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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.

Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.

Diggs is gone, but one factor is our two tight end sets, which I like because it's tough for the defense to know in advance if the tight ends will be blocking or be pass receivers. I was wondering how often Irv Smith Jr. or perhaps a running back like Abdulah go wide with a wide receiver in the slot. Does that happen? That's no more wild than a Wildcat formation where the quarterback goes wide, but that's just a gadget play. Smith going wide might be viable and it would put a wide receiver who likes the slot in the slot. I don't know. I'm just rambling. I think the real point is that Thielen and Jefferson will have to go wide most of the time.

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Any interest in Ross. He could probably be had cheap.

Bengals declined the fifth-year option on WR John Ross for 2021.
This reality could lead to second-round pick Tee Higgins perhaps finding his way into three-WR sets sooner rather than later. Ross has totaled a pedestrian 49-716-10 receiving line in 24 games since entering the league in 2017. The former No. 9 overall pick has struggled to stay on the field, but flashed serious upside with 7-158-2 and 4-112-1 performances to start the 2019 season. Speed kills, and the man who once ran the 40-yard dash in 4.22 seconds will assuredly get a second chance elsewhere to find a consistent role.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
May 2, 2020, 5:34 PM ET

We'd have to trade for him since he's under contract this year. His salary is 2.8M. I would love his 4.22 speed but how often do we go 3 WR sets?

I don't think Bengals want to trade him and take another weapon from their rookie QB. 5th year option would have cost them 16M and guaranteed if injured. He hasn't produced enough to warrant that and they can always use the franchise tag if he turns it around.

Yeah I knew we had to trade for him, but since they declined the 5th year I thought they may be willing to let him go cheap. I'm shocked to hear that his 5th year would be $16 million. Bengals might be willing to trade him for something rather than lose him for nothing.

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Any interest in Ross. He could probably be had cheap.

Bengals declined the fifth-year option on WR John Ross for 2021.
This reality could lead to second-round pick Tee Higgins perhaps finding his way into three-WR sets sooner rather than later. Ross has totaled a pedestrian 49-716-10 receiving line in 24 games since entering the league in 2017. The former No. 9 overall pick has struggled to stay on the field, but flashed serious upside with 7-158-2 and 4-112-1 performances to start the 2019 season. Speed kills, and the man who once ran the 40-yard dash in 4.22 seconds will assuredly get a second chance elsewhere to find a consistent role.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
May 2, 2020, 5:34 PM ET

We'd have to trade for him since he's under contract this year. His salary is 2.8M. I would love his 4.22 speed but how often do we go 3 WR sets?

I don't think Bengals want to trade him and take another weapon from their rookie QB. 5th year option would have cost them 16M and guaranteed if injured. He hasn't produced enough to warrant that and they can always use the franchise tag if he turns it around.

Yeah I knew we had to trade for him, but since they declined the 5th year I thought they may be willing to let him go cheap. I'm shocked to hear that his 5th year would be $16 million. Bengals might be willing to trade him for something rather than lose him for nothing.

I think you are seeing a ton of this - teams not picking up the 5th option to avoid being locked in. I don't think it means they want to give players away for little. It's basically a 1 year prove it deal. I wouldn't trade Boyd if I'm the Bengals. And they don't have to lose him for nothing. They can use any tag and retain rights to trade him or resign him next year.

I do wonder if a 5th year option is not picked up and a player signs a big FA contract with another team, does that get you a comp pick?

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I do wonder if a 5th year option is not picked up and a player signs a big FA contract with another team, does that get you a comp pick?

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I do wonder if a 5th year option is not picked up and a player signs a big FA contract with another team, does that get you a comp pick?

I wondered the same and tried to Google it, but did not find anything. This would make a difference on what he could be traded for. If the team trading for him could get a comp pick if he left, he would be more valuable.

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I do wonder if a 5th year option is not picked up and a player signs a big FA contract with another team, does that get you a comp pick?

