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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:20:43 AM   
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Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare.

This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied.

I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months.

Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines.

Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right.

Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat.

How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working.

The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed.

Students have a tougher time cheating in school.

The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions.

We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose.

Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also.

You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster.

As a country, our leaderships has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population.

If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action?


Maybe 1/1000th of 1 percent in school age kids.

Like I said. They option to stay home for higher risk people should be allowed without a penalty to these people.

That's all well and good if the kids are living in a bubble, but they aren't. At some point, all of them have to go home. If the virus spreads through the school like wildfire, AND IT WILL, then you have a recipe for disaster within the community. It isn't just about the kids. They may only be the carriers and have little to few symptoms, but they still carry home the virus. They don't just take care of themselves once they leave the school.

There s a reason why there is no concerts and sporting events right now for fans. Because getting together in social situations is the best way to spread the virus. Have you not learned anything in five months?

You think kids were living in a bubble over the summer. Baseball, softball, pools were all going on. It helps that these are all outdoor events but there was alot of non social distancing going on for kids in the past 3 months. Was there a deadly outbreak for kids? NO.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:24:16 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare.

This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied.

I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months.

Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines.

Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right.

Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat.

How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working.

The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed.

Students have a tougher time cheating in school.

The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions.

We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose.

Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also.

You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster.

As a country, our leadership has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population.

If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action?

At some point we need to learn from past mistakes.

We have more infections than that. Probably 15 times the stated positive cases. Per the CDC.

The death rate is highly inflated. As are the actual deaths caused by Covid. Hospitals(doctors) need to make ends meet when they can't do elective surgeries or not have as many visits(because people are scared). Mark Covid19 on Death Cerificate and get a check. Even CDC Director said it is going on.

Having said all this. It is real and we need to take precautions.

Again, you don't know that. That is wild conjecture. At the end of the day, we are living through something that happens about once every 100 years. We may want to give it the respect it deserves rather than trivializing the situation to achieve our talking points.

At the end of the day, we have a deadly virus spreading around the globe. It's unfortunate. It's inconvenient. It's disrupted out lives. Lets not say silly shit for political gain. Karma is right around the corner.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:27:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare.

This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied.

I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months.

Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines.

Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right.

Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat.

How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working.

The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed.

Students have a tougher time cheating in school.

The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions.

We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose.

Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also.

You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster.

As a country, our leaderships has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population.

If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action?


Maybe 1/1000th of 1 percent in school age kids.

Like I said. They option to stay home for higher risk people should be allowed without a penalty to these people.

That's all well and good if the kids are living in a bubble, but they aren't. At some point, all of them have to go home. If the virus spreads through the school like wildfire, AND IT WILL, then you have a recipe for disaster within the community. It isn't just about the kids. They may only be the carriers and have little to few symptoms, but they still carry home the virus. They don't just take care of themselves once they leave the school.

There s a reason why there is no concerts and sporting events right now for fans. Because getting together in social situations is the best way to spread the virus. Have you not learned anything in five months?

You think kids were living in a bubble over the summer. Baseball, softball, pools were all going on. It helps that these are all outdoor events but there was alot of non social distancing going on for kids in the past 3 months. Was there a deadly outbreak for kids? NO.

Again, you seem to be missing a major point. It isn't all about the kids. Even if they are dying at a lesser rate, they are delivering the goods to those more at-risk. Our insatiable desire to get back to normalcy in this country is why we have the most deaths on the planet. At some point you'd think we would wake up and grab some morality and common sense. We aren't living through normal times.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:28:04 AM  2 votes
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare.

This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied.

I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months.

Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines.

Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right.

Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat.

How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working.

The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed.

Students have a tougher time cheating in school.

The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions.

We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose.

Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also.

You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster.

As a country, our leadership has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population.

If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action?

At some point we need to learn from past mistakes.

We have more infections than that. Probably 15 times the stated positive cases. Per the CDC.

The death rate is highly inflated. As are the actual deaths caused by Covid. Hospitals(doctors) need to make ends meet when they can't do elective surgeries or not have as many visits(because people are scared). Mark Covid19 on Death Cerificate and get a check. Even CDC Director said it is going on.

