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ORIGINAL: David F.

Oh those terrible liberal bullies. Will they ever let up on the conservative snowflake tree-huggers?

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

I'm curious about what people think about the 8% of black voters that are in Trumps camp?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjxDEoXkjzE&feature=youtu.be

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

If anybody else wants to take a cheap shot at me go ahead.

No, I think someone as nice as Lynn venomously spitting out a comment implying that your Mom would not be proud of you is a better cheap shot than I could conjure up.

But, KG, there is always a place for forgiveness with the left. They are really nice people, if you agree with them. You just need to become politically correct and it is easy to do.

So study this closely:

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-DRAFT-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf

Read it, know it, never sway from its contents and they will defend you to the nth degree or turn and look the other way when you mess up. You want examples? Let's pretend someone said that they support looting and rioting, because they will help make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition. Now, you may think: "no one would ever say something so foolish?" But this is a hypothetical, so we can use crazy ridiculous examples.

You can say stuff like this and NO ONE that agrees with the link above will say one word about your comments. And, and here is where it gets exciting, they will actually viciously personally attack anyone that tries to refute that hypothetical comment if that person gets it partially wrong! (OK, sure the rioting did often involve burning and some people did die, but details, details.)

So, just take a day or two off. Study the manual linked above and come back here and spout from that 'truth'. And most here will love you for it!

If you want to express an opinion substantially different than the above linked platform of truth than you are going to have to learn to deal with cheap shots and condescension. Although do not be condescending back, because people can only be condescending TO YOU because you are wrong and it is OK to be condescending to people that are wrong.

I hope this post helped set you straight.

Love it!

ps - gearing up for my 1 star

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

If anybody else wants to take a cheap shot at me go ahead.

No, I think someone as nice as Lynn venomously spitting out a comment implying that your Mom would not be proud of you is a better cheap shot than I could conjure up.

But, KG, there is always a place for forgiveness with the left. They are really nice people, if you agree with them. You just need to become politically correct and it is easy to do.

So study this closely:

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-DRAFT-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf

Read it, know it, never sway from its contents and they will defend you to the nth degree or turn and look the other way when you mess up. You want examples? Let's pretend someone said that they support looting and rioting, because they will help make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition. Now, you may think: "no one would ever say something so foolish?" But this is a hypothetical, so we can use crazy ridiculous examples.

You can say stuff like this and NO ONE that agrees with the link above will say one word about your comments. And, and here is where it gets exciting, they will actually viciously personally attack anyone that tries to refute that hypothetical comment if that person gets it partially wrong! (OK, sure the rioting did often involve burning and some people did die, but details, details.)

So, just take a day or two off. Study the manual linked above and come back here and spout from that 'truth'. And most here will love you for it!

If you want to express an opinion substantially different than the above linked platform of truth than you are going to have to learn to deal with cheap shots and condescension. Although do not be condescending back, because people can only be condescending TO YOU because you are wrong and it is OK to be condescending to people that are wrong.

I hope this post helped set you straight.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction.

Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on.

I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting.

I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg.

A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction.

Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on.

I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting.

I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg.

A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs.

When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled.

Just agree to disagree and move on.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction.

Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on.

I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting.

I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg.

A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs.

When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled.

Just agree to disagree and move on.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction.

Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on.

I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting.

I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg.

A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs.

When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled.

Just agree to disagree and move on.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
So the American Revolution was some liberals justifying death and looting and destruction?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
And how about those damn progressive and democrats Woodrow W and FDR?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
Truman who started overseeing the civil rights movement by desegregation of the armed services and attacking Jim Crow laws?
Fn democratic anarchist, to be sure..

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
LBJ who passed civil rights?
What a tree hugging liberal.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
You make idiotic claims about your democratic opponents, and demonstrate a complete lack of history before 1990...

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
You and your like minded faux news teat fed bot thinkers ARE the problem... unome/cpa/( I don’t know squat about any current or past even that is not sports related..KGB.)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
It is like watching the three stooges battle deep blue.. you are so out of your depth you think the whale shit falling on your heads, is manna from Trump’s anal sphincter.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction.

Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on.

I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting.

I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg.

A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs.

When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled.

Just agree to disagree and move on.

So tell me, since you lack the courage to engage in any.. an of the politic threads, because ... oh horrors.. you might get called a “nazi” as opposed to a “ libtard” or tree hugger...

Do you support the Republican Party platform?

Federalism?

strict constructionism?

Unilateralism?

Too many?

Pick one.

Look it up so you know what it means, if not.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction.

Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on.

I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting.

I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg.

A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs.

When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled.

Just agree to disagree and move on.

You can say what you want about parties claiming they want to unite the country, but the action tells the real story, not words. I'm not sure you can say the same about the right.

When you look at their agenda, the left agenda represents uniting the country. If you look at their history, it is about inclusivity. When it comes to representation, it is inclusive. They have continued to fight for health care for all. They are union-friendly, equal rights-friendly and just put a woman on the ticket for a second straight election, along with an African American for the third out of the last four.

The right wants to build walls, stop people from voting, eliminate health care rights and does just about everything in its power to take from the poor and give to the uber-wealthy. I'm not going to say anything about making them out to be Nazis, but if you'd like me to provide a few images from events in recent years, it wouldn't take me but a few seconds to generate 100's of them. Remind me again, who was fighting to keep statues and confederate flags two months back and who was fighting to get rid of them. My memory is a bit fuzzy.

In the end, action speaks much louder than words. Are the democrats perfect and their followers perfect? Absolutely not. But I'll take inclusivity over exclusivity any day of the week. It's what makes a place vibrant and colorful.

Anybody else out there think the Republican Party is inclusive in nature?

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction.

Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on.

I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting.

I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg.

A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs.

When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled.

Just agree to disagree and move on.

You can say what you want about parties claiming they want to unite the country, but the action tells the real story, not words. I'm not sure you can say the same about the right.

When you look at their agenda, the left agenda represents uniting the country. If you look at their history, it is about inclusivity. When it comes to representation, it is inclusive. They have continued to fight for health care for all. They are union-friendly, equal rights-friendly and just put a woman on the ticket for a second straight election, along with an African American for the third out of the last four.

The right wants to build walls, stop people from voting, eliminate health care rights and does just about everything in its power to take from the poor and give to the uber-wealthy. I'm not going to say anything about making them out to be Nazis, but if you'd like me to provide a few images from events in recent years, it wouldn't take me but a few seconds to generate 100's of them. Remind me again, who was fighting to keep statues and confederate flags two months back and who was fighting to get rid of them. My memory is a bit fuzzy.

In the end, action speaks much louder than words. Are the democrats perfect and their followers perfect? Absolutely not. But I'll take inclusivity over exclusivity any day of the week. It's what makes a place vibrant and colorful.

Anybody else out there think the Republican Party is inclusive in nature?

You complaints are more about Trump than anything else, and I agree with those complaints.

But, almost all of your criticisms of Republicans would not be true of the two previous Republican Presidential candidates: McCain and Romney.

I do think it is hard to be both the party of whale shit on the heads of those that disagree with you - and Dan's post got two other 5 start votes so it is not just his opinion - and pretend to be the party of inclusiveness. Feels like you are only inclusive of those that agree with you. Whoopee! Who is not inclusive of like-minded people?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

So tell me, since you lack the courage to engage in any.. an of the politic threads, because ... oh horrors.. you might get called a “nazi” as opposed to a “ libtard” or tree hugger...

Do you support the Republican Party platform?

Federalism?

strict constructionism?

Unilateralism?

Too many?

Pick one.

Look it up so you know what it means, if not.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H


I have no issues with Romney. Many forget, McCain was one of the original Keating Five. He'll never get a free pass from me.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Dan's post got two other 5 start votes so it is not just his opinion - and pretend to be the party of inclusiveness.

Incorrect.

His collection of stars indicates 1 5 star and 1 one star rating.

