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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 12:25:08 PM  1 votes
Tom Sykes

 

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I thought this was a "Covid 19 and those infected" thread?


I can't believe you let KG take you out!

Come on, man!

I didn't come to the thread to see my stuff get fabricated and embellished so that some guy can push his agenda. Not enough hours in the day.


Yet that's exactly what happened.

When Brad said count me in for whatever it takes to bring about positive change (even actions that had zero chance of bringing about positive change) I called him on it. No fabrication or embellishment. I quoted him. I have no agenda.

Bullshit. You absolutely have an agenda every time you post and its transparent to most here, at least it seems that way to me. Its a Dillon Mitchell approach to comprehending football/politics/etc (‘I know what I know Duh ... your facts mean nothing even when their reality is hitting me over the head’) has become an absolute drag on every discussion.

Your answer to posters getting fed up with your crap is that they are being ugly. There are posters here that hold opinions I cannot stand and cannot sway one centimeter towards my own right or wrong opinion. Insults have been exchanged. Big deal, everybody wants to be right. You take that to a whole different level of obtuseness.

While you’re at it, try backing up your opinions with something more substantial than half-cocked conservative media hearsay (yeah just admit where you stand on that as well). There is plenty of conservative opinion out there that is valid / well-reasoned and important to balance valid / well-reasoned liberal opinion. Not being interested in politics is no excuse - if you are going to engage in those discussions - for declaring the certitude of ignorant opinions.

Rant over with apologies to the board for being an old long winded curmudgeon - I speak only for myself even if it doesnt broadcast that way.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 12:33:06 PM   
Brad H


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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Chaos and divide in the streets are the liberals.

So the 17 year old starting a fire or busting a window is a "liberal".

Or perhaps someone here thinks protests are "chaos".

Either way.... WOW!

Some of these people aren't interested in finding out why people are in the streets protesting. As if 200 years of neglect and institutional racism never existed.

They view the world through the lens of an old John Wayne movie. You know, just pull yourself up by the old bootstraps and dust yourself off. I've got a newsflash for them, that world exists for very few people. The ones that finally get out are the exception, not the rule.

It's a very black and white view of the world. Unfortunately, there is a lot of grey and they miss almost all of it.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 12:33:23 PM  1 votes
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 12:41:14 PM   
Brad H


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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.

That is American politics. When you've got a blowhard on the other side making comments about injecting bleach, let him keep talking.

I would disagree with you on the 4-corners analogy. Hillary was too often a loudmouth and often times offensive. Her comments about Trump's followers being a basket of deplorables is a perfect example. Biden has done exactly what he should. Point out the differences and don't get into a mudslinging match. Let Trump do the heavy lifting.

Like it or not, Biden has run a much better campaign than Hillary so far. It's quiet, but much more calculated. After 3.5+ years of chaos and turmoil, people are looking for quiet. I know I am.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 8/14/2020 12:45:03 PM >


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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 12:46:28 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.

That is American politics. When you've got a blowhard on the other side making comments about injecting bleach, let him keep talking.

I would disagree with you on the 4-corners analogy. Hillary was too often a loudmouth and often times offensive. Her comments about Trump's followers being a basket of deplorables is a perfect example. Biden has done exactly what he should. Point out the differences and don't get into a mudslinging match. Let Trump do the heavy lifting.

Independents want to see if he can handle the job. The bases have their minds made up.

Media already starting to push just VP Debates, no Presidential Debates. I wonder why.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 12:57:53 PM   
Brad H


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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.

That is American politics. When you've got a blowhard on the other side making comments about injecting bleach, let him keep talking.

I would disagree with you on the 4-corners analogy. Hillary was too often a loudmouth and often times offensive. Her comments about Trump's followers being a basket of deplorables is a perfect example. Biden has done exactly what he should. Point out the differences and don't get into a mudslinging match. Let Trump do the heavy lifting.

Independents want to see if he can handle the job. The bases have their minds made up.

Media already starting to push just VP Debates, no Presidential Debates. I wonder why.

