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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2021 9:24:50 PM

Bill Jandro

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Full details on the #Vikings deal for RT Brian O’Neill:
— 5 year, $92.5M extension
— $18.5M yearly average in new money
— $22.6M guaranteed at signing
— $53.4M in total guarantees
— $40M cumulative cash through year 2

per Ian Rappaport

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2021 10:03:45 PM

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#Vikings announce that Brian O'Neill has signed a contract extension.

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Vikings gave Brian O’Neill a five-year, $92.5 million extension, per source.

i think that number is a mistake...i would have franchised him....

Why?

$18m/yr for a right tackle is too much....

Esp for an average one at that.

O'Neill is well above avg by any standard.

Top 5 RT? not sure. Worth what we paid him? not sure.

Per PFF

- 78.0 overall grade in 2020 (11th among RTs)
- 83.7 run blocking grade (4th among RTs)
- 69.3 pass block grade (37th among ALL tackles)

PFF grades are about as accurate as pro bowl voting. Not very.

That being said, if you told me that he was the 11th rated OT by a much more comprehensive grading system, it wouldn't surprise me. Its hard to evaluate because he's been playing next to a lot of bad OL.

I will say, if you take into account his age, improvement, and critical importance to the OL / team, its easy to see why they extended him and why he had some leverage in negotiations – he's not just just getting paid for what he is now at this moment, but also for what he will be worth in his prime after the market has adjusted his salary down to 10-15 best paid RTs. Hunter needs to borrow his agent.

Whatever. Locking O'Neill up early or over-paying him are the only things that don't concern me about the OL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2021 10:18:14 PM 2 votes

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All we hear is bitching and moaning because we don't invest in our offensive line, then we invest in our offensive line and all we hear is bitching and moaning.

Look to your politicians ... you won't find any bitch-free impartiality in here.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2021 10:24:30 PM

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O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

And you'd prefer to let him walk?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2021 10:25:28 PM

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O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 5:13:32 AM

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What's the general consensus over here about the Vikings? Mediocre? Playoffs? We'll suck? Depends on injuries?

Sorry I haven't been on for a while. I used to read over here every day, but then life happened. The past 18 months have been pretty rough on me with work. Ultimately, I chose to resign to have a life again. ...hopefully fans continue to be allowed in stadiums, because I'm looking really forward to getting up to Minnesota in a couple weeks!

Speaking of season tickets, every year, I give away a free Vikings ticket to the winner of our Pick 6 game. It's really easy, and fun. A lot of us somehow suck at it, but it's still fun.

Essentially:

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Each week, you'll find the appropriate thread and post your picks. Your six picks will consist of the following:

Game 1: Lock of the Week. - 1pt
Game 2 : Divisional Matchup - 2pts
Game 3 : Upset Special - 3pts
Game 4 : Wildcard - 1pt
Game 5: Highest-Combined Score - 3pts
Game 6: Gamble Pick - +/- 2 pts
Max weekly score - 12pts

More details about Pick 6 here: https://purplepainforums.com/thread/4894/intro-purple-pains-pick-6

All are welcome to play!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 6:10:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

And you'd prefer to let him walk?

Not at all. He's the only proven olineman we have. I think his numbers probably should have come in at or below what Braden and Moten got though but not a big deal.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 7:29:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 8:41:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

You guys are talking about how poor a job the vikings have done at drafting Olinemen and your plan is to have them draft TWO OTs?

Recipe for disaster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 9:54:20 AM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

You guys are talking about how poor a job the vikings have done at drafting Olinemen and your plan is to have them draft TWO OTs?

Recipe for disaster.

I was being sarcastic….what I meant was - deal with it in a way other than pay $18m/yr

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 10:45:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

You guys are talking about how poor a job the vikings have done at drafting Olinemen and your plan is to have them draft TWO OTs?

Recipe for disaster.

‘you guys’? ‘your plan’?