Having said all this. It is real and we need to take precautions.

Again, you don't know that. That is wild conjecture. At the end of the day, we are living through something that happens about once every 100 years. We may want to give it the respect it deserves rather than trivializing the situation to achieve our talking points.

At the end of the day, we have a deadly virus spreading around the globe. It's unfortunate. It's inconvenient. It's disrupted out lives. Lets not say silly shit for political gain. Karma is right around the corner.

I've said that school will be tough to pull off in big cities.

I think 50-75% of School Districts in USA can pull off in school learning without any big problems. We need to keep the decision making at the local level.

Anyway, stay safe Brad. Been a while since we have went round and round.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:29:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare.

This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied.

I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months.

Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines.

Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right.

Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat.

How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working.

The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed.

Students have a tougher time cheating in school.

The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions.

We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose.

Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also.

You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster.

As a country, our leadership has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population.

If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action?

At some point we need to learn from past mistakes.

We have more infections than that. Probably 15 times the stated positive cases. Per the CDC.

The death rate is highly inflated. As are the actual deaths caused by Covid. Hospitals(doctors) need to make ends meet when they can't do elective surgeries or not have as many visits(because people are scared). Mark Covid19 on Death Cerificate and get a check. Even CDC Director said it is going on.

Having said all this. It is real and we need to take precautions.

Again, you don't know that. That is wild conjecture. At the end of the day, we are living through something that happens about once every 100 years. We may want to give it the respect it deserves rather than trivializing the situation to achieve our talking points.

At the end of the day, we have a deadly virus spreading around the globe. It's unfortunate. It's inconvenient. It's disrupted out lives. Lets not say silly shit for political gain. Karma is right around the corner.

I've said that school will be tough to pull off in big cities.

I think 50-75% of School Districts in USA can pull off in school learning without any big problems. We need to keep the decision making at the local level.

Anyway, stay safe Brad. Been a while since we have went round and round.

You are living in a fantasy land. The virus is a constant.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 8/6/2020 9:30:17 AM >


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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:47:34 AM  4 votes
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I will say one more thing on this issue before leaving it alone.

We have been living with this thing for five months now. We should have learned a thing or two by now. We know that it spreads in tight quarters. We know that kids are less effected. We know that they are also carriers of the virus.

Suggesting that we should send 100's or even thousands of kids to a place with tight quarters every day has got to be one of the dumbest ideas on the planet. But, in America, there is still a certain faction of our society still thinking it's a good idea.

Welcome to 2020 American politics, where reason and common sense has completely disappeared.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 8/6/2020 9:52:56 AM >


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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:59:25 AM   
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The McMurfy Plan has been picking up traction.

Part 1- We isolate and quarantine all Basketball and Football Players and Staffs.
Part 2- We Federalize, temporarily, Amazon, Target, Walmart, Kroger.
Part 3- We shut down everything, and I mean everything from Nov1-Jan 3
Medical Workers are escorted to and from Work by the Military who also deliver food for the Federalized Companies mentioned above.
We stay home, work from home, and watch sports for two months.
We Vote by Mail.
We Vote online.


We emerge with No Virus. Open Schools, and a return to normal.


A perfect plan with no holes, No

Better than what we will do?

Absolutely.


The amount of damage this would do to the economy is almost beyond measure. The damage to retail alone to be closed over that time off year would be crushing. Black Friday is so-called because that is the first day of the year many retail stores are 'in the black' for the year. Also, to federalize Amazon, Target, Walmart, Kroger, etc., even temporarily, is completely illegal and that part of the plan would be ended with a quick trip to the courthouse.

And while some could work from home, and most of those already are, shutting down "everything, and I mean everything" implies things like food processing plants and other vital areas. So that is not happening

The solution should never be more damaging than the problem. Plus, cases nationwide are going down the last few days. Wear masks, socially distance and let's stop doing stupid things that anyone with half a brain should know can spread the disease. COVID is bad, but it is not bad enough to destroy the whole economy over.




We cover your points in the FAQs as well.
Of which, you won’t get to see because of your red hat, Boomer.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 10:09:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare.

