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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 10:19:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pager

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From Courtney Cronin’ a Twitter feed....


With Phase II of OTAs beginning Monday, Zimmer seemed confident a good number of veterans will be in attendance: "The communication that I’ve had and heard through with the guys, they like being here, they like being around each other, they like coming to work and trying to get better. And if they don’t show up, we’ll coach the guys that are here. That’s what we do."

I asked Zimmer about whether Mike Hughes' health (limited to 24 games over 3 years) played a factor in the Vikings' trading the former 1st rounder: "Mike is a terrific kid. He’s been injured an awful lot. With the way that everything is now, we were fortunate to get a couple corners last year in the draft, we signed Patrick Peterson in free agency, so I think that gave us the opportunity to make the trade."

Zimmer on why the Vikings started Wyatt Davis out at RG, where he played in college, and the possibility of moving him around the OL: "It’s just where we think they might fit, get a look at them. I’m sure that won’t be the last place he lines up, at least next OTAs."

Mike Zimmer on Kellen Mond putting so much time into studying Kirk Cousins on film/trying to incorporate his skillset and what he wants him to learn from Cousins: "I want him to be himself. We brought him in here as a talented athletic quarterback and just want him to be himself. The things he can learn from Kirk are the way that he handles the games, the way that he goes about his business in the classroom, on the field how to work."

I read an article(pioneer press I think) where Zimmer says he knows things about Gladney situation but can't say anything. I'm thinking charges dropped or reduced since we traded away Hughes.


Yeah - it's from his presser after rookie camp. https://www.vikings.com/



he has not been formally charged, nor arraigned - no scheduled arraignment...the incident happened six weeks ago....

my guess would be that gladney hasn't paid her yet....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 11:05:24 AM   
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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.



Spot on Mark!

Zoom call with a group of current and former Talk Vikers during the draft who don’t always agree on all things Vikings were in 100% agreement on all the points you just mentioned..



Sounds exclusive! How does one get an invite

I feel like the last two drafts/offseasons was a lot of purging to fix some bad decisions from the last 3-4 years. Aside from in-season coaching decisions last season I had issues with and Spielman's terrible Yannick trade, I modestly optimistic. I like the 1 year deals for S, and the 2 yr deals for DTs. We've got a lot more flexibility than we've had with the cap in quite a few years.

I have more hope for this oline than I have had for a decade. But, being a Viking, I'm also ready to be Charlie Browned by Lucy again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 11:51:18 AM   
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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 12:34:01 PM   
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To be fair to Davis - he was the #2 rated "pure" guard (by many pundits) in the draft who fell to 3rd round due to injury concerns. Plus 3rd round guards that become starters are at worst the middle of the bell curve for draft pick by round (probably 1 or 2 standard deviations higher - tho thats my educated guess without doing the research).

We can argue some the nuance of the statements, but I think most of us can agree the process was different (approach to FA/draft). Whether by necessity or a change in philosophy is up for debate (and how successful it will be). I'm hoping for the latter.

< Message edited by Pager -- 5/16/2021 12:35:03 PM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 12:42:44 PM   
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That leaves the Vikings with a little over $9.4 million in cap savings at the moment. However, keep in mind the team still needs to sign rookies, so that number is probably closer to $6-7 million in cap space when it’s all said and done.

Another thing to keep in mind: the Vikings used a post-June 1 designation on Kyle Rudolph’s release, so that’s $7.9 million more in cap savings on the books in June, putting Minnesota at roughly around $14 million in space.

https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-salary-cap-space-mike-220813157.html

Looking into next year - without rolling any of that 14M over - We are 17M under the cap (it looks like it is projecting 192 cap which might be low based on new TV deals) with 44 players signed. Only Ruddolph has dead hit next year of 2.9. ONeill's 2nd deal probably takes up 8M or so plus some this year and next year for signing bonus.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/minnesota-vikings/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 1:03:22 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 5/16/2021 1:07:26 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 1:08:44 PM   
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From Courtney Cronin’ a Twitter feed....