I’m grateful for O’Neill and made it clear the money is the least of our problems.

There was no other option but to extend the one sure thing (in that group). No putting off until next year, no toxic franchise tender, period.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 10:59:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

You guys are talking about how poor a job the vikings have done at drafting Olinemen and your plan is to have them draft TWO OTs?

Recipe for disaster.

I was being sarcastic….what I meant was - deal with it in a way other than pay $18m/yr

That isn’t realistic. Its not a take it or leave it situation and there are two interests negotiating the market price.

Its not a kick the can down the road situation either: it was obviously slotted into our budget plan this offseason, next offseason the Red Sea parts and half our starters will be back wandering around the FA wilderness looking for their golden idols … we will need a disciplined approach to maintain competitiveness - not a ‘throw it against the wall next year and see what happens’ approach.

(edit: presuming we will be competitive;

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 9/9/2021 11:54:35 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 3:40:21 PM

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Steelers extend Watt...

The #Steelers and star pass-rusher TJ Watt have a mega-deal. He’s going to sign a 4-year extension worth more than $112M — $28.003M average per year — with $80M fully guaranteed at signing. The highest paid defensive player in football.

That is insane, they better hope the salary cap goes way up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 7:53:38 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

Especially because we won't have any other needs. And those OL draftees (tackles at that!) can step right in can contribute at a high level no matter our draft position(s).

Piece o' cake!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2021 7:59:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

You guys are talking about how poor a job the vikings have done at drafting Olinemen and your plan is to have them draft TWO OTs?

Recipe for disaster.

I was being sarcastic….what I meant was - deal with it in a way other than pay $18m/yr

That isn’t realistic. Its not a take it or leave it situation and there are two interests negotiating the market price.

Its not a kick the can down the road situation either: it was obviously slotted into our budget plan this offseason, next offseason the Red Sea parts and half our starters will be back wandering around the FA wilderness looking for their golden idols … we will need a disciplined approach to maintain competitiveness - not a ‘throw it against the wall next year and see what happens’ approach.

(edit: presuming we will be competitive;

Spielman saw that coming a while back, that's why he drafted 37 players last year. Fill in the gap types.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2021 1:02:48 AM

ratoppenheimer

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no way we see barr Sunday....

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Anthony Barr was absent from practice during the portion open to media. He’s the only player not here. Vikings 6th round rookie, Jaylen Twyman, who was shot 4 times in June and put on the NFI, came to observe practice today.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Adam Zimmer said he isn't sure if Anthony Barr is in football shape yet because he's only been back at practice for one day and was limited. Vikings will monitor the number of snaps Barr plays if he's able to go at CIN.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Adam Zimmer on Barr: "He needs to feel comfortable that he’s strong enough, that he can move the way he needs to move to cover and rush...We have a good relationship when I can trust him to tell me, 'Hey, I can go. Or, I can’t.'"

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2021 7:40:57 AM

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The experts picked the Vikes this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9616sLAy_g

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2021 4:24:35 PM

Bill Jandro

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Quite a situation in Balt. They've lost their top 3 rb's to season ending injuries and Marcus Peters as well.

Now they're collecting all the used up ones in LaVeon bell, Latavious Murray

Think they'd give AD a call

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2021 5:42:36 PM

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Barr is still a bit of a freak, and if motivated, could come in, even not in the best shape, and make a huge impact, in a win.

But I am picking the Bengals in this one. They likely have more cohesion, the game is in Cincy, should be a good game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2021 2:33:15 AM

ratoppenheimer

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Barr is still a bit of a freak, and if motivated, could come in, even not in the best shape, and make a huge impact, in a win.

But I am picking the Bengals in this one. They likely have more cohesion, the game is in Cincy, should be a good game.

...son of a bitch.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2021 7:49:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

O'Neal is literally the only decent olineman Spielman has drafted in ten years at the helm.

Let that sink in.