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ORIGINAL: unome

Lots to unpack in the Dan rant. Let's look at each one.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: unome

Lots to unpack in the Dan rant. Let's look at each one.

I’m going to skip the rebuttal quoting, because it’s too long to address

However your use of false equivalency is epic.

I went back to about WW1..

Seemed like a good limit.. , just over 100 years... but hey..

You think Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt were representing “republican ideologically”?

The current Republican Party is so diametrically opposed to those two Presidents’s political and social and economic ideas that claiming they are the “ roots” of the Republican Party is juuuust a bit disingenuous.

TR was a conservationist and tree hugger..deluxe.
Created the national parks system to preserve this country’s natural resources.
Crafted deals to end a coal strike ...

He remains the youngest person to become President of the United States. Roosevelt was a leader of the progressive movement, and he championed his "Square Deal" domestic policies, promising the average citizen fairness, breaking of trusts, regulation of railroads, and pure food and drugs.

How is that anything like citizens united and or current corporate control of policy decisions?

Lincoln championed a war for unity, human rights and equality, yes?

You think his stands as a beacon of he Republican Party?

https://millercenter.org/president/lincoln/domestic-affairs


Lincoln denied that the states had ever possessed independent sovereignty as colonies and territories. He claimed that the states had accepted unconditionally the sovereignty of the national government with the ratification of the Constitution. To those Southerners who claimed the right of revolution to justify secession—just like the founding fathers had revolted against England—Lincoln answered with a legalistic distinction rooted in common sense. The right of revolution, he argued, is not a legal right but a moral right that depends upon the suppression of liberties and freedoms in order for it to be justified.

The only thing you have stated correctly is that parties have evolved or devolved, depending on your POV.

It speaks volumes that you have to reach way back into history to point out “Republican” Presidents who were “ Great Americans.”

It’s a bit skimpy territory with:
Trump

Bush

Bush

Reagan

Ford

Nixon


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower

Maybe you would like to cite Eisenhower?

In domestic affairs, Eisenhower supported a policy of "modern Republicanism" that occupied a middle ground between liberal Democrats and the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Eisenhower continued New Deal programs, expanded Social Security, and prioritized a balanced budget over tax cuts.

He signed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent Army troops to enforce federal court orders which integrated schools in Little Rock, Arkansas. His largest program was the Interstate Highway System. He promoted the establishment of strong science education via the National Defense Education Act.


Wait.. wait... let’s not, since he seems to have been some kind of left leaning moderate..

His policy decisions seem a bit out of step as well..

Man this is kind of rough..

Seeing good in the current Republican ideology as it coincides with such a broad and ever changing policy pattern..

Where did the Republican get so far off course?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young


Where did the Republican get so far off course?

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Brad H


I have no issues with Romney. Many forget, McCain was one of the original Keating Five. He'll never get a free pass from me.

Two of the 5 were not charged with anything ethically wrong. Not surprisingly, these were the two Senators that continued to have a political career: McCain and Glenn. Form Wiki: "The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him."

It is funny that the right hated McCain with a passion after he refused to vote for the repeal of Obamacare because the Republicans did not offer up a plan to replace it with something better. I think this vote showed what a great man he was. It took huge courage and caused many in his own party to hate him.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young


Where did the Republican get so far off course?

The short answer to this was: nominating Trump.

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ORIGINAL: unome

Trump, Biden, Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Bush and Gore were all pretty poor candidates. I wish the parties would stop giving us terrible choices. Bush or Gore? Bush or Kerry? Trump or Hillary? Trump or Biden?

I do not like any of those choices. I think we have have no above average Presidents in the past 20 years and that will go to 24 years regardless of who wins in November.

Republicans are not always right and neither are Democrats. They keep giving us bad choices for the most important job there is. I blame the party system and how they do their primaries. Let everyone Republicans, Democrats and independents - vote in June and the two top vote-getters, regardless of party, get to be on the ballot for November. Then moderates can run and try to get the vote of enough moderates and independents to get a spot at the table.