With Phase II of OTAs beginning Monday, Zimmer seemed confident a good number of veterans will be in attendance: "The communication that I’ve had and heard through with the guys, they like being here, they like being around each other, they like coming to work and trying to get better. And if they don’t show up, we’ll coach the guys that are here. That’s what we do."

I asked Zimmer about whether Mike Hughes' health (limited to 24 games over 3 years) played a factor in the Vikings' trading the former 1st rounder: "Mike is a terrific kid. He’s been injured an awful lot. With the way that everything is now, we were fortunate to get a couple corners last year in the draft, we signed Patrick Peterson in free agency, so I think that gave us the opportunity to make the trade."

Zimmer on why the Vikings started Wyatt Davis out at RG, where he played in college, and the possibility of moving him around the OL: "It’s just where we think they might fit, get a look at them. I’m sure that won’t be the last place he lines up, at least next OTAs."

Mike Zimmer on Kellen Mond putting so much time into studying Kirk Cousins on film/trying to incorporate his skillset and what he wants him to learn from Cousins: "I want him to be himself. We brought him in here as a talented athletic quarterback and just want him to be himself. The things he can learn from Kirk are the way that he handles the games, the way that he goes about his business in the classroom, on the field how to work."

I read an article(pioneer press I think) where Zimmer says he knows things about Gladney situation but can't say anything. I'm thinking charges dropped or reduced since we traded away Hughes.


Yeah - it's from his presser after rookie camp. https://www.vikings.com/



he has not been formally charged, nor arraigned - no scheduled arraignment...the incident happened six weeks ago....

my guess would be that gladney hasn't paid her yet....

Who knows this stuff goes anymore. The Timberwolves had a player threaten a family at gunpoint, while having illegal weapons in his house and threw his wife under the bus for the drugs that were found in his house and they gave him a fat, multi-year contract extendion.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 3:30:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

From Courtney Cronin’ a Twitter feed....


With Phase II of OTAs beginning Monday, Zimmer seemed confident a good number of veterans will be in attendance: "The communication that I’ve had and heard through with the guys, they like being here, they like being around each other, they like coming to work and trying to get better. And if they don’t show up, we’ll coach the guys that are here. That’s what we do."

I asked Zimmer about whether Mike Hughes' health (limited to 24 games over 3 years) played a factor in the Vikings' trading the former 1st rounder: "Mike is a terrific kid. He’s been injured an awful lot. With the way that everything is now, we were fortunate to get a couple corners last year in the draft, we signed Patrick Peterson in free agency, so I think that gave us the opportunity to make the trade."

Zimmer on why the Vikings started Wyatt Davis out at RG, where he played in college, and the possibility of moving him around the OL: "It’s just where we think they might fit, get a look at them. I’m sure that won’t be the last place he lines up, at least next OTAs."

Mike Zimmer on Kellen Mond putting so much time into studying Kirk Cousins on film/trying to incorporate his skillset and what he wants him to learn from Cousins: "I want him to be himself. We brought him in here as a talented athletic quarterback and just want him to be himself. The things he can learn from Kirk are the way that he handles the games, the way that he goes about his business in the classroom, on the field how to work."

I read an article(pioneer press I think) where Zimmer says he knows things about Gladney situation but can't say anything. I'm thinking charges dropped or reduced since we traded away Hughes.


Yeah - it's from his presser after rookie camp. https://www.vikings.com/



he has not been formally charged, nor arraigned - no scheduled arraignment...the incident happened six weeks ago....

my guess would be that gladney hasn't paid her yet....

Who knows this stuff goes anymore. The Timberwolves had a player threaten a family at gunpoint, while having illegal weapons in his house and threw his wife under the bus for the drugs that were found in his house and they gave him a fat, multi-year contract extendion.


If Gladney doesn't have any priors, it wouldn't be a surprise if he's heading into a diversionary program and getting counseling for anger management, etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 3:45:02 PM   
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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.


Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 3:57:45 PM   
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And I don't think Mond will push Cousins, at least for the rest of KC's current contract. They can however groom him for a couple of years and see what's there in year 3. Hopefully he's at least in the mix for a starting job.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 4:12:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.


Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 4:14:46 PM   
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And I don't think Mond will push Cousins, at least for the rest of KC's current contract. They can however groom him for a couple of years and see what's there in year 3. Hopefully he's at least in the mix for a starting job.

