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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Fauci is saying no football. I know none want to see this.

https://saraacarter.com/fauci-declares-football-cant-be-played-unless-players-are-essentially-in-a-bubble/amp/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-pug&__twitter_impression=true

I wonder why he would say this about football and not hockey or basketball as none of these sports work for any sort of social distancing. Seems pretty clear that the only way to play these sports is everyone gets tested every week.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I hate to say this, but I have been thinking all along that I don't see how there is NFL football this fall, and recent developments have only reinforced this POV. The union can protect players, unlike college football, and there is no escaping widespread infections on at least some teams (Clemson had 23 football players test positive this week). There is no distancing in a football lockerroom and creating a bubble like the NBA---which still might not work---is impossible with about 100 people minimum per team over a 20-week season. Huddles, blocking, tackle piles, bump-and-run---the sport is not just contact-oriented, it is face-to-face, with spit, snot, and now virus on uniforms, in the air, and projected directly into the faces of the players. Add in colder weather as the season goes on, indoor stadiums, training rooms, communal dining......I just don't see how that works.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I surf through Twitter for Vikings tidbits. Nothing. It seems that there is an election and other political issues. I'm not getting involved.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I hate to say this, but I have been thinking all along that I don't see how there is NFL football this fall, and recent developments have only reinforced this POV. The union can protect players, unlike college football, and there is no escaping widespread infections on at least some teams (Clemson had 23 football players test positive this week). There is no distancing in a football lockerroom and creating a bubble like the NBA---which still might not work---is impossible with about 100 people minimum per team over a 20-week season. Huddles, blocking, tackle piles, bump-and-run---the sport is not just contact-oriented, it is face-to-face, with spit, snot, and now virus on uniforms, in the air, and projected directly into the faces of the players. Add in colder weather as the season goes on, indoor stadiums, training rooms, communal dining......I just don't see how that works.

NFL and its teams have serious cash. They can test(15 minute results) these guys twice a day if they choose.

The only problem I see is there will teams gaining an advantage when some star players can't play 2 weeks in a row and then can play against other teams. Or if a whole position group becomes infected.

Practice squads should be expanded and you should be able to protect half, maybe all of them from getting sniped by other teams.

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

If, and I mean IF there is no football this year (and I think there will be), how will the league work out the draft next year? Will they pick teams at random from 1-32? Or, will they look at records from last season? Does anyone have any idea how they will work this out?

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I hate to say this, but I have been thinking all along that I don't see how there is NFL football this fall, and recent developments have only reinforced this POV. The union can protect players, unlike college football, and there is no escaping widespread infections on at least some teams (Clemson had 23 football players test positive this week). There is no distancing in a football lockerroom and creating a bubble like the NBA---which still might not work---is impossible with about 100 people minimum per team over a 20-week season. Huddles, blocking, tackle piles, bump-and-run---the sport is not just contact-oriented, it is face-to-face, with spit, snot, and now virus on uniforms, in the air, and projected directly into the faces of the players. Add in colder weather as the season goes on, indoor stadiums, training rooms, communal dining......I just don't see how that works.

NFL and its teams have serious cash. They can test(15 minute results) these guys twice a day if they choose.

The only problem I see is there will teams gaining an advantage when some star players can't play 2 weeks in a row and then can play against other teams. Or if a whole position group becomes infected.

Practice squads should be expanded and you should be able to protect half, maybe all of them from getting sniped by other teams.

Guys will be getting infected, period; they already are (TB had two guys test positive). MLB and college athletic programs are seeing problems, with facilities closing and players testing positive. Large portions of various teams will probably be held out of participation at times. It will be chaotic, and at some point probably sooner than later players will start opting out in significant numbers. There will be incentive for teams to withhold disclosure of positive tests for competitive reasons (cough, NE, cough, cough). Outrage will ensue the scenario you cite where an asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic player is held out.

I just see the whole endeavor eventually collapsing under its own weight if it gets going at all. Just an opinion based on the way events are playing out.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

If, and I mean IF there is no football this year (and I think there will be), how will the league work out the draft next year? Will they pick teams at random from 1-32? Or, will they look at records from last season? Does anyone have any idea how they will work this out?

I'm highly confident there will be NFL football this year. However, if it wasn't played I don't believe Cincinnati should be awarded the first pick again. IMO it should be some randomly generated luck of the draw.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is in response to McMurfy asking more detail about what it was like to get the virus.

