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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/9/2020 6:33:57 PM

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People seem to forget that at one point there was one person in the country with COVID. Think about that for a minute and then remind me of what a great idea it was to attend Sturgis this year (knowing what we now know about how it spreads).

One turned into 6.5-million (and counting). We can argue until we are blue in the face about the facts (or lack thereof) from the article. The virus doesn't care. If you were one of the people in attendance, you acted irresponsibly towards fellow man. If you don't believe me, ask Herman Cain.

When was that? December? January? February?

Not entirely sure. It didn't tell me.

One thing is for certain. It hasn't gone away like a miracle.

Just remember that it is probably 6.5 million X 15. CDC estimate.

We are learning that you can get the virus at a level that isn't even contagious. And also at a level that is very contagious. This needs to be figured out in the testing. No reason to have to skip work if you aren't contagious and are asymptomatic.

Do you mean "symptomatic"?

No. Contagious.

I think you can test positive for the virus and not be contagious. Maybe Bohumm could answer that for certain.

So, you need to test to go to work. Test positive, quarantine.

I'm saying that maybe you don't have to quarantine if you are not contagious.

How does one know if they are not contagious?

I think it can be determined when they test.

Waiting for Bohumm to confirm.

It would seem that it would be a fairly important thing to know before starting to spread rumors.

That's rich coming from the guy who posted the Sturgis Rally report and the 12 billion dollar price tag.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/9/2020 7:05:11 PM

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What, like one or two replies?

Sure. But, hey, two replies was more action than people that wanted to discuss the misuse of statistics behind the "high inflow" counties. Using higher than national average COVID numbers in big cities like San Diego, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City and the Twin Cities to 'prove' that Sturgis was the cause of this difference when it clearly had little to no effect on those cities at all is fake scholarship.

I can say little-to-no-effect at all because the rate of COVID growth in those counties actually declined during and after the Sturgis Rally meaning it was a pretty big stretch that the Rally caused that difference.

But, I as I said above, I was just whining because I know a big bright pictures makes far more impact than me telling people that if they look at page 37 and 53 in a link to a drab economics paper they can see how they purposefully misused the data involving "high inflow" counties.

Ok, I will stop now because I know most people stopped reading at my first sentence.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/9/2020 8:33:11 PM

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What, like one or two replies?

Sure. But, hey, two replies was more action than people that wanted to discuss the misuse of statistics behind the "high inflow" counties. Using higher than national average COVID numbers in big cities like San Diego, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City and the Twin Cities to 'prove' that Sturgis was the cause of this difference when it clearly had little to no effect on those cities at all is fake scholarship.

I can say little-to-no-effect at all because the rate of COVID growth in those counties actually declined during and after the Sturgis Rally meaning it was a pretty big stretch that the Rally caused that difference.

But, I as I said above, I was just whining because I know a big bright pictures makes far more impact than me telling people that if they look at page 37 and 53 in a link to a drab economics paper they can see how they purposefully misused the data involving "high inflow" counties.

Ok, I will stop now because I know most people stopped reading at my first sentence.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/9/2020 9:43:00 PM

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South Dakota is the center of a huge spike in cases. They had Sturgis, they had their state fair, and they held the July 3rd hosting of Trump.

All without a mandate for masks or social distancing.

The facts speak for themselves. They've completely mishandled the virus, and as a neighboring state some of that is almost certain to leach over to us.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/9/2020 9:54:36 PM

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South Dakota is the center of a huge spike in cases. They had Sturgis, they had their state fair, and they held the July 3rd hosting of Trump.

All without a mandate for masks or social distancing.

The facts speak for themselves. They've completely mishandled the virus, and as a neighboring state some of that is almost certain to leach over to us.

Lynn I fully agree with you. Even if they get lucky and the spread isn't as bad as I think it could have been. It's great for people to move forward with their lives, but they still need to take reasonable precautions.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/9/2020 10:42:09 PM 3 votes

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South Dakota is the center of a huge spike in cases. They had Sturgis, they had their state fair, and they held the July 3rd hosting of Trump.

All without a mandate for masks or social distancing.

The facts speak for themselves. They've completely mishandled the virus, and as a neighboring state some of that is almost certain to leach over to us.

Huge spike? Headline of first article in Google search: Active COVID-19 cases keep on downward trend in South Dakota

https://www.kotatv.com/2020/09/09/active-covid-19-cases-keep-on-downward-trend-in-south-dakota/

But, I am sure the facts speak for themselves. Let's check those fact out.

Minnesota COVID deaths today: 7 SD COVID deaths: Zip.

Surely, yesterday then, there much have been a bunch of SD deaths. Wait, zero again?

These facts are not speaking for themselves as much as you may have thought.