I wondered the same and tried to Google it, but did not find anything. This would make a difference on what he could be traded for. If the team trading for him could get a comp pick if he left, he would be more valuable.

Based on the following, it sounds like the team would receive a compensatory pick if they decline the 5th year option on a rookie contract. The same does not apply when a team declines a team option on a non-rookie contract (i.e., no compensatory pick):

https://overthecap.com/declined-team-options-will-no-longer-allow-players-to-become-compensatory-free-agents/

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I do wonder if a 5th year option is not picked up and a player signs a big FA contract with another team, does that get you a comp pick?

I wondered the same and tried to Google it, but did not find anything. This would make a difference on what he could be traded for. If the team trading for him could get a comp pick if he left, he would be more valuable.

Based on the following, it sounds like the team would receive a compensatory pick if they decline the 5th year option on a rookie contract. The same does not apply when a team declines a team option on a non-rookie contract (i.e., no compensatory pick):

https://overthecap.com/declined-team-options-will-no-longer-allow-players-to-become-compensatory-free-agents/

Your Google skills apparently exceed mine. Thank you. It appears that a team would received a comp pick as you say.

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.

Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.

Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.

You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

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Any interest in Ross. He could probably be had cheap.

Bengals declined the fifth-year option on WR John Ross for 2021.
This reality could lead to second-round pick Tee Higgins perhaps finding his way into three-WR sets sooner rather than later. Ross has totaled a pedestrian 49-716-10 receiving line in 24 games since entering the league in 2017. The former No. 9 overall pick has struggled to stay on the field, but flashed serious upside with 7-158-2 and 4-112-1 performances to start the 2019 season. Speed kills, and the man who once ran the 40-yard dash in 4.22 seconds will assuredly get a second chance elsewhere to find a consistent role.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
May 2, 2020, 5:34 PM ET

We'd have to trade for him since he's under contract this year. His salary is 2.8M. I would love his 4.22 speed but how often do we go 3 WR sets?

I don't think Bengals want to trade him and take another weapon from their rookie QB. 5th year option would have cost them 16M and guaranteed if injured. He hasn't produced enough to warrant that and they can always use the franchise tag if he turns it around.

Yeah I knew we had to trade for him, but since they declined the 5th year I thought they may be willing to let him go cheap. I'm shocked to hear that his 5th year would be $16 million. Bengals might be willing to trade him for something rather than lose him for nothing.

I think you are seeing a ton of this - teams not picking up the 5th option to avoid being locked in. I don't think it means they want to give players away for little. It's basically a 1 year prove it deal. I wouldn't trade Boyd if I'm the Bengals. And they don't have to lose him for nothing. They can use any tag and retain rights to trade him or resign him next year.

I do wonder if a 5th year option is not picked up and a player signs a big FA contract with another team, does that get you a comp pick?

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Any interest in Ross. He could probably be had cheap.

Bengals declined the fifth-year option on WR John Ross for 2021.
This reality could lead to second-round pick Tee Higgins perhaps finding his way into three-WR sets sooner rather than later. Ross has totaled a pedestrian 49-716-10 receiving line in 24 games since entering the league in 2017. The former No. 9 overall pick has struggled to stay on the field, but flashed serious upside with 7-158-2 and 4-112-1 performances to start the 2019 season. Speed kills, and the man who once ran the 40-yard dash in 4.22 seconds will assuredly get a second chance elsewhere to find a consistent role.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
May 2, 2020, 5:34 PM ET

We'd have to trade for him since he's under contract this year. His salary is 2.8M. I would love his 4.22 speed but how often do we go 3 WR sets?

I don't think Bengals want to trade him and take another weapon from their rookie QB. 5th year option would have cost them 16M and guaranteed if injured. He hasn't produced enough to warrant that and they can always use the franchise tag if he turns it around.

Yeah I knew we had to trade for him, but since they declined the 5th year I thought they may be willing to let him go cheap. I'm shocked to hear that his 5th year would be $16 million. Bengals might be willing to trade him for something rather than lose him for nothing.