I was watching my temperature with interest when it was elevated. I stayed home from work and told my family that they should stay away from me. I know my body was fighting as I watched the temperatures fluctuated, but when it persisted for a few days I had to get it tested. When the result came back and I learned that I tested positive it was a bit of a shock, but on the other end of the phone the voice was calm. She urged me to stay home in isolation. Most people get well on their own. She said that I should stay home as long the temperatures remained below 103, but I should use Tylenol with reservations because the higher temperatures enable the body to fight the disease. I got some information when I spoke with a nurse from my doctor's office. I also got a call from the Dept. of Health and they were calm with similar advice. I gathered that most people got well on their wn and so I was concerned, but hopeful. I have basically been healthy all of my life.

Here's where it get's dicey and I am relying on information from my family today. It took a turn for the worse. My stomach didn't feel right and the advice from my sister the dentist was to go to the emergency room at Fairview Ridges of Burnsville. I don't remember this, but the hospital was scornful to me that I was there. So I was sent home, but the very next day I became even sicker. I was really out of it and my family took me back with a lot concern. The hospital again was wondering why I returned just one more day, but soon realized that I was a sick dog. They had no rooms available, but arranged for Bethesda to take me. There a nurse from Albania told me later that they didn't mess around and recommended quickly to put me in the ventilator. I remember none of this, so I am piecing it together. The next thing I remembered was being in the ICU unit at Bethesda having no idea where I was. It didn't feel like a hospital until someone spoke to me after I woke up from a lot more sleeping.

They were early on about patients choking off the ventilator, so I was given a special diet of refined food after some counseling and testing I was gradually moved up in the recommendations Everything tasted awful. I couldn't stand the food and I picked on it. Doctors scolded me on two occasions that food provides the fuel for healing.

After being on the ventilator for (as it turns out to be just 19 days- I told you all earlier that it as about a month) I was physically and mentally very weak. I was saying wild things to my family and I needed help just to go to the bathroom. It's been a gradual process of getting better every day, but still I will be scheduled for many outpatient visits with mental health, occupational health and physical rehab.

Just typing this post, I am making many mistakes on the keyboard. I recognize that I still am in the midst of a longer recovery, but I am very happy to back at home with those I love.

Just one other point: my son said to me that when he took he me to the emergency room for the second time it looked like I was struggling to breathe an I was not responsive.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Back to Vikings. Sorry for the long link.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297759/james-lynch-day-3-picks-favorable-situations-minnesota-vikings?utm_campaign=dailynorseman&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is in response to McMurfy asking more detail about what it was like to get the virus.

I was watching my temperature with interest when it was elevated. I stayed home from work and told my family that they should stay away from me. I know my body was fighting as I watched the temperatures fluctuated, but when it persisted for a few days I had to get it tested. When the result came back and I learned that I tested positive it was a bit of a shock, but on the other end of the phone the voice was calm. She urged me to stay home in isolation. Most people get well on their own. She said that I should stay home as long the temperatures remained below 103, but I should use Tylenol with reservations because the higher temperatures enable the body to fight the disease. I got some information when I spoke with a nurse from my doctor's office. I also got a call from the Dept. of Health and they were calm with similar advice. I gathered that most people got well on their wn and so I was concerned, but hopeful. I have basically been healthy all of my life.

Here's where it get's dicey and I am relying on information from my family today. It took a turn for the worse. My stomach didn't feel right and the advice from my sister the dentist was to go to the emergency room at Fairview Ridges of Burnsville. I don't remember this, but the hospital was scornful to me that I was there. So I was sent home, but the very next day I became even sicker. I was really out of it and my family took me back with a lot concern. The hospital again was wondering why I returned just one more day, but soon realized that I was a sick dog. They had no rooms available, but arranged for Bethesda to take me. There a nurse from Albania told me later that they didn't mess around and recommended quickly to put me in the ventilator. I remember none of this, so I am piecing it together. The next thing I remembered was being in the ICU unit at Bethesda having no idea where I was. It didn't feel like a hospital until someone spoke to me after I woke up from a lot more sleeping.

They were early on about patients choking off the ventilator, so I was given a special diet of refined food after some counseling and testing I was gradually moved up in the recommendations Everything tasted awful. I couldn't stand the food and I picked on it. Doctors scolded me on two occasions that food provides the fuel for healing.

