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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 12:36:18 PM   
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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

Nobody knows what the real infection rate is. 50 million people in U.S. have probably had it and not even known it.

Which doesn't make your case. All over the country in every state, people with symptoms get tested. A number of confirmed cases per 100,000 is established. It's an apples to apples comparison across all states.

How about this then?

Minnesota has 12X as many deaths as ND but has only 7.5X as many people.

I'm sure you will blame it on the dumb rural hicks in Greater Minnesota.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 12:49:26 PM   
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There you go. That's a fair statement.

Before we go blaming it on Walz though, a lot of that number has to do with how Minnesota reports covid deaths. One of the primary reasons for the death total in Minnesota is the amount of LTC deaths related to covid-19.

One of the primary reasons for the elevated LTC level is that Minnesota tests its at risk population more aggressively than just about any state. My 102 year old mother is routinely tested even though she has no symptoms. People, who are already dying or even in hospice care get tested whether they are symptomatic or not. When these people die, the positive result is listed on the death certificate and reported.

In the early going, Walz's opponents accused him of reporting in a way that inflated the death totals to make Trump look bad. The complaint was that we were reporting a bunch of cases for people who were about to die anyway. Minnesota Republicans then shifted gears and decided it was better to paint Walz as failing to protect our seniors.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 1:11:24 PM   
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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

Nobody knows what the real infection rate is. 50 million people in U.S. have probably had it and not even known it.

Sources?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 2:11:53 PM   
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There you go. That's a fair statement.

Before we go blaming it on Walz though, a lot of that number has to do with how Minnesota reports covid deaths. One of the primary reasons for the death total in Minnesota is the amount of LTC deaths related to covid-19.

One of the primary reasons for the elevated LTC level is that Minnesota tests its at risk population more aggressively than just about any state. My 102 year old mother is routinely tested even though she has no symptoms. People, who are already dying or even in hospice care get tested whether they are symptomatic or not. When these people die, the positive result is listed on the death certificate and reported.

In the early going, Walz's opponents accused him of reporting in a way that inflated the death totals to make Trump look bad. The complaint was that we were reporting a bunch of cases for people who were about to die anyway. Minnesota Republicans then shifted gears and decided it was better to paint Walz as failing to protect our seniors.


I never did. I accused him of reporting in a way that inflated the death totals to make his "best case 50,000 Minnesotan deaths" threat look less astronomically bad.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 2:13:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

Nobody knows what the real infection rate is. 50 million people in U.S. have probably had it and not even known it.

Sources?

Oh come on Brad. We both know he can go out and find that number from some crackpot on Facebook and link to it.
Afterall, if it's on the interweb it must be true.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 3:30:51 PM   
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Trump lies about his recorded lies about the pandemic. This is the guy you want leading the fight?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 3:34:39 PM  1 votes
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South Dakota Governor, Health Officials Debunk Sturgis ‘Superspreading’ Study
SEPTEMBER 10, 2020

A new study authored by the Germany-based IZA Institute of Labor Economics says the most recent Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, held every summer in South Dakota, was a “superspreading” event. The non-peer reviewed study was quickly debunked by Governor Kristi Noem and the state’s top health officials. The study wildly claims the Sturgis event is linked to over 250,000 coronavirus cases across the U.S. and is responsible for an estimated $12.2 billion in public health costs. In a press release on Tuesday, Gov. Noem issued a harsh rebuke of the study and media reporting:

“This report isn’t science; it’s fiction. Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis. Predictably, some in the media breathlessly report on this non-peer reviewed model, built on incredibly faulty assumptions that do not reflect the actual facts and data here in South Dakota. At one point, academic modeling also told us that South Dakota would have 10,000 COVID patients in the hospital at our peak. Today, we have less than 70. I look forward to good journalists, credible academics, and honest citizens repudiating this nonsense.”

The study’s methodology included tracking “anonymized cellphone data” of the nearly half a million attendees’ movements while traveling to, from and around the event. Researchers then looked at COVID-19 case trends across the country following the popular bike week — apparently finding case increases of over 10% in counties nationwide that had people traveling to Sturgis according to their cellphone data. But despite the study’s colorful findings, correlation does not imply causation.