This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied.

I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months.

Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines.

Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right.

Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat.

How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working.

The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed.

Students have a tougher time cheating in school.

The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions.

We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose.

Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also.

You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster.

As a country, our leadership has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population.

If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action?

At some point we need to learn from past mistakes.

We have more infections than that. Probably 15 times the stated positive cases. Per the CDC.

The death rate is highly inflated. As are the actual deaths caused by Covid. Hospitals(doctors) need to make ends meet when they can't do elective surgeries or not have as many visits(because people are scared). Mark Covid19 on Death Cerificate and get a check. Even CDC Director said it is going on.

Having said all this. It is real and we need to take precautions.

Reasonable precautions for the COVID-19 crisis. Don't panic.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 10:26:51 AM   
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I'm in

Can I get a hat?


Take your pick
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 2:14:32 PM   
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None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers.

The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked
An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county

Two students who posted this picture were allegedly suspended because apparently it's worse to let people know about these appalling situations than to actually perpetrate them. Highly educational for the students, though, given our current situation......
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 2:34:47 PM  1 votes
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None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers.

The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked
An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county

Two students who posted this picture were allegedly suspended because apparently it's worse to let people know about these appalling situations than to actually perpetrate them. Highly educational for the students, though, given our current situation......


And not an isolated event:

CSU football players and university athletic department staff say coaches have told players not to report COVID-19 symptoms, threatened players with reduced playing time if they quarantine and claim CSU is altering contact tracing reports to keep players practicing.

And they say those actions by the athletic administration is putting their health at risk in return for monetary gain the school would receive if fall sports are played.

Football players said they would like to play this season but don’t believe there should be a season given the spike in positive cases on the team in the past two weeks and the threat of more once Colorado State’s full student body comes to campus later this month.

"I believe there is a cover-up going on at CSU," said a current football player who wished to remain anonymous for fear of retribution. "But they could only cover it up so long and now that we have so many cases across athletics, they can’t cover it up anymore. It’s not about the health and safety of the players but about just trying to make money off the players."
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 6:22:45 PM  1 votes
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So I hope those who are so cavalier about the risks associated with our country's idiotic behavior and policies regarding this virus are aware of the harm they're doing to our healthcare system and our healthcare workers. I spoke with a student today in our respiratory therapy program (RT's are the ones who run the ventilators and oxygen devices) who was on a vent himself for 11 days due to COVID-19. He is about 30 years old and may have heart and lung damage that will last his whole life. Around the time he was admitted, four others were also admitted for COVID; he seemed the worst according to the nurses who helped him, but he was the only one who lived. He ended up infecting his wife also, who had a bad course but didn't need hospitalization. Both are still sick a few months later.

What was his crime for which he was penalized like this? Working as a CNA in a hospital with fukked up PPE supply systems, which is most hospitals. CNA's are the people who wipe patients' asses and clean their puke and otherwise deal with the most intimate care patients cannot do without. For these people, it doesn't matter if kids don't suffer that much (except for the ones who do, of course, or choose to die from COVID in spite of analytics saying they shouldn't die); what matters is that kids get others sick who then end up in the hospital. It doesn't matter if an NFL player doesn't die from his COVID infection; what matters is the groupie he was fukking and infected or the grocery store worker who rang him up who then got sick and ended up in the hospital. Clinical workers are getting very sick and dying; as of a couple of weeks ago, over 16,000 clinical workers in California had been infected, and they infected other people. Another of my students who is also a CNA---trust me, these people are angels among us working literally the shittiest job you can imagine for very low pay---told me that when he works the ICU, he gets two disposable gowns for the whole day---12.5 hours of non-stop work. One gown is for COVID patients and the other is for non-COVID patients (so far). So when he has some diarrhea-laden patient and gets smears of feces on his gown, he walks into the next room in uniform for the Cleveland Browns, carrying whatever pathogens lived in the previous patient's intestines. And the previous patient's. And the previous patient's. Another student gets one gown per patient per day. A student who does transport leaves his used PPE in his car between shifts because he never knows what they'll be out of next shift. Using the Defense Production Act to make gowns and masks is maybe the biggest no-brainer in U.S Presidential history, but Trump couldn't bring himself to do it because it might cost a dollar today----forget get about saving lives and/or billions/trillions of dollars in the long run. There is no long run for him; everything is transactional, and of course we all knew this.