I forgot Mond is a modern day QB in the RPO style. Another Board wish.

Also, nepotism aside, Klint Kubiak is a young play caller and not a fossil.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 4:23:13 PM   
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That leaves the Vikings with a little over $9.4 million in cap savings at the moment. However, keep in mind the team still needs to sign rookies, so that number is probably closer to $6-7 million in cap space when it’s all said and done.

Another thing to keep in mind: the Vikings used a post-June 1 designation on Kyle Rudolph’s release, so that’s $7.9 million more in cap savings on the books in June, putting Minnesota at roughly around $14 million in space.

https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-salary-cap-space-mike-220813157.html

Looking into next year - without rolling any of that 14M over - We are 17M under the cap (it looks like it is projecting 192 cap which might be low based on new TV deals) with 44 players signed. Only Ruddolph has dead hit next year of 2.9. ONeill's 2nd deal probably takes up 8M or so plus some this year and next year for signing bonus.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/minnesota-vikings/


26 FAs, to include Harrison Smith, Barr, Patrick Peterson, O'Neill as mentioned, Woods, Alexander, and Hill.

Position-wise summarized: OL starter and top depth guy, both safeties, two of the top 3/4 CBs. Hope Bynum works out to fill one S spot. If Gladney plays and plays better then those two really reduce the burden on the potential secondary needs.

In 2022, Barr has a $10m cap hit/dead cap so it's KIND OF like signing a LB for $10m except said LB isn't to be found.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 4:25:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.


Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.


They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 4:32:01 PM   
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And I don't think Mond will push Cousins, at least for the rest of KC's current contract. They can however groom him for a couple of years and see what's there in year 3. Hopefully he's at least in the mix for a starting job.

I forgot Mond is a modern day QB in the RPO style. Another Board wish.

Also, nepotism aside, Klint Kubiak is a young play caller and not a fossil.


Kubiak is young. He is a play caller. And yes he technically is a young playcaller. Who learned from his dad, the fossil and Norv Turner the dinosaur. And Stefanski to hopefully balance out Turner.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 4:40:00 PM   
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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.


Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.


They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets(Reiff and Rudolph) to sign Tomlinson and Peterson.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/16/2021 4:57:35 PM   
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That leaves the Vikings with a little over $9.4 million in cap savings at the moment. However, keep in mind the team still needs to sign rookies, so that number is probably closer to $6-7 million in cap space when it’s all said and done.

Another thing to keep in mind: the Vikings used a post-June 1 designation on Kyle Rudolph’s release, so that’s $7.9 million more in cap savings on the books in June, putting Minnesota at roughly around $14 million in space.

https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-salary-cap-space-mike-220813157.html

Looking into next year - without rolling any of that 14M over - We are 17M under the cap (it looks like it is projecting 192 cap which might be low based on new TV deals) with 44 players signed. Only Ruddolph has dead hit next year of 2.9. ONeill's 2nd deal probably takes up 8M or so plus some this year and next year for signing bonus.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/minnesota-vikings/


26 FAs, to include Harrison Smith, Barr, Patrick Peterson, O'Neill as mentioned, Woods, Alexander, and Hill.

Position-wise summarized: OL starter and top depth guy, both safeties, two of the top 3/4 CBs. Hope Bynum works out to fill one S spot. If Gladney plays and plays better then those two really reduce the burden on the potential secondary needs.

In 2022, Barr has a $10m cap hit/dead cap so it's KIND OF like signing a LB for $10m except said LB isn't to be found.



Do you enjoy pissing in people's cereal? Nothing Mark posted was an extreme take nor IMO "fantasyland".


If the Oline is as suggested, then 4 of the 5 will be on rookie contracts with only ONeill needing an extension, which a RT shouldn't be cap busting.

Mac, Woods, Hill should be relatively inexpensive resigns if we want. I love the flexibility of the 1 year deals.

Smith & Peterson are basically on 1 year deals and on the tail of end of their careers. They most likely would be more expensive to bring back (compared to Mac/Woods/Hill) but only if they produce and Vikes/they want to come back. Again love the flexibility.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 7:56:11 AM   
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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.


Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.


They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets(Reiff and Rudolph) to sign Tomlinson and Peterson.

+1
They have more cap room after June 1st (Rudolph cut in a way to give us more then) & they added 1.8 on the Hughes trade.

The drafted a RB and WR & don't need to solve the KR/PR duties yet but it looked like they are grabbing a few guys that could fill it but there will be cap room for some forementioned guys (Westbrook & Kerrigan) if they are better then what we have.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 8:00:37 AM   
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A couple notes from #Vikings rookie camp today:

—Had the Vikings not traded Mike Hughes, it sounds like a release wasn’t far off. Hadn’t played with the same edge after the injuries (this was a concern as far back as last year), and might have been a camp cut.
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—4th-round pick Janarius Robinson looks awfully impressive. Built like Danielle Hunter, but with even longer arms. He’s Andre Patterson’s next big project.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 9:23:38 AM   
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#Vikings had some interest in pass rusher Ryan Kerrigan. But never got to the point of making an offer. He’s off to Philly:

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 11:24:26 AM   
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Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.


Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.


They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets(Reiff and Rudolph) to sign Tomlinson and Peterson.

+1
They have more cap room after June 1st (Rudolph cut in a way to give us more then) & they added 1.8 on the Hughes trade.

The drafted a RB and WR & don't need to solve the KR/PR duties yet but it looked like they are grabbing a few guys that could fill it but there will be cap room for some forementioned guys (Westbrook & Kerrigan) if they are better then what we have.

From Mark's 7 item Fan Complaint Punchlist ...

"All aboard the pessimistic train."

Why does it have to be flower child optimism or else ...

Yes, all seven issues have been talked about incessantly ... I don't see any counter-point from Bill that is out of line.

I would add:

#1 - agree that Spielman was more aggressive this year drafting OL, that is good. I'm relieved it was more than the usual but:

The problem: all three IOL positions were weak last year.
The solution: move pure OT Ezra to a new out-of-position position on the left-side, resign Dozier, sign Cole (to back up Bradbury), draft Davis.
The analysis: there is a helluva lot riding on the Davis pick. (Darrisaw was an easy / obvious pick ... even though they played with fire on that one also) – Davis is the money pick.

IMO if we do not hit on Davis as a starter this season, its no different than any other Spielman OL draft ... and all the 'Spielman's OL light just went on / Spielman the great OL draft investor' optimism can just go away. Which is why he should have covered himself with another G in rd 3. At the least.

#4 - Find a better 3rd WR

??? The audacity to even put this on your list. We'll see what happens with the rest of FA but reaching for a WR in the fifth rd or getting mentioned (ie Westbrook) in the nfl FA rumor mill does not let Spielman off the hook for negligence.

#7 We released veterans because we hand-cuffed ourselves with contract mgmt the last 3 years. We released veterans to get out of cap hell moving forward. We released veterans - specifically Reiff and Rudolph - because we had already used up our renegotiation take-less-or-else approach last year.

Popular veterans? the last 2-3 years people have been screaming on this board to get rid of those two. It died down for Reiff because he played well in 2020. Just like Spielman to hang on to players too long / resign them to inflated over-valued contracts / not find better alternatives in the meantime / then have to eject them when they actually earn their inflated contracts (Reiff not Rudolph ... nobody thought Rudolph worthy of our investment).

Yes, it opened up cap space which allowed us to bandaid our defense for one year – while we see if Zimmer / Spielman are going to survive this 2021 roster redo.

Anybody touting the 'flexibility' of our one year deals is out of their mind. That only works when you have a solid roster and you have one or two spots that need attention ... or you want to add a pinch of great value here or there ... it's the most short-sighted desperate thing you can do if you are talking about plugging 4-6 starters into a depleted roster.

That is not team building, that is meatball surgery. We have converted into a MASH unit this offseason. If we have a good season this year - which is my expectation - we'll be back next year shuffling deck chairs on the titanic for our follow-on down year.

#7 addendum – to say we cut popular Vets to sign Tomlinson and Peterson ... Tomlinson yes (and even then, our big FA prize on a 2 yr contract?)