South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem and public health officials were quick to debunk the study’s wild claims about Sturgis. State epidemiologist Joshua Clayton reminded the public that the study was not peer reviewed and added it also failed to take into account several external factors, including the opening of schools in the month of August. Secretary of Health Kim Malsam-Rysdon questioned the study’s use of cellphone data to track case trends, saying “I don’t think we’ve seen that kind of link proven before.”

South Dakota’s Department of Health has reportedly tracked 124 COVID-19 cases ‘directly linked’ to Sturgis within its state; however, there’s been no indication of how contagious those people actually are since positive test results reported do not disclose their levels of viral load.

For months, governments and media have been peddling fear of so-called “superspreaders” and superspreading events. Outdoor holiday gatherings, beaches, sporting events and most recently, the Republican National Convention, have all been branded as such without any real evidence to back up the claims. Sturgis has now become the latest in a long line of dead end COVID canards.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/09/10/south-dakota-governor-health-officials-debunk-sturgis-superspreading-study/

I'll just add that "peer review" is an important hurdle that the study in question has not cleared. A reviewer for a top academic journal would almost certainly take issue with the methodology if the authors truly did not control for effects related to school openings.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 3:37:51 PM   
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There you have it. Kristi Noem said nuh-uh, so it's debunked. She's hot, so she must be right.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 5:02:58 PM   
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One wedding out in the middle of nowhere between Scott and me has 70 confirmed infections. The attendees did not come in and go back to all corners of the country. The attendees are also doing everything they can to hide their numbers most notably by not complying with MN dept of health (they won’t turn over a list of attendees) and the guests are not getting tested specifically to keep the numbers down.

This is one wedding. I don’t need to be a genius to figure out what ten days of Sturgis is capable of doing. I’ve said it before a thousand times and I’ll keep saying it: MAGA culture is going to kill us all.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 5:17:14 PM  1 votes
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One wedding out in the middle of nowhere between Scott and me has 70 confirmed infections. The attendees did not come in and go back to all corners of the country. The attendees are also doing everything they can to hide their numbers most notably by not complying with MN dept of health (they won’t turn over a list of attendees) and the guests are not getting tested specifically to keep the numbers down.

This is one wedding. I don’t need to be a genius to figure out what ten days of Sturgis is capable of doing. I’ve said it before a thousand times and I’ll keep saying it: MAGA culture is going to kill us all.


Last I checked... ain't NOBODY gettin' out of life, alive.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 7:41:18 PM  1 votes
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One wedding out in the middle of nowhere between Scott and me has 70 confirmed infections. The attendees did not come in and go back to all corners of the country. The attendees are also doing everything they can to hide their numbers most notably by not complying with MN dept of health (they won’t turn over a list of attendees) and the guests are not getting tested specifically to keep the numbers down.

This is one wedding. I don’t need to be a genius to figure out what ten days of Sturgis is capable of doing. I’ve said it before a thousand times and I’ll keep saying it: MAGA culture is going to kill us all.


Last I checked... ain't NOBODY gettin' out of life, alive.

Weren't you informed Todd that were all suppose to hole up in our basements mask on and don't forget to board up any windows.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 7:43:59 PM  1 votes
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There you have it. Kristi Noem said nuh-uh, so it's debunked. She's hot, so she must be right.

Give her a little more credit than that. The study is debunked because it is flawed. The numbers are meaningless.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 7:45:23 PM  1 votes
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You're only the worst country in the world with regards to all this. Poorly led. Ignorant and selfish. But go ahead and be cavalier about it.
It's a good look.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 7:49:13 PM   
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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

Nobody knows what the real infection rate is. 50 million people in U.S. have probably had it and not even known it.

Sources?

Oh come on Brad. We both know he can go out and find that number from some crackpot on Facebook and link to it.
Afterall, if it's on the interweb it must be true.

CDC. 6 to 24 times the actual positive tests. Stated it many times in here.

Anyway, Brad prefers cellphone hackers for his Covid numbers.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 7:52:27 PM   
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To all the people who lost grandparents, mothers or fathers...children. Your grief is irrelevant. Bill's desire to swap particulates in close proximity to others unfettered is all that's important.