If that is the kind of country you want to live in, vote for Trump and keep picking nits about the horrors of having to sacrifice economically, the indignities of mask wearing, the injustice of no NFL or MLB, or, worst of all, having to use the term "pandemic" instead of "crisis"...even if you're someone who really doesn't care enough about what words mean to actually understand them ("Logic!!!").

We have to do better; what we've done is not nearly enough.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 7:33:10 PM   
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Until just now we were all having rational discussion regarding the COVID crisis as I choose to call it. I don't even have a problem with the term pandemic which many do. You can call it a deadly pandemic if you so choose. Nobody is stopping you.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 8:31:06 PM  1 votes
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Until just now we were all having rational discussion regarding the COVID crisis as I choose to call it. I don't even have a problem with the term pandemic which many do. You can call it a deadly pandemic if you so choose. Nobody is stopping you.

Sorry if you find my post irrational; I know you don't personally know any of the people I mentioned, so I can understand if you don't give a fukk.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 9:00:43 PM  1 votes
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Until just now we were all having rational discussion regarding the COVID crisis as I choose to call it. I don't even have a problem with the term pandemic which many do. You can call it a deadly pandemic if you so choose. Nobody is stopping you.

Sorry if you find my post irrational; I know you don't personally know any of the people I mentioned, so I can understand if you don't give a fukk.

Whatever. Of course I care. But you come here attacking me and other straw men for no reason whatsoever. That's where rational discussion ended. Why don't you just spell it right I think the word you're looking for is ****.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 10:13:02 PM   
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None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers.

The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked
An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county


I agree, if that is how a school is going to do mask usage and social distancing in August 2020, this is not going to go well.

Do in-class learning as safely as possible, or do not do it at all.


It might be the new normal. (to wear masks and social distance) I hope not.

We need schools to be smart and take the precautions. Because the online learning is a joke(at least around here it was).

Online teaching is the precaution. It may not go well, but schools do not have the resources to take all the necessary precautions to make things safe for everyone involved.

People need to get rid of the idea of returning to normalcy any time soon. We are not living through normal times. We are in survival mode.

Nobody wants a global pandemic. However, it is the cards we have been dealt and we need to make smart decisions. Online learning isn't perfect. Far from it. But it is an option that will get better over time as teachers become more familiar with the technology and learn new teaching strategies. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater, we need to adapt and make it better. Dying for the sake of learning times tables should never be an option.


Have you read about what a disaster online learning was? Not perfect?

Sections of LA had less than 50% of their students log in at all to class.

It seems to be middle and upper middle class people that want online learning, but their kids do much better than poor kids who were massively disadvantaged by online learning. And they can work for home, but that is not the case for many poorer adults.

Basically, the more wealthy people are telling the poor to take a massive hit in education and economic circumstance because it works better for them. What is a poor single parent to do with his/her elementary school child? Stay home? Maybe for the whole next school year?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 10:16:34 PM   
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The McMurfy Plan has been picking up traction.

Part 1- We isolate and quarantine all Basketball and Football Players and Staffs.
Part 2- We Federalize, temporarily, Amazon, Target, Walmart, Kroger.
Part 3- We shut down everything, and I mean everything from Nov1-Jan 3
Medical Workers are escorted to and from Work by the Military who also deliver food for the Federalized Companies mentioned above.
We stay home, work from home, and watch sports for two months.
We Vote by Mail.
We Vote online.


We emerge with No Virus. Open Schools, and a return to normal.


A perfect plan with no holes, No

Better than what we will do?

Absolutely.


The amount of damage this would do to the economy is almost beyond measure. The damage to retail alone to be closed over that time off year would be crushing. Black Friday is so-called because that is the first day of the year many retail stores are 'in the black' for the year. Also, to federalize Amazon, Target, Walmart, Kroger, etc., even temporarily, is completely illegal and that part of the plan would be ended with a quick trip to the courthouse.