More facts: Minnesota: 1,921 deaths; 339 deaths per million people
South Dakota: 173 deaths; 196 deaths per million people

These facts seem to be doing too much speaking for themselves because they seem to be saying to you: no, you are not correct.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/9/2020 11:09:51 PM 4 votes

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There was some great book once that had a saying about two eyes, a speck and a plank. Paraphrasing it: Let's not notice the issues that the other guy has when we have bigger issues.

Let's not compare ourselves to the neighbors from the west, let's compare to the one's from the east. The dreaded land of cheese. The land of drunken Sconnies.

Our COVID numbers are almost identical and we both have Democratic Governors.

Let's look at those facts:

Wisconsin: 83,334 cases; 1,183 deaths; 14,313 cases per million; 203 deaths per million
Minnesota: 81,868 cases; 1,921 deaths; 14,517 cases per million; 341 deaths per million

Those numbers are so close. Similar population size, similar population in many ways, almost identical case numbers and, wait, those death numbers are a big difference.

Maybe WE completely mishandled the virus? Walz failed to adequately protect the LTC facilities until late May and we have more than 700 deaths than a neighboring state with almost identical COVID numbers in every other way. Drat, and we were having such a fun time being all high and mighty.

So, I guess the fact DO speak for themselves. Our Governor mishandled the virus and hundreds of Minnesotans paid with their lives.

I am sorry, I got distracted, what was the topic again? Oh yes, we were trying to shame a neighboring state with better COVID numbers than we have. Again, paraphrasing the same book I mentioned above: those without anything to be ashamed about can cast the first stone.

We Minnesotans better keep those stones in our own hands on this one.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 2:46:45 AM 3 votes

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There is a surge in new cases in SD. Not sure why you’re spinning this.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 5:10:19 AM

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Well, we're now over 195,000 dead from the Coronavirus. It appears this hoax has a bit more teeth than previous hoaxes.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 7:13:13 AM

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So where are the other 490,000 people?

Your narrative suggests the "other 490,000 people" were stuffed into the campgrounds. More densely packed than main street. Dirty, belching, sweaty, and, dare I say, nasty bodies. Sounds like a real treat.

No. My narrative suggests the other 490,000 people are spread out across the region. As that there are alot of other things to do than just downtown Sturgis.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 8:43:56 AM

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Unome (and yes. Yes we do):

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/crime/2020/09/03/south-dakotas-covid-19-surge-worst-nation-coronavirus/5701689002/ {Sept. 3, 2020 South Dakota is the worst state in the nation for COVID-19 after a surge in cases during the last week. }

https://apnews.com/14f28035ec9d45528ddd57f63bf70c39 {South Dakota has recorded the nation’s third-highest rate of coronavirus cases per capita over the last two weeks, an alarming development health officials attributed to summer gatherings, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and students returning to college campuses and school classrooms.}

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:00:12 AM

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What, like one or two replies?

Sure. But, hey, two replies was more action than people that wanted to discuss the misuse of statistics behind the "high inflow" counties. Using higher than national average COVID numbers in big cities like San Diego, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City and the Twin Cities to 'prove' that Sturgis was the cause of this difference when it clearly had little to no effect on those cities at all is fake scholarship.

I can say little-to-no-effect at all because the rate of COVID growth in those counties actually declined during and after the Sturgis Rally meaning it was a pretty big stretch that the Rally caused that difference.

But, I as I said above, I was just whining because I know a big bright pictures makes far more impact than me telling people that if they look at page 37 and 53 in a link to a drab economics paper they can see how they purposefully misused the data involving "high inflow" counties.

Ok, I will stop now because I know most people stopped reading at my first sentence.

You got that right.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:10:53 AM

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There is a surge in new cases in SD. Not sure why you’re spinning this.

No, there WAS a surge. And there was a surge that swept like a slow-moving wave across the nation. Generally, it moved from south to north and it has swept like a wave over almost every state by this point.

The surge has been abating significantly in recent days so to say there is a huge spike in the present tense is wholly inaccurate when the numbers have been going down.

My point, which I thought was clear, is to have a Minnesotan slamming South Dakota and their Governor when we have much worse numbers because of our failed Governor is ridiculous.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:16:18 AM

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Unome (and yes. Yes we do):

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/crime/2020/09/03/south-dakotas-covid-19-surge-worst-nation-coronavirus/5701689002/ {Sept. 3, 2020 South Dakota is the worst state in the nation for COVID-19 after a surge in cases during the last week. }

https://apnews.com/14f28035ec9d45528ddd57f63bf70c39 {South Dakota has recorded the nation’s third-highest rate of coronavirus cases per capita over the last two weeks, an alarming development health officials attributed to summer gatherings, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and students returning to college campuses and school classrooms.}

Yes, and I posted the reports from yesterday. The spike happened due to the reasons listed, the people and local municipalities responded and the numbers are sharply down.

Care to address how Minnesota has done in comparison? Hint: its worse.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:24:32 AM

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Ok, I will stop now because I know most people stopped reading at my first sentence.