< Message edited by Todd M -- 9/10/2020 7:55:30 PM >
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 8:03:43 PM  1 votes
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You are a lucky man to live where you do, Todd.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:07:14 PM   
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There you have it. Kristi Noem said nuh-uh, so it's debunked. She's hot, so she must be right.

Give her a little more credit than that. The study is debunked because it is flawed. The numbers are meaningless.

There are epidemiologists saying the numbers are very plausible. Where they disagree is they estimated cost is way too high. The study assigns everyone the maximum cost of treatment. Most would be asymptomatic, barely symptomatic or minimally treated.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:16:07 PM   
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Also, 9 of the 10 worst infection rates per 100,000 states are red states, where they heeded Agent Orange's call to open up their economies.

I can't speak for other red states but why wouldn't ND open up when we are so sparsely populated? When it is all said and done, total deaths and hospitalizations should be the metric that each state makes their policies on.

Because you have a higher infection rate than much more densely populated states. The only rationale for going by total deaths and hospitalizations is that it is easier to mask doing a lousy job of handling the outbreak.

Nobody knows what the real infection rate is. 50 million people in U.S. have probably had it and not even known it.

Sources?


https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/25/coronavirus-cases-10-times-larger/
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:17:08 PM   
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There you have it. Kristi Noem said nuh-uh, so it's debunked. She's hot, so she must be right.


It is sad that women have to deal with crap like this when they are decent-looking.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:18:38 PM   
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You're only the worst country in the world with regards to all this. Poorly led. Ignorant and selfish. But go ahead and be cavalier about it.
It's a good look.


The cool thing is that you don't even have to threaten to move to Canada.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:20:26 PM   
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There you go. That's a fair statement.

Before we go blaming it on Walz though, a lot of that number has to do with how Minnesota reports covid deaths. One of the primary reasons for the death total in Minnesota is the amount of LTC deaths related to covid-19.

One of the primary reasons for the elevated LTC level is that Minnesota tests its at risk population more aggressively than just about any state. My 102 year old mother is routinely tested even though she has no symptoms. People, who are already dying or even in hospice care get tested whether they are symptomatic or not. When these people die, the positive result is listed on the death certificate and reported.

In the early going, Walz's opponents accused him of reporting in a way that inflated the death totals to make Trump look bad. The complaint was that we were reporting a bunch of cases for people who were about to die anyway. Minnesota Republicans then shifted gears and decided it was better to paint Walz as failing to protect our seniors.

About 2 or 3 months ago, ND was going to report deaths in 2 ways. With Covid or from Covid.

Not sure what happened but they ditched that and just went with Covid deaths.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:26:01 PM  1 votes
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There you have it. Kristi Noem said nuh-uh, so it's debunked. She's hot, so she must be right.


It is sad that women have to deal with crap like this when they are decent-looking.

It's a comment on the attitude of the Trumpians I deal with, not Kristi Noem. My assessment of Noem is that she spews a lot of obtuse rhetoric. Luckily South Dakota is the perfect place for it. They lap that crap up.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:26:53 PM   
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Touched a nerve Sweens


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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:37:18 PM   
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Give her a little more credit than that. The study is debunked because it is flawed. The numbers are meaningless.


Another interesting thing about the study is that it had 100,000 more cell phone users tracked than reported attendees. But, cell phone data does not know if you are a groupie that made out with the Lead Singer of Smashmouth, or if you just drove right through Sturgis on I-90 while wearing a mask and holding your breath.

And, I went on Google Maps and checked: a truck driver driving a container from the port of Seattle to my warehouse in MN would drive right through Sturgis. This is perhaps why there were so many big cities as the 'high inflow' counties in the report because a lot of interstate commerce is done in larger cities.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 9/10/2020 9:41:49 PM   
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There you have it. Kristi Noem said nuh-uh, so it's debunked. She's hot, so she must be right.


It is sad that women have to deal with crap like this when they are decent-looking.

It's a comment on the attitude of the Trumpians I deal with, not Kristi Noem. My assessment of Noem is that she spews a lot of obtuse rhetoric. Luckily South Dakota is the perfect place for it. They lap that crap up.



Like the people of South Dakota are sooooo much different than the people of south and west Minnesota.
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