I'm a registered Independent (actually, no party affiliation in California). I just want an adult.

I liken it to a football coach. After losing a game, a good coach will address the media by telling them that the coaches did not prepare the team well enough to win. He will take some blame and culpability. After a win a good coach will give credit to his players for carrying out and executing the game plan. Donald Trump does neither. He takes credit for everything and no shows no culpability whatsoever when things go astray. He's constantly pointing his fingers at others, even when it is from his own team. That's not leadership.

Trump was given the best hand ever with the Coronavirus. For a politician, that's like reaching into your pocket and finding gold. All the guy had to do was go in front of the camera, show some empathy and tell the American public that everything was going to be okay. Show the flag and rally the country behind a common cause. It's like getting dealt a pair of aces. With 9/11, even George Bush was able to pull it off.

Why? Because Trump's not an effective leader. Stick him in a business and he has a chance of surviving and winning the day. But this ain't a board meeting and this isn't a business. It's America, where people have different core values and a wide variety of choices. A withering democracy with a big decision ahead.

The lifelong snakeoil salesman that has swindled people out of their paychecks for 50 years was not the best option for me four years ago, and is even less enticing four years later.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 8/14/2020 1:25:50 PM >


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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:12:51 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.



Re hiding in the basement above, IMO Biden set a good example with doing virtual stuff and wearing a mask. Unlike some of the jackwagons who trounced around places like the Mayo Clinic intentionally not wearing a mask.

He will probably be campaigning... plenty of time for questions and answers.

And trump either
1. Gets softballs tossed his way on Faux News (and recently one led to a weird lengthy rant on Nobel prizes and whatnot... you read that right?)
2. Outright blows off answering hard questions or goes into a string of lies type answer.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 8/14/2020 1:17:01 PM >
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:28:23 PM  1 votes
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

quote:

My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.



Re hiding in the basement above, IMO Biden set a good example with doing virtual stuff and wearing a mask. Unlike some of the jackwagons who trounced around places like the Mayo Clinic intentionally not wearing a mask.

He will probably be campaigning... plenty of time for questions and answers.

And trump either
1. Gets softballs tossed his way on Faux News (and recently one led to a weird lengthy rant on Nobel prizes and whatnot... you read that right?)
2. Outright blows off answering hard questions or goes into a string of lies type answer.

Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.

Biden would wear out his "Come On, Mans" in the 1st 15 minutes if he had to take a barrage of questions from antagonists.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:38:48 PM   
David Levine


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Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.



That's not even close to being true.

His entire "press conferences" are farces with mostly softball questions - and even those its 50/50 that his answer will have anything to do with the actual question asked.

That's why its actually news when someone asks him a tough question. Not that he ever answers those ones.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:46:34 PM   
Brad H


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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

quote:

My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.



Re hiding in the basement above, IMO Biden set a good example with doing virtual stuff and wearing a mask. Unlike some of the jackwagons who trounced around places like the Mayo Clinic intentionally not wearing a mask.

He will probably be campaigning... plenty of time for questions and answers.

And trump either
1. Gets softballs tossed his way on Faux News (and recently one led to a weird lengthy rant on Nobel prizes and whatnot... you read that right?)
2. Outright blows off answering hard questions or goes into a string of lies type answer.

Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.

Biden would wear out his "Come On, Mans" in the 1st 15 minutes if he had to take a barrage of questions from antagonists.

Although this may or may not be true, there's an effective means of a communications and an ineffective way. He's had 3.5+ years to improve and perfect the craft.

It's like our earlier conversation in this thread about kgdabomb. Trump has total control of how he wants to react. If you start by calling the media Fake News, you have already given up any hope for a clean fight. You will always catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. If you want the media to treat you with civility, show some civility. One of his campaign hallmarks in 2016 was branding the media as Fake News. They didn't come up with that, he did. At the end of the day, he's not interested in civility. Never has been. Never will be.

