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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

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Looks like the plan for oline is: Darrisaw/Ezra/Bradbury/Davis/ONeil

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vikings-rookie-qb-kellen-mond-234100399.html

Are we expecting Davis to be ready to play at the start of the season?

Health-wise or to be able to beat out Dozier/Cole/Hinton?

I think barring injury the above is the starting lineup.

I agree ... on any other team.

For us, I expect Hill-Dozier-Bradbury-Cleveland-O'Neil to start .... then when Hill and Dozier get dinged up, we shuffle to Darrisaw-Ezra-Bradbury-Davis-ONeil.

Inevitable.

Why??

Kalil, Elflein and Bradbury all started right away as high draft picks. O'Neill started 11 of 15 games as a rookie.

Darrisaw is a lock unless he is McKinnie like lazy. Davis should be playing right away unless he still has lingering knee problems.

+1

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Abundantly clear.

I'll be shocked if Rudy has better stats than Smith. Assuming he is healthy is a big if, given that he is already undergoing foot surgery. Rudy can make the one handed catch in the back of the endzone as good or better than anyone. I'll give him that. He doesn't get down the field at all and foot surgery isn't going to make him any faster. He doesn't make yards after catch. He can't even get to his spot in time to throw a block in the running game. Rudy is gone because the Vikings had better options for less money.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Abundantly clear.

I'll be shocked if Rudy has better stats than Smith. Assuming he is healthy is a big if, given that he is already undergoing foot surgery. Rudy can make the one handed catch in the back of the endzone as good or better than anyone. I'll give him that. He doesn't get down the field at all and foot surgery isn't going to make him any faster. He doesn't make yards after catch. He can't even get to his spot in time to throw a block in the running game. Rudy is gone because the Vikings had better options for less money.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Abundantly clear.

I'll be shocked if Rudy has better stats than Smith. Assuming he is healthy is a big if, given that he is already undergoing foot surgery. Rudy can make the one handed catch in the back of the endzone as good or better than anyone. I'll give him that. He doesn't get down the field at all and foot surgery isn't going to make him any faster. He doesn't make yards after catch. He can't even get to his spot in time to throw a block in the running game. Rudy is gone because the Vikings had better options for less money.

Rudolph would have been a great player in 1975.

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Rick was right on the market for these players; the big mistake he made was giving Rudolph the contract in the first place....I think Rick is finally learning it is better to cut bait a year early then a year or two too late.

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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.

1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.

Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.

They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets (Reiff and Rudolph) to comply with NFL mandates to get under the cap and then we signed Tomlinson and Peterson.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.

1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.

Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.

They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets(Reiff and Rudolph) to sign Tomlinson and Peterson.

+1
They have more cap room after June 1st (Rudolph cut in a way to give us more then) & they added 1.8 on the Hughes trade.

The drafted a RB and WR & don't need to solve the KR/PR duties yet but it looked like they are grabbing a few guys that could fill it but there will be cap room for some forementioned guys (Westbrook & Kerrigan) if they are better then what we have.

From Mark's 7 item Fan Complaint Punchlist ...

"All aboard the pessimistic train."

Why does it have to be flower child optimism or else ...

Yes, all seven issues have been talked about incessantly ... I don't see any counter-point from Bill that is out of line.

I would add:

#1 - agree that Spielman was more aggressive this year drafting OL, that is good. I'm relieved it was more than the usual but:

The problem: all three IOL positions were weak last year.
The solution: move pure OT Ezra to a new out-of-position position on the left-side, resign Dozier, sign Cole (to back up Bradbury), draft Davis.
The analysis: there is a helluva lot riding on the Davis pick. (Darrisaw was an easy / obvious pick ... even though they played with fire on that one also) – Davis is the money pick.

IMO if we do not hit on Davis as a starter this season, its no different than any other Spielman OL draft ... and all the 'Spielman's OL light just went on / Spielman the great OL draft investor' optimism can just go away. Which is why he should have covered himself with another G in rd 3. At the least.

#4 - Find a better 3rd WR

??? The audacity to even put this on your list. We'll see what happens with the rest of FA but reaching for a WR in the fifth rd or getting mentioned (ie Westbrook) in the nfl FA rumor mill does not let Spielman off the hook for negligence.

#7 We released veterans because we hand-cuffed ourselves with contract mgmt the last 3 years. We released veterans to get out of cap hell moving forward. We released veterans - specifically Reiff and Rudolph - because we had already used up our renegotiation take-less-or-else approach last year.

Popular veterans? the last 2-3 years people have been screaming on this board to get rid of those two. It died down for Reiff because he played well in 2020. Just like Spielman to hang on to players too long / resign them to inflated over-valued contracts / not find better alternatives in the meantime / then have to eject them when they actually earn their inflated contracts (Reiff not Rudolph ... nobody thought Rudolph worthy of our investment).

Yes, it opened up cap space which allowed us to bandaid our defense for one year – while we see if Zimmer / Spielman are going to survive this 2021 roster redo.

Anybody touting the 'flexibility' of our one year deals is out of their mind. That only works when you have a solid roster and you have one or two spots that need attention ... or you want to add a pinch of great value here or there ... it's the most short-sighted desperate thing you can do if you are talking about plugging 4-6 starters into a depleted roster.