Peterson? no. He came out of the blue. The regime is still in disbelief that he rushed past former players Griffith Alexander etc and threw himself at their feet.

......

Pessimism? no. Spielman has ramped up his urgency this offseason and made one uncharacteristic move after another. That's good. We didn't sit still even though we were cap-strapped. That's good.

Everything is still on paper. It's the result (wins) not the strategy (signing FAs, drafting) that really counts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 11:42:57 AM   
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#7...Let's be clear. We cut Rudy because he is done and didn't want to renegotiate. He was the 3rd best TE on the roster by the end of the year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 11:47:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Unless Rick Dennison suddenly find the difference betweeen HIS ASS, and an offensive line man’s actuall skill set, I expect to see runs on first and ten, gadget slow developing runs on ant and all downs and stupid blocking schemes on quick throws short of the sticks on third down in particular.

Dennison, and Raucher, and new OC KKubi… will need to move the chains and score TD’s from everywhere on the field to convince me 1979 football is not still being played by the 2021 Vikings.

If the OL continues to suck, KC continues to be a borderline second tier QB, and one or more reliever gets hurt, develops the drops, or Cook gets mediocre with his constant over use and beating, I expect 7-10, again, for the first time, and a mid high half draft pick next year.

I demand better, as a fan, but god knows what I want, never happens…

BP2 sux ass.

We scored 50 TDs and we only had about 8 total quarters of garbage time football. Is that bad?

You would think we averaged 14 points a game with no explosive plays.

We have done pretty much everything that the Board(myself included) complains about every year.
1) Draft multiple OLineman high
2) Don't change their position(Olineman)
3) Draft a QB to push Cousins instead of keeping some Slappy to make Kirk feel good.
4) Find a better 3rd WR
5) Find some Kick and Punt Returners
6) Don't trade mid round picks to get multiple 7th Rounders. Stay put and pick best available.
7) We cut popular Vets to get cap space to bring in valuable FAs.

Will it all work out? Not sure but time will tell.


1) A mid-low 3rd rounder isn't exactly high, although the bar is pretty low around here.
2) They may already be thinking of changing Cleveland from RG to LG.
4) Who is the better 3WR? The 5th round pick is the only change at WR since last year so you mean him?
5) What punt returner did they find?
7) They were forced to cut veterans in order to merely get under the cap. Really Reiff was the only major cut after the restructures were exhausted, the rest were fairly run of the mill that happen with all teams sooner or later. I pity the fool who brings up Rudolph and his 21 ypg average (down from 23 ypg in 2019).

You win. All aboard the pessimistic train.

Who's Top rated QB for 2022? Rattler from Oklahoma. He would look good in Purple.


Who did we 'find' as the punt returner?

We had to be under the cap by March 17; Reiff was cut March 10. "His release frees up $11.75 million in cap space to put Minnesota $8,730,584 under the cap."

Optimistic is one thing, living in fantasyland is another.

I guess I should have said it wasn't status quo in the punt and kick return games.

We could have stayed with Reiff and did the Thielen re-structure to get under cap.

Also, the Olineman staying in same position was meant for the draftees, not existing players.

Did I say it will all work out perfectly(fantasyland)? No. Time will tell but the majority of the moves are something that this board has wanted in the past.


They tried to restructure Reiff again but he wasn't having any of it.

I don't know what they will do at PR.

Thanks for the walkback, uhh I mean clarity!

I stick by number 7.

We cut popular Vets(Reiff and Rudolph) to sign Tomlinson and Peterson.

+1
They have more cap room after June 1st (Rudolph cut in a way to give us more then) & they added 1.8 on the Hughes trade.

The drafted a RB and WR & don't need to solve the KR/PR duties yet but it looked like they are grabbing a few guys that could fill it but there will be cap room for some forementioned guys (Westbrook & Kerrigan) if they are better then what we have.

From Mark's 7 item Fan Complaint Punchlist ...

"All aboard the pessimistic train."

Why does it have to be flower child optimism or else ...

Yes, all seven issues have been talked about incessantly ... I don't see any counter-point from Bill that is out of line.