You got that right.

You start talking about "high inflow" counties and charts on pages 53 and 37 and you may as well write in Ukrainian.

But, hey, my acknowledgement that I know that some people do not want to ever dive into any actual data did give you a chance to express your contempt for me because of my opinions, and made you feel a little better about yourself in the process. Small win?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:44:53 AM 1 votes

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Ok, I will stop now because I know most people stopped reading at my first sentence.

You got that right.

You start talking about "high inflow" counties and charts on pages 53 and 37 and you may as well write in Ukrainian.

But, hey, my acknowledgement that I know that some people do not want to ever dive into any actual data did give you a chance to express your contempt for me because of my opinions, and made you feel a little better about yourself in the process. Small win?

Contempt? A bit thin skinned to boot I see.

You should tone down your condescending attitude. You say 95% of the people here don't understand the Hatch Act, people couldn't possibly understand a report, and add in a lot of crap like that. Guess it makes you feel special. How wonderful you spent time reading a report posted on a sports website and found a couple of irregularities. Big whoop.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:47:06 AM

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Unome (and yes. Yes we do):

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/crime/2020/09/03/south-dakotas-covid-19-surge-worst-nation-coronavirus/5701689002/ {Sept. 3, 2020 South Dakota is the worst state in the nation for COVID-19 after a surge in cases during the last week. }

https://apnews.com/14f28035ec9d45528ddd57f63bf70c39 {South Dakota has recorded the nation’s third-highest rate of coronavirus cases per capita over the last two weeks, an alarming development health officials attributed to summer gatherings, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and students returning to college campuses and school classrooms.}

Yes, and I posted the reports from yesterday. The spike happened due to the reasons listed, the people and local municipalities responded and the numbers are sharply down.

Care to address how Minnesota has done in comparison? Hint: its worse.

Actually, Minnesota's 1,429 infections per 100,000 is lower than South Dakota's 1,708 infections per 100,000.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:49:36 AM

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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:52:51 AM

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Unome (and yes. Yes we do):

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/crime/2020/09/03/south-dakotas-covid-19-surge-worst-nation-coronavirus/5701689002/ {Sept. 3, 2020 South Dakota is the worst state in the nation for COVID-19 after a surge in cases during the last week. }

https://apnews.com/14f28035ec9d45528ddd57f63bf70c39 {South Dakota has recorded the nation’s third-highest rate of coronavirus cases per capita over the last two weeks, an alarming development health officials attributed to summer gatherings, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and students returning to college campuses and school classrooms.}

Yes, and I posted the reports from yesterday. The spike happened due to the reasons listed, the people and local municipalities responded and the numbers are sharply down.

Care to address how Minnesota has done in comparison? Hint: its worse.

Actually, Minnesota's 1,429 infections per 100,000 is lower than South Dakota's 1,708 infections per 100,000.

That's the trouble with engaging in discussion with some people. If they aren't participating in good faith I spend all my time fact checking everything. Some mistakes and misinformation is to be expected from anyone, after all we're only human. But when the mistakes and misinformation occur at a higher rate and always in favor of whatever slant the person is presenting... Well then it becomes pretty pointless really quick.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:54:25 AM

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 10:01:08 AM

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Unome (and yes. Yes we do):

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/crime/2020/09/03/south-dakotas-covid-19-surge-worst-nation-coronavirus/5701689002/ {Sept. 3, 2020 South Dakota is the worst state in the nation for COVID-19 after a surge in cases during the last week. }

https://apnews.com/14f28035ec9d45528ddd57f63bf70c39 {South Dakota has recorded the nation’s third-highest rate of coronavirus cases per capita over the last two weeks, an alarming development health officials attributed to summer gatherings, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and students returning to college campuses and school classrooms.}

Yes, and I posted the reports from yesterday. The spike happened due to the reasons listed, the people and local municipalities responded and the numbers are sharply down.

Care to address how Minnesota has done in comparison? Hint: its worse.

Actually, Minnesota's 1,429 infections per 100,000 is lower than South Dakota's 1,708 infections per 100,000.

And lets not forget, geographically speaking, it's not like South Dakota has any large communities where spread is more imminent. Their most densely populated town is Sioux Falls, population 190k. Next is Rapid City, 77k. Third is Aberdeen, 29k. Conversely, I live in the 94th largest town in California and we have nearly 85,000 people.

So, what may seem like a surge to some is actually a spike in the real world.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 12:06:12 PM

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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 12:22:26 PM

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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 12:26:04 PM

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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

Nobody knows what the real infection rate is. 50 million people in U.S. have probably had it and not even known it.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 12:31:29 PM

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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

Nobody knows what the real infection rate is. 50 million people in U.S. have probably had it and not even known it.

Which doesn't make your case. All over the country in every state, people with symptoms get tested. A number of confirmed cases per 100,000 is established. It's an apples to apples comparison across all states.

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