That is not team building, that is meatball surgery. We have converted into a MASH unit this offseason. If we have a good season this year - which is my expectation - we'll be back next year shuffling deck chairs on the titanic for our follow-on down year.

#7 addendum – to say we cut popular Vets to sign Tomlinson and Peterson ... Tomlinson yes (and even then, our big FA prize on a 2 yr contract?)

Peterson? no. He came out of the blue. The regime is still in disbelief that he rushed past former players Griffith Alexander etc and threw himself at their feet.

......

Pessimism? no. Spielman has ramped up his urgency this offseason and made one uncharacteristic move after another. That's good. We didn't sit still even though we were cap-strapped. That's good.

Everything is still on paper. It's the result (wins) not the strategy (signing FAs, drafting) that really counts.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Abundantly clear.

I'll be shocked if Rudy has better stats than Smith. Assuming he is healthy is a big if, given that he is already undergoing foot surgery. Rudy can make the one handed catch in the back of the endzone as good or better than anyone. I'll give him that. He doesn't get down the field at all and foot surgery isn't going to make him any faster. He doesn't make yards after catch. He can't even get to his spot in time to throw a block in the running game. Rudy is gone because the Vikings had better options for less money.

Rudolph would have been a great player in 1975.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Abundantly clear.

I'll be shocked if Rudy has better stats than Smith. Assuming he is healthy is a big if, given that he is already undergoing foot surgery. Rudy can make the one handed catch in the back of the endzone as good or better than anyone. I'll give him that. He doesn't get down the field at all and foot surgery isn't going to make him any faster. He doesn't make yards after catch. He can't even get to his spot in time to throw a block in the running game. Rudy is gone because the Vikings had better options for less money.

Rudolph would have been a great player in 1975.

Boy him and Kleinsasser.... hey junior adjust those rabbit ears.

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Wouldn't have guessed that.

Just got my Cook (and Hunter) jersey in the mail. All I need is for Cook to set the new rushing record, when I'm in attendance...say 333 for #33 and to sign my jersey.

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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.

1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.

Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.

They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets (Reiff and Rudolph) to comply with NFL mandates to get under the cap and then we signed Tomlinson and Peterson.

Fixed it for you!

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Agreed on using up the low ball offers on those two. Had really hoped nobody would bring up Rudolph as an example of some big, bold (your definition may vary), stick-your-neck-out cut RS made. But I see the place is littered with Rudy the popular vet posts. 21 ypg and 23 ypg in 2020 and 2019 respectively. He could fall forward with two catches per game and gain 6 yards alone.

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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.

1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.

Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.

They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets (Reiff and Rudolph) to comply with NFL mandates to get under the cap and then we signed Tomlinson and Peterson.

Fixed it for you!

Tomato/tomahto

It's something the Board has been clamoring for and Speilman did it.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Agreed on using up the low ball offers on those two. Had really hoped nobody would bring up Rudolph as an example of some big, bold (your definition may vary), stick-your-neck-out cut RS made. But I see the place is littered with Rudy the popular vet posts. 21 ypg and 23 ypg in 2020 and 2019 respectively. He could fall forward with two catches per game and gain 6 yards alone.

For all his production, as Sweens points out, sticking his big mitt up in the back of the endzone was his biggest asset. No vertical ability, just tallness ability.

Even so, I think Rudy was vastly underrated ... people don't take into account that he had to catch the ball and then fall over the nearest defender, essentially tackling the tackler while looking like the victim.

It's a unique skillset. Can't wait to see our new TE Punter try and top that.

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I would guess it's pretty rare for Zimmer to call a rookie DB "brilliant".


Any one connected with Bruce lately? Miss his presence on the board.

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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

Not clear at all.

You and I understand Smith and Conklin are the future of our shorty TE group (even though Rudy had better stats in a 12 game injury season than Conklin in 16) ... stats just don't say it all.

[Long in the tooth or not, it would not surprise me if Rudy has better stats in NY (if he stays healthy) than either Irvin Conklin next year ... hopefully we utilize the position better.]
My point was directed at Reiff but applies to Rudy somewhat, if we hadn't 'used up' our low-ball-to-the-groin offer last year, I would have expected nothing less than trying to squeeze another year this offseason, depending on Rudolphs tolerance for insult.

But we are quibbling over sketchy details ... he had to go, he's gone ... we will save some money post June 1 (which in theory is another argument for why releasing him was not to go after FAs this offseason ... atleast not the good ones)

Agreed on using up the low ball offers on those two. Had really hoped nobody would bring up Rudolph as an example of some big, bold (your definition may vary), stick-your-neck-out cut RS made. But I see the place is littered with Rudy the popular vet posts. 21 ypg and 23 ypg in 2020 and 2019 respectively. He could fall forward with two catches per game and gain 6 yards alone.

For all his production, as Sweens points out, sticking his big mitt up in the back of the endzone was his biggest asset. No vertical ability, just tallness ability.

Even so, I think Rudy was vastly underrated ... people don't take into account that he had to catch the ball and then fall over the nearest defender, essentially tackling the tackler while looking like the victim.

It's a unique skillset. Can't wait to see our new TE Punter try and top that.

So IOW you have a love-hate relationship with Rudy. Maybe he'll go to the Chiefs. Hughes, you, KGBum, Rudy.... could add new meaning to tailgating.