I think you are seeing a ton of this - teams not picking up the 5th option to avoid being locked in. I don't think it means they want to give players away for little. It's basically a 1 year prove it deal. I wouldn't trade Boyd if I'm the Bengals. And they don't have to lose him for nothing. They can use any tag and retain rights to trade him or resign him next year.

I do wonder if a 5th year option is not picked up and a player signs a big FA contract with another team, does that get you a comp pick?

i'm surprised that the 5th year option is that much money - $16m...franchise tag for 2020 is $17.8m and transition tag is $15.7m...could the trans tag be a better/safer and possibly cheaper option?....

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.

Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.

You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.

Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.

You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

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Dustin Bsker:
Mike Zimer has coached 101 total games for the Vikings.

Of those 101 games, the opponent has passed for 300+ yards--10 times.

Or 9.9% of games.

This ranks #1 in the NFL since the start of 2014

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A lot of criticism over the years about Zim's old school philosophy of running and dtopping the run. Yet we have this and we've managed to be middle of pack passing at least.

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I listened for a few minutes and then stopped listening to an audio of Mackey and Judd talking about how Percy was overrated and it wouldn't be a wise to bring him back. On one hand they were making sense, but on the other I just don't get energy listening to that kind of negative talk. Well, I'm kind of negative with this post, aren't I.

So let me change the subject with this. If the Vikings play with throw back uniforms, I would like to see the ones from the 60's. Otherwise I'm open to a new design. Overall, I prefer the more simple and clean looking uniforms.

https://vikingscentralmn.com/2020/05/05/new-uniforms-for-the-minnesota-vikings/

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.

Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.

You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.

Why are you sticking your nose in this?

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What do the Vikings do with Udoh?

https://youtu.be/6Gs5UMwnauI

It says that he's a better fit for the right side. RG or RT and possibly what happens is that he beats out Samia for the RG position. That would still leave the LG position up in the air.

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.

Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.

You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.

Why are you sticking your nose in this?

Why are you. You replied to me. OP Bruce, reply Bigo, reply KG, reply Bigo.

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I listened for a few minutes and then stopped listening to an audio of Mackey and Judd talking about how Percy was overrated and it wouldn't be a wise to bring him back. On one hand they were making sense, but on the other I just don't get energy listening to that kind of negative talk. Well, I'm kind of negative with this post, aren't I.

So let me change the subject with this. If the Vikings play with throw back uniforms, I would like to see the ones from the 60's. Otherwise I'm open to a new design. Overall, I prefer the more simple and clean looking uniforms.

https://vikingscentralmn.com/2020/05/05/new-uniforms-for-the-minnesota-vikings/

They are not giving much credit to the Ponder one yard pass to Percy....he got beat to hell on the short pass.

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I listened for a few minutes and then stopped listening to an audio of Mackey and Judd talking about how Percy was overrated and it wouldn't be a wise to bring him back. On one hand they were making sense, but on the other I just don't get energy listening to that kind of negative talk. Well, I'm kind of negative with this post, aren't I.

So let me change the subject with this. If the Vikings play with throw back uniforms, I would like to see the ones from the 60's. Otherwise I'm open to a new design. Overall, I prefer the more simple and clean looking uniforms.

https://vikingscentralmn.com/2020/05/05/new-uniforms-for-the-minnesota-vikings/

They are not giving much credit to the Ponder one yard pass to Percy....he got beat to hell on the short pass.

Yes. The way we were using him was not sustainable.

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Dustin Bsker:
Mike Zimer has coached 101 total games for the Vikings.

Of those 101 games, the opponent has passed for 300+ yards--10 times.

Or 9.9% of games.

This ranks #1 in the NFL since the start of 2014

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A lot of criticism over the years about Zim's old school philosophy of running and dtopping the run. Yet we have this and we've managed to be middle of pack passing at least.

I wonder how many times our quarterbacks passed for over 300 yards during the same period.