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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/10/2020 9:01:11 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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50+ Yard Offensive Plays,
thru Week 13:

Vikings = 5
Chiefs + Buccaneers + Saints = 5


The Vikings have surrendered one play to opponents of 50+ yards.

This the best in the NFL thru 13 weeks.

Dustin Baker on Twitter


Really fortunate I don't bet on things.
Coulda lost a ton on that one.


So our defense doesn't give up the big plays and it's tough on third down. How come it's so crappy?

I guess it's the bend and then bend again defense.


Well we're 29th in 4th-down defense so that might be a thing.

Who says our defense doesn't give up big plays?

The definition of big plays is subject to context

We've given up the 3rd most explosive pass plays and have the worst explosive pass play percentage. We give up big plays.


We all have been watching the games and we know that overall it's been sucking.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

(Mark Twain on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/10/2020 9:25:54 PM   
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(Chris Tomasson on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/10/2020 9:50:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heard that Brady doesn't have much of an arm anymore. He still has his quick release, which is why he is still in the league. I suppose that if he gets rid of the ball so quickly then it doesn't work to have a great pass rush. The corners should play closer to the line and jump routes. I suppose Brady will make them pay for that, though.

I was reading that having good velocity on throwing footballs is "generated from the lower body" and that good footwork and hip rotation have as much to do with it as actual arm strength. Anyway, accuracy has to be just as important, or more important than arm strength and Brady does seem to put the ball where the receiver can catch it. He throws a "catchable ball".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/10/2020 10:29:32 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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1. QB Kirk Cousins ($29.542M)
2. WR Justin Jefferson ($17.191M)
3. WR Adam Thielen ($15.999M)
4. MLB Eric Kendricks ($15.767M)
5. RB Dalvin Cook ($15.669M)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/10/2020 11:29:21 PM   
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50+ Yard Offensive Plays,
thru Week 13:

Vikings = 5
Chiefs + Buccaneers + Saints = 5


The Vikings have surrendered one play to opponents of 50+ yards.

This the best in the NFL thru 13 weeks.

Dustin Baker on Twitter


Really fortunate I don't bet on things.
Coulda lost a ton on that one.


So our defense doesn't give up the big plays and it's tough on third down. How come it's so crappy?

I guess it's the bend and then bend again defense.


Well we're 29th in 4th-down defense so that might be a thing.

Who says our defense doesn't give up big plays?

The definition of big plays is subject to context

We've given up the 3rd most explosive pass plays and have the worst explosive pass play percentage. We give up big plays.


We all have been watching the games and we know that overall it's been sucking.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

(Mark Twain on Twitter)


That's Dustin Baker's thing. He looks for opportunistic places within the stats to find a sweet spot that casts the Vikings or particular players for the Vikings in the best possible light. If we use 40 yard plays instead of 50 yard plays the story suddenly looks different.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 6:03:00 AM   
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50+ Yard Offensive Plays,
thru Week 13:

Vikings = 5
Chiefs + Buccaneers + Saints = 5


The Vikings have surrendered one play to opponents of 50+ yards.

This the best in the NFL thru 13 weeks.

Dustin Baker on Twitter

You'd think we were 12-0

We must have givin up a bunch of 49 yard plays

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 6:33:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stupid Dustin...finding positives. I mean, this team battled back from the dead at 1 and 5. No positives to he found here.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 7:27:54 AM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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Status: offline 		Who says Kirk Cousins isn't clutch?

Cousins has completed 64% of his passes and averaged 11.1 yds/att when under pressure on 3rd down this season, both the best in the NFL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 7:46:49 AM   
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Stupid Dustin...finding positives. I mean, this team battled back from the dead at 1 and 5. No positives to he found here.


It just feels like he crosses the line of finding positives and being a propaganda machine.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 8:27:28 AM   
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Stupid Dustin...finding positives. I mean, this team battled back from the dead at 1 and 5. No positives to he found here.


It just feels like he crosses the line of finding positives and being a propaganda machine.

That's pretty much par for the course. From both directions positive and negative
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 9:21:52 AM   
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Stupid Dustin...finding positives. I mean, this team battled back from the dead at 1 and 5. No positives to he found here.


It just feels like he crosses the line of finding positives and being a propaganda machine.

That's pretty much par for the course. From both directions positive and negative


Now THAT is a 100% true statement.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 12:14:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it bad to present some surprising stats that shed light on a Vikings player or the Vikings team in a positive manner when most of us are struggling with disappointment? Or do most of us come here to find new reasons to be angry about how bad the team is doing?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 1:24:53 PM   
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Is it bad to present some surprising stats that shed light on a Vikings player or the Vikings team in a positive manner when most of us are struggling with disappointment? Or do most of us come here to find new reasons to be angry about how bad the team is doing?


If the stats need major manipulation and cherry-picking to appear positive then yes, it's bad.