After being on the ventilator for (as it turns out to be just 19 days- I told you all earlier that it as about a month) I was physically and mentally very weak. I was saying wild things to my family and I needed help just to go to the bathroom. It's been a gradual process of getting better every day, but still I will be scheduled for many outpatient visits with mental health, occupational health and physical rehab.

Just typing this post, I am making many mistakes on the keyboard. I recognize that I still am in the midst of a longer recovery, but I am very happy to back at home with those I love.

Just one other point: my son said to me that when he took he me to the emergency room for the second time it looked like I was struggling to breathe an I was not responsive.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Back to Vikings. Sorry for the long link.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297759/james-lynch-day-3-picks-favorable-situations-minnesota-vikings?utm_campaign=dailynorseman&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Excellent link. I'm in favor of Lynch starting for the Vikings this year sooner or later. Here's an excerpt from the link

The 3-tech position for the Vikings was a barren wasteland in 2019. Starter Shamar Stephen was one of the most ineffective defensive linemen in the entire NFL and managed all of six pressures on 350 pass-rushing snaps. Conversely, Lynch led all of college football with 70 pressures on 501 pass-rushing snaps for Baylor last season. The Vikings didn’t add anyone else to address the position this offseason, meaning the path looks wide open for Lynch to take the job.
Lynch was ridiculously productive in college in his final year in Waco. He finished the season with 41 tackles, 19.5 tackles for loss, and 13.5 sacks en route to winning a ton of awards (Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year, and First-Team All-American honors). He also had three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, five passes defended, and even blocked two kicks.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Back to Vikings. Sorry for the long link.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297759/james-lynch-day-3-picks-favorable-situations-minnesota-vikings?utm_campaign=dailynorseman&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Excellent link. I'm in favor of Lynch starting for the Vikings this year sooner or later. Here's an excerpt from the link

The 3-tech position for the Vikings was a barren wasteland in 2019. Starter Shamar Stephen was one of the most ineffective defensive linemen in the entire NFL and managed all of six pressures on 350 pass-rushing snaps. Conversely, Lynch led all of college football with 70 pressures on 501 pass-rushing snaps for Baylor last season. The Vikings didn’t add anyone else to address the position this offseason, meaning the path looks wide open for Lynch to take the job.
Lynch was ridiculously productive in college in his final year in Waco. He finished the season with 41 tackles, 19.5 tackles for loss, and 13.5 sacks en route to winning a ton of awards (Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year, and First-Team All-American honors). He also had three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, five passes defended, and even blocked two kicks.

Sounds like the next Chris Hovan

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Back to Vikings. Sorry for the long link.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297759/james-lynch-day-3-picks-favorable-situations-minnesota-vikings?utm_campaign=dailynorseman&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Excellent link. I'm in favor of Lynch starting for the Vikings this year sooner or later. Here's an excerpt from the link

The 3-tech position for the Vikings was a barren wasteland in 2019. Starter Shamar Stephen was one of the most ineffective defensive linemen in the entire NFL and managed all of six pressures on 350 pass-rushing snaps. Conversely, Lynch led all of college football with 70 pressures on 501 pass-rushing snaps for Baylor last season. The Vikings didn’t add anyone else to address the position this offseason, meaning the path looks wide open for Lynch to take the job.
Lynch was ridiculously productive in college in his final year in Waco. He finished the season with 41 tackles, 19.5 tackles for loss, and 13.5 sacks en route to winning a ton of awards (Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year, and First-Team All-American honors). He also had three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, five passes defended, and even blocked two kicks.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Back to Vikings. Sorry for the long link.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297759/james-lynch-day-3-picks-favorable-situations-minnesota-vikings?utm_campaign=dailynorseman&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Excellent link. I'm in favor of Lynch starting for the Vikings this year sooner or later. Here's an excerpt from the link

The 3-tech position for the Vikings was a barren wasteland in 2019. Starter Shamar Stephen was one of the most ineffective defensive linemen in the entire NFL and managed all of six pressures on 350 pass-rushing snaps. Conversely, Lynch led all of college football with 70 pressures on 501 pass-rushing snaps for Baylor last season. The Vikings didn’t add anyone else to address the position this offseason, meaning the path looks wide open for Lynch to take the job.
Lynch was ridiculously productive in college in his final year in Waco. He finished the season with 41 tackles, 19.5 tackles for loss, and 13.5 sacks en route to winning a ton of awards (Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year, and First-Team All-American honors). He also had three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, five passes defended, and even blocked two kicks.