'sinking in' doesn't say it.

'splatter your brains against the wall' is a tad more apropos.

we don't have a starting left tackle, and we overpay for a right tackle....

i think that danielle hunter is wondering - 'wtf?'...and, 'i need to get a new agent?....

imo - o'neill's contract, at this time, is bad for business....

we could have kept o'neill this season and next for $2m + $14m...then draft a couple of tackles in 2022 and not convert them to guards....

You guys are talking about how poor a job the vikings have done at drafting Olinemen and your plan is to have them draft TWO OTs?

Recipe for disaster.

I was being sarcastic….what I meant was - deal with it in a way other than pay $18m/yr

That isn’t realistic. Its not a take it or leave it situation and there are two interests negotiating the market price.

Its not a kick the can down the road situation either: it was obviously slotted into our budget plan this offseason, next offseason the Red Sea parts and half our starters will be back wandering around the FA wilderness looking for their golden idols … we will need a disciplined approach to maintain competitiveness - not a ‘throw it against the wall next year and see what happens’ approach.

(edit: presuming we will be competitive;

Spielman saw that coming a while back, that's why he drafted 37 players last year. Fill in the gap types.

I think he’s conceded that his coach is going to give him one up year then one down, regardless … so inject the roster this offseason with one year veterans, then back again next year with the late rd booster, and so on.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2021 8:01:41 AM

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Barr is still a bit of a freak, and if motivated, could come in, even not in the best shape, and make a huge impact, in a win.

But I am picking the Bengals in this one. They likely have more cohesion, the game is in Cincy, should be a good game.

...son of a bitch.

So Marty, you think the Bengals have more cohesion than the Vikes? What's wrong with the Vikes' cohesion? Im aware of the tired ol' story about our QB not having his shots but there are a lot of big dogs on this team without their shots. Heck, maybe we have more cohesion than you think. At least I haven't witnessed a lack of cohesion on social media. Well that's not true. The Viking fans lack cohesion in my opinion but I do personally think you under estimate the high level of cohesion that exists on this team.

Go Vikes! And F cohesion and just win - if it exists at all.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2021 8:12:40 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

Barr is still a bit of a freak, and if motivated, could come in, even not in the best shape, and make a huge impact, in a win.

But I am picking the Bengals in this one. They likely have more cohesion, the game is in Cincy, should be a good game.

...son of a bitch.

It is going to be a wild ride for a few games. The roster turnover from last year to this year seems unprecedented … not to mention our strength last year has a whole batch of new coaches with a first year OC.

This may be the first time in nfl history that plays are called-in from someone’s den in a senior living community … you know its just a matter of time before Zimmer makes Klint call his dad during games.

Senior: More ketchup for the meatloaf, honey
Junior: Wait we never installed …
Senior: Sorry (cough, cough) Y59 curl right … tell Kirk to look left before throwing right …

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2021 8:54:21 AM

Bill Jandro

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It will be the Dalvin Cook show.

Cinn was bad stopping the run last season and didn't do much to improve on it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2021 11:02:02 AM

Tom Sykes

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Barr is still a bit of a freak, and if motivated, could come in, even not in the best shape, and make a huge impact, in a win.

But I am picking the Bengals in this one. They likely have more cohesion, the game is in Cincy, should be a good game.

We should crush CIN on paper. I believe we will.

It may be a firedrill but its game 1 for both teams with both teams unfamiliar with the other so, I agree with Ricky's assessment that cohesion may be overrated in this case.

Obviously you never know but most non-cincy fans probably view them as a #27-32 team / most non-viking fans probably view us in 15-20 range. IMO we have enough talent and should have enough balance to be better than that.

If we lose to Cincy it won't be because of talent or youth or home field advantage, it will be because of preparation (ie coaching).

Besides, you would think this game is especially important to Zimmer ... expect the crimson complexion and jarring vocabulary to erupt early ... he should keep us on our toes.

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