Look, Donald Trump has had four years to prove himself a leader. Whether it was the economy, the Coronavirus, social unrest, race relations, international relations, border security, immigration reform or showing leadership, IMO, he has been an abject failure at every turn. But then again, that is based upon my values.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:46:44 PM  1 votes
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Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.



That's not even close to being true.

His entire "press conferences" are farces with mostly softball questions - and even those its 50/50 that his answer will have anything to do with the actual question asked.

That's why its actually news when someone asks him a tough question. Not that he ever answers those ones.

That's your slanted view. I'll give you 50% antagonistic.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:53:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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My experience with conservatives is they are respectful.


Wow! I want to have a peek at the fantasyland you visit. Watch the crowds at Trump's rallies for the perfect visual of thousands of people who shake their fists at anyone who isn't just like them. And they win the prize for name-calling and vulgarity. If that's being respectful we truly have entered the Twilight Zone.

I have never experienced a Trump Rally. I have experienced Mark Anderson, Mr. Ed, Unome, and many others on this message board. They are almost always respectful. I have experienced Bill Johanssen, Bohumm, David LeVine, just today this Eagle person. They are extremely disrespectful. Until now you have mostly been respectful, but your comment to me today was anything but respectful and no it wasn't the facts. I'm very capable of understanding. Extremely. I just don't trust almost anything I hear when it comes to politics. So I don't come to the conclusion that Trump is a racist and I also don't come to the conclusion that Biden is a racist despite recent allegations about him being a KKK sympathizer and supporter. Despite his alleged comments about Indians and 7-11. I don't have the context.

BStinger is a liberal who's respectful most of the time. Possibly carrying the respectful torch for every liberal on this message board.

There's an old saying I recommend you reading up on. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

If you are indeed interested in getting people to listen to your agenda, you may want to take a different approach. Otherwise, you are just burning time away from your life on the Talk Vikes threads.

Honestly have never heard that before.

Our country needs to adopt that slogan. But, Centrist people don't get ratings or rile people up enough.

It's a strange country we live in right now. The only thing I want in my next president is an adult. That would be a good start. We can worry about the particulars once it happens.

It's a high standard these days.

Adults answer the tough questions, not softball rehearsed questions. They don't hide in the basement. Covid is not a good excuse. Plenty of politicians(R & D) out and about and probably have 100X the safeguards that the average American has.

You and I would disagree on that point. The adult thing to do right now is treat the virus with the respect it deserves. They've done it in other countries and had success. It's a once in a 100-year event. We seem to be on our way to making it a once in 244-year event.

Perhaps you should ask the Herman Cain family how they feel about politicians making public appearances during a pandemic.

Then answer some tough questions virtually. He won't do it because his handlers won't let him.

Hillary tried the 4 corners approach and it didn't work. This is 4 corners on steroids.



Re hiding in the basement above, IMO Biden set a good example with doing virtual stuff and wearing a mask. Unlike some of the jackwagons who trounced around places like the Mayo Clinic intentionally not wearing a mask.

He will probably be campaigning... plenty of time for questions and answers.

And trump either
1. Gets softballs tossed his way on Faux News (and recently one led to a weird lengthy rant on Nobel prizes and whatnot... you read that right?)
2. Outright blows off answering hard questions or goes into a string of lies type answer.

Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.

Biden would wear out his "Come On, Mans" in the 1st 15 minutes if he had to take a barrage of questions from antagonists.

Although this may or may not be true, there's an effective means of a communications and an ineffective way. He's had 3.5+ years to improve and perfect the craft.

It's like our earlier conversation in this thread about kgdabomb. Trump has total control of how he wants to react. If you start by calling the media Fake News, you have already given up any hope for a clean fight. You will always catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. If you want the media to treat you with civility, show some civility. One of his campaign hallmarks in 2016 was branding the media as Fake News. They didn't come up with that, he did. At the end of the day, he's not interested in civility. Never has been. Never will be.

Look, Donald Trump has had four years to prove himself a leader. Whether it was the economy, the Coronavirus, social unrest, race relations, international relations, border security, immigration reform or showing leadership, IMO, he has been an abject failure at every turn. But then again, that is based upon my values.