Imagine I asked dentists if they think chewing Trident gum is good for the teeth and the answers were: no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no ,no, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, yes, yes, no, no, yes, no, no and no.

And then I made the claim that 'four out of five dentists say chewing Trident gum is good for the teeth'. Is that a good representation of the facts?

I might further ask, why do you feel the need to see stats manipulated to feel good? There's only the truth and the choice is yours as to whether you feel good about it or not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 1:58:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The stats are not manipulated. You are portraying as darkness which is light. In your example, saying four out of five dentists recommend the chewing gum is deceitful. Granted. There is no deceitfulness with these stats. They are intended to share something interesting and even a reason to appreciate my team a little more. That is a good thing- not a bad. But if you see it as bad, go ahead and block me. I wouldn't want you to feel manipulated.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 2:38:37 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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Status: offline 		Vikings are 6.5 point underdogs to the Bucs.

-Bruce Arians is 4-2 off bye
-Tom Brady is 14-4 off bye
-Zimmer is 1-3 vs Brady
-Vikings are 0-4 vs Brady

-Bucs have the #1 Run Def in the NFL
-Bucs are 2nd in the NFL in pressures (130)

Don't Care. Vikings by a thousand.

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Like this poster, I will not cast a blind eye to the bad, but will make more effort to see the beauty and goodness in my team. That's how I roll.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 2:57:06 PM   
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The stats are not manipulated. You are portraying as darkness which is light. In your example, saying four out of five dentists recommend the chewing gum is deceitful. Granted. There is no deceitfulness with these stats. They are intended to share something interesting and even a reason to appreciate my team a little more. That is a good thing- not a bad. But if you see it as bad, go ahead and block me. I wouldn't want you to feel manipulated.


Holy shit! How did get to here from where we were? Jesus.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 2:58:16 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 4:41:10 PM   
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Stupid Dustin...finding positives. I mean, this team battled back from the dead at 1 and 5. No positives to he found here.


It just feels like he crosses the line of finding positives and being a propaganda machine.



Hahaha

Says the Grim Reeper of negative.....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 6:23:01 PM   
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Stupid Dustin...finding positives. I mean, this team battled back from the dead at 1 and 5. No positives to he found here.


It just feels like he crosses the line of finding positives and being a propaganda machine.



Hahaha

Says the Grim Reeper of negative.....




If you only knew how much I hold back. 😬

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 6:39:36 PM   
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Stupid Dustin...finding positives. I mean, this team battled back from the dead at 1 and 5. No positives to he found here.


It just feels like he crosses the line of finding positives and being a propaganda machine.



Hahaha

Says the Grim Reeper of negative.....




If you only knew how much I hold back. 😬



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 7:28:45 PM   
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If #Vikings tight end Kyle Rudolph (foot) can't play Sunday at Tampa Bay, it would end his streak of having played in 93 straight regular-season games (he also has five playoff games in there). He last missed a game Dec. 21, 2014 at Miami.

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93 straight games and 74 Total YAC.
What a Stud.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/11/2020 10:33:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Best way to win this game is with pressure up the middle. Brady needs a clean pocket even more so than Cousins. If he has to move around in the pocket and has to throw off his back foot he can't get the zip he needs on his throws.

TB oline is similar to ours in that they are weak up the middle.

On offense we need to throw first to loosen them up so we can run a bit. If we try to establish the run first (against the #1 rushing d) we could be in for a long afternoon and even worse get Cook dinged up by running him into a pile of humanity over and over.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/12/2020 7:37:58 AM   
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Best way to win this game is with pressure up the middle. Brady needs a clean pocket even more so than Cousins. If he has to move around in the pocket and has to throw off his back foot he can't get the zip he needs on his throws.

TB oline is similar to ours in that they are weak up the middle.

On offense we need to throw first to loosen them up so we can run a bit. If we try to establish the run first (against the #1 rushing d) we could be in for a long afternoon and even worse get Cook dinged up by running him into a pile of humanity over and over.


Maybe our blitzes should be up the middle too.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/12/2020 8:08:25 AM   
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Best way to win this game is with pressure up the middle. Brady needs a clean pocket even more so than Cousins. If he has to move around in the pocket and has to throw off his back foot he can't get the zip he needs on his throws.

TB oline is similar to ours in that they are weak up the middle.

On offense we need to throw first to loosen them up so we can run a bit. If we try to establish the run first (against the #1 rushing d) we could be in for a long afternoon and even worse get Cook dinged up by running him into a pile of humanity over and over.


Maybe our blitzes should be up the middle too.

Time to bring the triple A gap blitz back using Smith too. I just hope Zim brings it early vs sitting bacK with a standard pass rush the first half.

Cousins needs to bring his A game as well.

GB game got flexed to the late afternoon game so I'm happy the vikes will be on in my area.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/12/2020 9:31:23 AM   
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