I would add:

#1 - agree that Spielman was more aggressive this year drafting OL, that is good. I'm relieved it was more than the usual but:

The problem: all three IOL positions were weak last year.
The solution: move pure OT Ezra to a new out-of-position position on the left-side, resign Dozier, sign Cole (to back up Bradbury), draft Davis.
The analysis: there is a helluva lot riding on the Davis pick. (Darrisaw was an easy / obvious pick ... even though they played with fire on that one also) – Davis is the money pick.

IMO if we do not hit on Davis as a starter this season, its no different than any other Spielman OL draft ... and all the 'Spielman's OL light just went on / Spielman the great OL draft investor' optimism can just go away. Which is why he should have covered himself with another G in rd 3. At the least.

#4 - Find a better 3rd WR

??? The audacity to even put this on your list. We'll see what happens with the rest of FA but reaching for a WR in the fifth rd or getting mentioned (ie Westbrook) in the nfl FA rumor mill does not let Spielman off the hook for negligence.

#7 We released veterans because we hand-cuffed ourselves with contract mgmt the last 3 years. We released veterans to get out of cap hell moving forward. We released veterans - specifically Reiff and Rudolph - because we had already used up our renegotiation take-less-or-else approach last year.

Popular veterans? the last 2-3 years people have been screaming on this board to get rid of those two. It died down for Reiff because he played well in 2020. Just like Spielman to hang on to players too long / resign them to inflated over-valued contracts / not find better alternatives in the meantime / then have to eject them when they actually earn their inflated contracts (Reiff not Rudolph ... nobody thought Rudolph worthy of our investment).

Yes, it opened up cap space which allowed us to bandaid our defense for one year – while we see if Zimmer / Spielman are going to survive this 2021 roster redo.

Anybody touting the 'flexibility' of our one year deals is out of their mind. That only works when you have a solid roster and you have one or two spots that need attention ... or you want to add a pinch of great value here or there ... it's the most short-sighted desperate thing you can do if you are talking about plugging 4-6 starters into a depleted roster.

That is not team building, that is meatball surgery. We have converted into a MASH unit this offseason. If we have a good season this year - which is my expectation - we'll be back next year shuffling deck chairs on the titanic for our follow-on down year.

#7 addendum – to say we cut popular Vets to sign Tomlinson and Peterson ... Tomlinson yes (and even then, our big FA prize on a 2 yr contract?)

Peterson? no. He came out of the blue. The regime is still in disbelief that he rushed past former players Griffith Alexander etc and threw himself at their feet.

......

Pessimism? no. Spielman has ramped up his urgency this offseason and made one uncharacteristic move after another. That's good. We didn't sit still even though we were cap-strapped. That's good.

Everything is still on paper. It's the result (wins) not the strategy (signing FAs, drafting) that really counts.


We are really pretty much on the same page.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 11:52:23 AM   
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Looks like the plan for oline is: Darrisaw/Ezra/Bradbury/Davis/ONeil

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vikings-rookie-qb-kellen-mond-234100399.html

Are we expecting Davis to be ready to play at the start of the season?



Health-wise or to be able to beat out Dozier/Cole/Hinton?

I think barring injury the above is the starting lineup.

I was referring to his health/recovery. Purple for the win a podcast I listen to says he is ready to rock.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/17/2021 11:55:48 AM   
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Looks like the plan for oline is: Darrisaw/Ezra/Bradbury/Davis/ONeil

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vikings-rookie-qb-kellen-mond-234100399.html

Are we expecting Davis to be ready to play at the start of the season?



Health-wise or to be able to beat out Dozier/Cole/Hinton?

I think barring injury the above is the starting lineup.

I agree ... on any other team.

For us, I expect Hill-Dozier-Bradbury-Cleveland-O'Neil to start .... then when Hill and Dozier get dinged up, we shuffle to Darrisaw-Ezra-Bradbury-Davis-ONeil.

Inevitable.

Why??

Kalil, Elflein and Bradbury all started right away as high draft picks. O'Neill started 11 of 15 games as a rookie.

Darrisaw is a lock unless he is McKinnie like lazy. Davis should be playing right away unless he still has lingering knee problems.

+1

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