Give the man a break, after all "He's (still) not a politician."

Kind of statement up there with the low life who tried to get 1/2 of the donations to, then filed a discrimination lawsuit against, that Starbucks barista who wouldn't serve her non-mask wearing face: "I have mask acne."
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:55:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.



That's not even close to being true.

His entire "press conferences" are farces with mostly softball questions - and even those its 50/50 that his answer will have anything to do with the actual question asked.

That's why its actually news when someone asks him a tough question. Not that he ever answers those ones.

That's your slanted view. I'll give you 50% antagonistic.


Call it 57%, which represents the percentage of Americans who know he's a lying scumbag.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:56:57 PM  1 votes
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I'm taking my talents to the Politics thread.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 1:57:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.



That's not even close to being true.

His entire "press conferences" are farces with mostly softball questions - and even those its 50/50 that his answer will have anything to do with the actual question asked.

That's why its actually news when someone asks him a tough question. Not that he ever answers those ones.

That's your slanted view. I'll give you 50% antagonistic.


Finally yesterday someone called him out on his outright lying and he just ignored him and went on to the next planted softball tosser.

Trump has 3 modes:

1: Attack
2: Lie
3: Stream of consciousness ramble.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 2:08:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Say what you want about his answers but 75% of the questions he takes(as a whole)are from antagonists.



That's not even close to being true.

His entire "press conferences" are farces with mostly softball questions - and even those its 50/50 that his answer will have anything to do with the actual question asked.

That's why its actually news when someone asks him a tough question. Not that he ever answers those ones.

That's your slanted view. I'll give you 50% antagonistic.


Finally yesterday someone called him out on his outright lying and he just ignored him and went on to the next planted softball tosser.

Trump has 3 modes:

1: Attack
2: Lie
3: Stream of consciousness ramble.

Of course he's lying. How can you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 6:24:38 PM  1 votes
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Why should Trump get some kind of special softball treatment from journalists? EVERY president gets asked mostly tough questions. Journalists have no interest in asking easy questions that have obvious or friendly answers. They're interested in the strategies, the reasons behind decisions, the plans for what's ahead, etc. If Trump finds those questions antagonistic then he should just quit his job.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 6:55:44 PM   
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Why should Trump get some kind of special softball treatment from journalists? EVERY president gets asked mostly tough questions. Journalists have no interest in asking easy questions that have obvious or friendly answers. They're interested in the strategies, the reasons behind decisions, the plans for what's ahead, etc. If Trump finds those questions antagonistic then he should just quit his job.

The guy has no excuses, but makes up a lot of them. For a guy who likes to posture himself as an iron man, he does a hell of a lot of whining.

He's had plenty of opportunity to act like an adult. He chooses not to. He's made his own bed......

Honestly, I have no idea why the guy would want to get reelected. He's got maybe five good years left of playing golf. Take advantage of what you have left. Serving the general public is obviously something he isn't interested in.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 7:10:24 PM   
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You act like he doesn't get enough golf in the way it is - and did you see his ride to the golf course?

ha ha
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/14/2020 9:37:06 PM   
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I thought this was a "Covid 19 and those infected" thread?


I can't believe you let KG take you out!

Come on, man!

I didn't come to the thread to see my stuff get fabricated and embellished so that some guy can push his agenda. Not enough hours in the day.


Yet that's exactly what happened.

When Brad said count me in for whatever it takes to bring about positive change (even actions that had zero chance of bringing about positive change) I called him on it. No fabrication or embellishment. I quoted him. I have no agenda.

Bullshit. You absolutely have an agenda every time you post and its transparent to most here, at least it seems that way to me. Its a Dillon Mitchell approach to comprehending football/politics/etc (‘I know what I know Duh ... your facts mean nothing even when their reality is hitting me over the head’) has become an absolute drag on every discussion.

Your answer to posters getting fed up with your crap is that they are being ugly. There are posters here that hold opinions I cannot stand and cannot sway one centimeter towards my own right or wrong opinion. Insults have been exchanged. Big deal, everybody wants to be right. You take that to a whole different level of obtuseness.

