Some wild talk on PA's show today. He was talking with Birk about FA and PA mentioned that a well respected ESPN Reporter said that SF covets Cousins and might trade for him. SF would only take a 4M dead cap hit for cutting Garropolo.

The talk turned to freeing up 31M while gaining at least a 1st Rounder. Then signing Teddy or some other FA QB.

Thoughts?


Well, Cousins would fit very well in S.F. and be very good for what they are trying to do on offense. I doubt it happens, but if I'm sitting in Ricks chair, I'd have to take a serious look at it if there was an offer! Teddy would be very welcome by the Vikings and their fan base, but like I mentioned, tough seeing that happen.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 6:40:00 PM   
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The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 8:50:54 PM   
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The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.


That's an entire season when they've got a SB window, these don't always last.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 9:26:09 PM   
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The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.


That's an entire season when they've got a SB window, these don't always last.



When their current QB got them to the superbowl and has what 20 some career starts? Is cheaper, and it would require draft capital to obtain a new QB?

It's stoopid speculation.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/11/2020 10:04:34 PM   
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The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.


That's an entire season when they've got a SB window, these don't always last.



When their current QB got them to the superbowl and has what 20 some career starts? Is cheaper, and it would require draft capital to obtain a new QB?

It's stoopid speculation.


I agree with that. But IF they thought that Cousins was that piece that had them bringing the Lombardi home, I don't think they would balk over a 1st round pick and $6M to get him there in 2020 vs 2021, the alternative in effect (in their mind) throwing away a season of their SB window.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 7:36:14 AM   
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If they gave us pick 31 I'd do it and trade up and draft Jordan Love.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 9:51:19 AM   
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If they gave us pick 31 I'd do it and trade up and draft Jordan Love.

And still get Teddy or Tannehill
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 10:28:43 AM   
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The idea that San Fran is going add 5 or 6M to salary cap and give up draft capital to make that switch is stooopid. They'll wait till next year when he's UFA.

I wasn't that impressed with Teddy's play last year. It would depend on what he's asking for. 20M/per or less- that can upgrade the rest of the team enough to make it worth considering. 25M and up, I'm not on board.


That's an entire season when they've got a SB window, these don't always last.



When their current QB got them to the superbowl and has what 20 some career starts? Is cheaper, and it would require draft capital to obtain a new QB?

It's stoopid speculation.


I agree with that. But IF they thought that Cousins was that piece that had them bringing the Lombardi home, I don't think they would balk over a 1st round pick and $6M to get him there in 2020 vs 2021, the alternative in effect (in their mind) throwing away a season of their SB window.


The last team to think he was that piece that had them bring the Lombardi home didn't get what they were expecting...

SF would be wiser to stick with Garapolo.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 10:34:32 AM   
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I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 12:30:22 PM   
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I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.

Supposedly, Shanahan loves Cousins from the time in Washington.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 1:52:53 PM   
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I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.

Supposedly, Shanahan loves Cousins from the time in Washington.


I don't think that's enough to overcome the cap issues, No trade clauses, compensation they'd have to give up etc to get Cousins and in the end, Cousins hasn't pushed the Vikings over the hump, they'd be fools to expect it to work there when it didn't here. and didn't in Washington.

So Coach man-love probably isn't enough to make a trade likely.

I am not saying I don't support it. Personally I like Cousins, but I am on a fence as to whether he's worth keeping other than cap concerns. It would be nice to get out from under the cap hit he's provided, but it's not like we can get another QB without incurring yet another large (possibly larger) cap hit than Cousins was giving us. There are QBs available but could be had for cheaper, I suppose like Teddy, But there is no guarantee we get him.

So What if we do this trade and end up with the only option being Jaimous Winston?

Love the moxy but he's a turnover machine.

I Think sticking with Cousins on a renegotiated deal might be the best option.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 8:20:24 PM   
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I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.


I'm not sure why people think Kirk is going to sign a deal that would give the Vikes cap relief.
He has been very consistent in saying he believes a player should get max value and fought for a a fully guaranteed contract.
Why would you expect him to do anything different going forward?

My guess is he is going to expect basically max money guaranteed which won't give the Vikes much, if any, cap relief.

It's another wart on Kirk as a QB... he does some really really good stuff but he certainly has baggage as well.

I'm hoping we somehow draft a qb that ends up being a franchise guy... you then have 5ish years to run at the superbowl with non qb cap issues.
Even after that... if the guy is good enough you can work with it... but I'm not excited about guys like Kirk or Brees (even Favre to some degree back in the day) that proiritize money over everything. I'm not expecting a 50% discount but guys like Brady/Mahomes who understand they can help the team build a winner are very very appealing.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 8:40:11 PM   
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I think it is far more likely that the Vikings get a renegotiated contract with Cousins for cap relief and extend him a couple years than trading with the 49ers. It seems odd they would be willing to take on Cousins cap hit along with a dead cap hit for releasing Garappolo. Jimmy G isn't that bad. he didn't have to throw much in the playoffs because their running game was insanely good. ANY coach would stick to the run if it is that effective as it is less risky and it controls the ball/clock. Jimmy G has a really good win/loss record as a starting QB.

I think if a trade were to occur part of the deal would be that Cousins and Jimmy G would swap teams. Then we wouldn't get nearly as much cap relief and likely little or no draft pick compensation.

All of this is considering that Cousins would be willing to waive his no trade clause.


I'm not sure why people think Kirk is going to sign a deal that would give the Vikes cap relief.
He has been very consistent in saying he believes a player should get max value and fought for a a fully guaranteed contract.
Why would you expect him to do anything different going forward?

My guess is he is going to expect basically max money guaranteed which won't give the Vikes much, if any, cap relief.

It's another wart on Kirk as a QB... he does some really really good stuff but he certainly has baggage as well.

I'm hoping we somehow draft a qb that ends up being a franchise guy... you then have 5ish years to run at the superbowl with non qb cap issues.
Even after that... if the guy is good enough you can work with it... but I'm not excited about guys like Kirk or Brees (even Favre to some degree back in the day) that proiritize money over everything. I'm not expecting a 50% discount but guys like Brady/Mahomes who understand they can help the team build a winner are very very appealing.


Because they'll guarantee another $90-110 million in the re-worked contract.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 3/12/2020 8:54:28 PM   
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Mike McCartney might be the best thing that ever happened to Cousins professional career.

They have a lot in common, and he has procured amazing results for his client.

I have no reason to believe that the Vikings have the upper hand in any Cousins transaction/negotiation.

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