And while some could work from home, and most of those already are, shutting down "everything, and I mean everything" implies things like food processing plants and other vital areas. So that is not happening

The solution should never be more damaging than the problem. Plus, cases nationwide are going down the last few days. Wear masks, socially distance and let's stop doing stupid things that anyone with half a brain should know can spread the disease. COVID is bad, but it is not bad enough to destroy the whole economy over.




We cover your points in the FAQs as well.
Of which, you won’t get to see because of your red hat, Boomer.


I despise Trump. And I am not a boomer. Are you replying to the correct person?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 10:28:16 PM   
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The untold story is that parents are finally being forced to be parents. As a result of the pandemic, they no longer can count on the teachers to provide daycare for eight hours of every day. However, you can't ask an underpaid profession to put their health at-risk for the sake of parents having the ability to escape their kids five days a week. Grow a pair and be a parent. Yes, it will involve making some difficult choices. They may have to live with less for a couple of years. There is no simple solution.


Yes, those single working parents working 40 hours or more are relying on school to both teach and, yes, watch their kids while they work their a---s off to make ends meet.

Your attitude just reeks of someone that has no idea how the poorer half the population lives. And, sure, I can work at home and have my kids at home without too much problem so we will be OK. Well, besides the kids learning a lot less and my child that is on the autism spectrum getting the services he needs.

Most of the big cities will do distance learning and many of the outer suburbs and rural areas will not. If you were trying to find a way to increase the educational disparity of educational results of poor inner-city children compared to richer children, distance learning would be the best thing you could think of to make that happen.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 10:28:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: unome

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers.

The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked
An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county


I agree, if that is how a school is going to do mask usage and social distancing in August 2020, this is not going to go well.

Do in-class learning as safely as possible, or do not do it at all.


It might be the new normal. (to wear masks and social distance) I hope not.

We need schools to be smart and take the precautions. Because the online learning is a joke(at least around here it was).

Online teaching is the precaution. It may not go well, but schools do not have the resources to take all the necessary precautions to make things safe for everyone involved.

People need to get rid of the idea of returning to normalcy any time soon. We are not living through normal times. We are in survival mode.

Nobody wants a global pandemic. However, it is the cards we have been dealt and we need to make smart decisions. Online learning isn't perfect. Far from it. But it is an option that will get better over time as teachers become more familiar with the technology and learn new teaching strategies. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater, we need to adapt and make it better. Dying for the sake of learning times tables should never be an option.


Have you read about what a disaster online learning was? Not perfect?

Sections of LA had less than 50% of their students log in at all to class.

It seems to be middle and upper middle class people that want online learning, but their kids do much better than poor kids who were massively disadvantaged by online learning. And they can work for home, but that is not the case for many poorer adults.

Basically, the more wealthy people are telling the poor to take a massive hit in education and economic circumstance because it works better for them. What is a poor single parent to do with his/her elementary school child? Stay home? Maybe for the whole next school year?


Yeah, this other site some soccer mom type posted "just suck it up, we're ALL in the same boat". Typical provincial mindset.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/6/2020 10:35:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: unome

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers.

The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked
An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county


I agree, if that is how a school is going to do mask usage and social distancing in August 2020, this is not going to go well.

Do in-class learning as safely as possible, or do not do it at all.


It might be the new normal. (to wear masks and social distance) I hope not.

We need schools to be smart and take the precautions. Because the online learning is a joke(at least around here it was).

Online teaching is the precaution. It may not go well, but schools do not have the resources to take all the necessary precautions to make things safe for everyone involved.

People need to get rid of the idea of returning to normalcy any time soon. We are not living through normal times. We are in survival mode.

Nobody wants a global pandemic. However, it is the cards we have been dealt and we need to make smart decisions. Online learning isn't perfect. Far from it. But it is an option that will get better over time as teachers become more familiar with the technology and learn new teaching strategies. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater, we need to adapt and make it better. Dying for the sake of learning times tables should never be an option.


Have you read about what a disaster online learning was? Not perfect?

Sections of LA had less than 50% of their students log in at all to class.