While you’re at it, try backing up your opinions with something more substantial than half-cocked conservative media hearsay (yeah just admit where you stand on that as well). There is plenty of conservative opinion out there that is valid / well-reasoned and important to balance valid / well-reasoned liberal opinion. Not being interested in politics is no excuse - if you are going to engage in those discussions - for declaring the certitude of ignorant opinions.

Rant over with apologies to the board for being an old long winded curmudgeon - I speak only for myself even if it doesnt broadcast that way.

I decided to wait all day before responding to this.
First of all, like most people I don't like being attacked. I don't believe I did anything to deserve being attacked. I don't like people thinking they know what I'm thinking. No Tom I don't have any agenda. You posted about me and conservative media hearsay. Nope. I never listen to any media. It's not possible for me to be influenced by it. I've always said I lean conservative and i do. However, I truly hate the Republican party. They spread massive amounts of lies. Just a few less IMO than the Democrats. All these parties care about is winning. I think it's good for both Democrats and Republicans to hear from a person like me. A person who is not caught up in all their politics and propaganda.

Lynn if I just accepted all the propaganda as being fact then I would have no problem understanding whatever it is you think I should understand. I don't accept anything I hear from a politically motivated person as being true. I'm sure some of the things they say are true, but I'm not up to spending insane amount of time trying to figure out what to believe and what not to. I don't figure I have an obligation to do so.

Since I don't like being attacked I shouldn't attack others either. I acknowledge I attacked Brad. Some people claim I am misrepresenting his opinions. I don't see how I did. Here is his exact quote if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. He supports looting and rioting for sure. Aren't burning and murder part of the riots. How can he say he supports the riots and then act like he isn't supporting those results of the riots. Now his exact words after count me in are I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic. I'm glad he didn't take joy in watching the events, but it still leaves him in support of the looting and rioting. Maybe he only supports the portion of the rioting that doesn't include burning and murder. I'm listening Brad if you care to explain.

Sorry for the mean things I said about you all. They were mean without a doubt. You are probably all decent people. This is why I don't get involved in politics much and when I do it is almost always asking the politically active types to chill out. This is an apology and I know it's not a good apology, but it's the best I can do.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/15/2020 12:49:05 AM   
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This one's for Bill J.

KG: "I don't follow politics."

Also KG: "On the other hand I bet it would take a 6 page typed document to print all the good things that Trump has done for minorities."

You're either talking out of your ass or straight lying. Which is it?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/15/2020 4:23:09 AM  1 votes
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Since I don't like being attacked I shouldn't attack others either. I acknowledge I attacked Brad. Some people claim I am misrepresenting his opinions. I don't see how I did. Here is his exact quote if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. He supports looting and rioting for sure. Aren't burning and murder part of the riots. How can he say he supports the riots and then act like he isn't supporting those results of the riots. Now his exact words after count me in are I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic. I'm glad he didn't take joy in watching the events, but it still leaves him in support of the looting and rioting. Maybe he only supports the portion of the rioting that doesn't include burning and murder. I'm listening Brad if you care to explain.


Okay, so I am going to take a shot at this.

First off I am going to say a few things, because apparently I did not make my point clear enough in the original post for guys like kgdabom.

As a general rule, I do not support looting. As a general rule, I do not support rioting. Lets be clear on that. I don't sit back and wait for an opportunity to see someone looting or rioting. It's neither something I take great pride or joy in seeing. Is that clear?

At the same time, I do not support war. I don't wish it on anyone. But I understand at times that it is a necessary evil.

I also don't like process of getting Novocaine when I go to the dentist, but if it is going to dull the pain when at the dentist office you can use my cheek like a dart board.

Having said that, institutional racism has existed in this country for over 200 years. Despite countless attempts through nonviolent measures to try and alleviate or eliminate it, it still exists today nearly as much as it did 40 years ago. Denying that is akin to burying your head in the sand. The George Floyd incident was just another chapter of a book that has played out in this country for 200+ years. It is common place. It is evil. It is inexcusable.