By PFF’s charting he lined up outside the tackle on ~65% of his snaps, over the tackle (5-tech) ~20%, and inside (A gap or B gap) ~20%. He was far more effective as a pass rusher off the edge than as a DT.

IMO he's another Jayln Holmes until he proves otherwise. I think we see a rotation of Watts, Maatafa and Shamar.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is in response to McMurfy asking more detail about what it was like to get the virus.

I was watching my temperature with interest when it was elevated. I stayed home from work and told my family that they should stay away from me. I know my body was fighting as I watched the temperatures fluctuated, but when it persisted for a few days I had to get it tested. When the result came back and I learned that I tested positive it was a bit of a shock, but on the other end of the phone the voice was calm. She urged me to stay home in isolation. Most people get well on their own. She said that I should stay home as long the temperatures remained below 103, but I should use Tylenol with reservations because the higher temperatures enable the body to fight the disease. I got some information when I spoke with a nurse from my doctor's office. I also got a call from the Dept. of Health and they were calm with similar advice. I gathered that most people got well on their wn and so I was concerned, but hopeful. I have basically been healthy all of my life.

Here's where it get's dicey and I am relying on information from my family today. It took a turn for the worse. My stomach didn't feel right and the advice from my sister the dentist was to go to the emergency room at Fairview Ridges of Burnsville. I don't remember this, but the hospital was scornful to me that I was there. So I was sent home, but the very next day I became even sicker. I was really out of it and my family took me back with a lot concern. The hospital again was wondering why I returned just one more day, but soon realized that I was a sick dog. They had no rooms available, but arranged for Bethesda to take me. There a nurse from Albania told me later that they didn't mess around and recommended quickly to put me in the ventilator. I remember none of this, so I am piecing it together. The next thing I remembered was being in the ICU unit at Bethesda having no idea where I was. It didn't feel like a hospital until someone spoke to me after I woke up from a lot more sleeping.

They were early on about patients choking off the ventilator, so I was given a special diet of refined food after some counseling and testing I was gradually moved up in the recommendations Everything tasted awful. I couldn't stand the food and I picked on it. Doctors scolded me on two occasions that food provides the fuel for healing.

After being on the ventilator for (as it turns out to be just 19 days- I told you all earlier that it as about a month) I was physically and mentally very weak. I was saying wild things to my family and I needed help just to go to the bathroom. It's been a gradual process of getting better every day, but still I will be scheduled for many outpatient visits with mental health, occupational health and physical rehab.

Just typing this post, I am making many mistakes on the keyboard. I recognize that I still am in the midst of a longer recovery, but I am very happy to back at home with those I love.

Just one other point: my son said to me that when he took he me to the emergency room for the second time it looked like I was struggling to breathe an I was not responsive.

Hey Bruce, tough time for sure, glad you are through the worst of it. You mentioned that you had been basically healthy, did the medical staff identify/mention/hint at an underlying health condition in your case?

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Back to Vikings. Sorry for the long link.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297759/james-lynch-day-3-picks-favorable-situations-minnesota-vikings?utm_campaign=dailynorseman&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Excellent link. I'm in favor of Lynch starting for the Vikings this year sooner or later. Here's an excerpt from the link

The 3-tech position for the Vikings was a barren wasteland in 2019. Starter Shamar Stephen was one of the most ineffective defensive linemen in the entire NFL and managed all of six pressures on 350 pass-rushing snaps. Conversely, Lynch led all of college football with 70 pressures on 501 pass-rushing snaps for Baylor last season. The Vikings didn’t add anyone else to address the position this offseason, meaning the path looks wide open for Lynch to take the job.
Lynch was ridiculously productive in college in his final year in Waco. He finished the season with 41 tackles, 19.5 tackles for loss, and 13.5 sacks en route to winning a ton of awards (Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year, and First-Team All-American honors). He also had three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, five passes defended, and even blocked two kicks.

By PFF’s charting he lined up outside the tackle on ~65% of his snaps, over the tackle (5-tech) ~20%, and inside (A gap or B gap) ~20%. He was far more effective as a pass rusher off the edge than as a DT.

IMO he's another Jayln Holmes until he proves otherwise. I think we see a rotation of Watts, Maatafa and Shamar.