It seems to be middle and upper middle class people that want online learning, but their kids do much better than poor kids who were massively disadvantaged by online learning. And they can work for home, but that is not the case for many poorer adults.

Basically, the more wealthy people are telling the poor to take a massive hit in education and economic circumstance because it works better for them. What is a poor single parent to do with his/her elementary school child? Stay home? Maybe for the whole next school year?


Yeah, this other site some soccer mom type posted "just suck it up, we're ALL in the same boat". Typical provincial mindset.


People come up with one size fits all plans and when you start considering how other people live, you realize that what works OK for you may be an utter disaster for the child and family living in the next town over or down the block.

There are no easy answers and in-class learning is not without its perils, but we could be looking at a whole school year of online learning because even if a vaccine happens, it will take months to produce and vaccinate tens of millions of people.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/7/2020 12:27:44 AM   
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Until just now we were all having rational discussion regarding the COVID crisis as I choose to call it. I don't even have a problem with the term pandemic which many do. You can call it a deadly pandemic if you so choose. Nobody is stopping you.

Sorry if you find my post irrational; I know you don't personally know any of the people I mentioned, so I can understand if you don't give a fukk.

Whatever. Of course I care. But you come here attacking me and other straw men for no reason whatsoever. That's where rational discussion ended. Why don't you just spell it right I think the word you're looking for is ****.

Asterisks mean nothing to me.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/7/2020 8:42:28 AM   
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Until just now we were all having rational discussion regarding the COVID crisis as I choose to call it. I don't even have a problem with the term pandemic which many do. You can call it a deadly pandemic if you so choose. Nobody is stopping you.

Sorry if you find my post irrational; I know you don't personally know any of the people I mentioned, so I can understand if you don't give a fukk.

Whatever. Of course I care. But you come here attacking me and other straw men for no reason whatsoever. That's where rational discussion ended. Why don't you just spell it right I think the word you're looking for is ****.

Asterisks mean nothing to me.

Fukk means nothing to me.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/7/2020 9:11:06 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Until just now we were all having rational discussion regarding the COVID crisis as I choose to call it. I don't even have a problem with the term pandemic which many do. You can call it a deadly pandemic if you so choose. Nobody is stopping you.

Sorry if you find my post irrational; I know you don't personally know any of the people I mentioned, so I can understand if you don't give a fukk.

Whatever. Of course I care. But you come here attacking me and other straw men for no reason whatsoever. That's where rational discussion ended. Why don't you just spell it right I think the word you're looking for is ****.

Asterisks mean nothing to me.

Fukk means nothing to me.

Morphemes, phonemes.....it's all just lost on you, isn't homie? That must be why you yammer incessantly about whatever, hoping that something, anything will arbitrarily string together and make a cogent point. Logic!!!!!

< Message edited by bohumm -- 8/7/2020 9:18:51 AM >
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/7/2020 9:20:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Until just now we were all having rational discussion regarding the COVID crisis as I choose to call it. I don't even have a problem with the term pandemic which many do. You can call it a deadly pandemic if you so choose. Nobody is stopping you.

Sorry if you find my post irrational; I know you don't personally know any of the people I mentioned, so I can understand if you don't give a fukk.

Whatever. Of course I care. But you come here attacking me and other straw men for no reason whatsoever. That's where rational discussion ended. Why don't you just spell it right I think the word you're looking for is ****.

Asterisks mean nothing to me.

Fukk means nothing to me.

Morphemes, phonemes.....it's all just lost on you, isn't homie? That must be why you yammer incessantly about whatever, hoping that something, anything will arbitrarily string together and make a cogent point. Logic!!!!!

You know what **** means in the context I used it. I also know what Fukk means in the context you used it. DUH.. It's obvious that you are an unhappy person wanting to spread your unhappiness like a pandemic from person to person. How about either continuing to discuss the subject rationally instead of going off on a rant against strawmen. Nobody posting here has anything to do with the rant you went on.

< Message edited by kgdabom -- 8/7/2020 9:25:33 AM >


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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/7/2020 10:16:35 AM   
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You guys need to stop being fukking *******s!

See what I did there?
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