In response to the George Floyd event, the people finally said enough is enough. Despite countless attempts through nonviolent measures to improve the societal norms, they took to the streets in a different manner. With most people protesting in a non-violent manner, some got carried away and burned buildings, looted businesses and unfortunately, some died. Most would agree that that is a fairly accurate description of what happened, would they not? For those that were in the politics thread of Talk Vikes, they know that I instantly called it a revolution. Some disagreed, but most didn't. As the protesting headed into week three, nobody was left to deny it.

The events lasted for quite some time, and took root throughout the nation and even around the world. What has come out of it has been some real change. Things that some thought would never change, have suddenly changed. Statues have fallen. Flags have been deemed racist in nature. The act of kneeling during the anthem was approved by the NBA. Soccer teams in Europe even kneeled during their own anthems. Choke holds by the police have been banned in many states. Some cities are looking at decreasing police funding and holding them more accountable. Historic professional teams have even changed their names. And on and on and on.

Is there anybody out there that thinks any of those things would have changed without the riots and protests? Because, with all due respect, I don't, and I think it's a little naive to think otherwise.

So, having said all that, I believe that the ends justify the means when it comes to this particular instance (< key statement underlined). It doesn't mean that I support looting. It doesn't mean that I support rioting. It doesn't mean that I support burning down businesses. When taken out of context to push an agenda, it may appear that way. But for those that know me best, they know exactly what I meant and have even so much as come in here to defend me.

What upsets me more than anything in this country is the lack of empathy towards the underrepresented. I've spent nearly my entire adult life getting to know the people of the city and their struggles. I've sat down and had dinner with them. I've had extended conversations. I've gone to events with them. In short, I've gotten to know them. So when something like the George Floyd incident happens, I feel their extended pain. It's this little thing called humanity. You may have heard of it.

So again I ask the question, was the looting and rioting worth it? Buildings were burned and businesses were lost, but good things came out of it. People's lives were altered. Unfortunately, a few people died. Many would say the very same thing about World War II. The ends justified the means. I would hope that we could get to a point in this country when it didn't have to come to that. Unfortunately, we are still a young country and have a lot of issues that have gone unaddressed due to a lack of humanity.

In short, the people of this country have had 240+ years to get it right. Which side of history do you want to stand on? I know which side I stand on, and I suffer no embarrassment in saying that the protests of 2020 were one of the bright spots in what was an otherwise shitty year. I feel sorry for those that lost their businesses. I take zero joy in those that lost their lives. But I do take a lot of pride in knowing that we saw a huge shift in the attitude towards institutional racism. It gives a glimmer of hope, in what was mostly a hopeless year. It once again proves that good things can come out of bad events. It's all a matter of perspective.

Now, for my critics, go ahead and grab one sentence or comment and blow it out of context to make it into something that supports your narrative. I feel no further need to defend myself. I've explained how I feel. It is here for everyone to see.

And for what it's worth, any one-liner responses or quick little jabs will get no response from me. If you wish to take a stance on the other side, make it thoughtful, respectful and thorough. Anything else is not worth my time.

Peace.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/15/2020 10:18:34 AM   
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Honestly, I have no idea why the guy would want to get reelected. He's got maybe five good years left of playing golf. Take advantage of what you have left. Serving the general public is obviously something he isn't interested in.


Right now he has a huge incentive to get re-elected because as soon as he becomes a private citizen he's going to be hit with a barrage of indictments and lawsuits that will probably cost him zillions in legal fees and potentially put him in prison.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/15/2020 12:11:19 PM   
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Outstanding Brad.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/15/2020 12:43:41 PM  3 votes
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This one's for Bill J.

KG: "I don't follow politics."

Also KG: "On the other hand I bet it would take a 6 page typed document to print all the good things that Trump has done for minorities."

You're either talking out of your ass or straight lying. Which is it?

Some of my conservative friends have shared with me all the very good things that Trump has done for minorities during his career.

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