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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 6:51:02 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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Let's realize the team we have and how many 3 rec sets we run before we drool over a big 3rd receiver.

We're fine for 3/4/5 with what we have.

Until AT or JJ go down with an injury.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 7:13:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Breeland was booked at 1:26 p.m. and charged on five counts: resisting arrest, the transport of alcohol in a motor vehicle with a broken seal, open container of beer or wine in motor vehicle, possession of 28 grams or less of marijuana or 10 grams of hash, and driving without a license.Apr 29, 2020

Between resisting arrest and the unhappy tweets after his initial visit this guy seems like he could be a little too volatile personality wise.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 8:19:25 AM   
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Let's realize the team we have and how many 3 rec sets we run before we drool over a big 3rd receiver.

We're fine for 3/4/5 with what we have.

Julio is a heck of a blocker.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 11:04:17 AM   
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Enough of that discussion.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 11:07:23 AM   
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Breeland was booked at 1:26 p.m. and charged on five counts: resisting arrest, the transport of alcohol in a motor vehicle with a broken seal, open container of beer or wine in motor vehicle, possession of 28 grams or less of marijuana or 10 grams of hash, and driving without a license.Apr 29, 2020

Between resisting arrest and the unhappy tweets after his initial visit this guy seems like he could be a little too volatile personality wise.

Hence his availability this late in the process.

A wild card for sure.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 12:52:56 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 5:05:36 PM   
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Julio Jones, Derrick Henry and AJ Brown. That is three monster athletes on one team.



Derek Henry, I seem to remember Adrian Peterson taking shit from a certain poster for being pretty much a one trick pony.

Henry is a true 1970’s throwback RB.

Never had over 19 receptions in any season while AD had two over 40.

Henry certainly is a stud, but I get it, doesn’t play into your narrative.

In all honesty I’d rather have Dalvin Cook then either. He is truly the modern back that helps you on all downs.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 5:42:31 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 5:45:32 PM   
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Well in fairness Henry fumbled 10 times - in his career. AD could do that in a season.

Is that 10 fumbles or lost fumbles?
How many seasons did Peterson fumble 10 times? What was his most lost fumbles in a season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 5:48:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Julio Jones, Derrick Henry and AJ Brown. That is three monster athletes on one team.



Derek Henry, I seem to remember Adrian Peterson taking shit from a certain poster for being pretty much a one trick pony.

Henry is a true 1970’s throwback RB.

Never had over 19 receptions in any season while AD had two over 40.

Henry certainly is a stud, but I get it, doesn’t play into your narrative.

In all honesty I’d rather have Dalvin Cook then either. He is truly the modern back that helps you on all downs.



than. As in than either!

Didn't say a word about it the first 99 times you did it.

Do you talk like that?

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 6/6/2021 5:49:28 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 5:52:13 PM   
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Well in fairness Henry fumbled 10 times - in his career. AD could do that in a season.

Is that 10 fumbles or lost fumbles?
How many seasons did Peterson fumble 10 times? What was his most lost fumbles in a season.


Too bad posters like BarbFreeze, MikeSlipy, etc have been replaced by the likes of you.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 6:03:40 PM   
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Breeland was booked at 1:26 p.m. and charged on five counts: resisting arrest, the transport of alcohol in a motor vehicle with a broken seal, open container of beer or wine in motor vehicle, possession of 28 grams or less of marijuana or 10 grams of hash, and driving without a license.Apr 29, 2020

Between resisting arrest and the unhappy tweets after his initial visit this guy seems like he could be a little too volatile personality wise.

Hence his availability this late in the process.

A wild card for sure.


Yes, availability and maybe a reduced contract although that's debatable since his last two contracts have been one-year deals with KC for $2 M then $3 M (he lost ~ 750K of that from his 4-game suspension).

1 yr, $4 million this late in the offseason is ok.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 6:27:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Breeland arrest: https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/05/01/watch-terrifying-scene-as-officer-draws-gun-when-chiefs-bashaud-breeland-is-uncooperative-during-arrest/

From another article:
As was reported by multiple outlets, Chiefs’ cornerback Bashaud Breeland was arrested on multiple misdemeanor charges in South Carolina stemming from marijuana and alcohol use along with resisting arrest.

While we certainly do not know all the details and it is absolutely premature to try and offer an idea as to what will happen for Breeland legally, there have been recent developments.

Tom Pelissero, of NFL Network reported that on top of the recent arrest and charges, Breeland was already facing a four game suspension for violations of the League’s substance abuse policy.


So essentially we got a reverse 'Back to the Future' Holton Hill.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 6:57:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Julio Jones, Derrick Henry and AJ Brown. That is three monster athletes on one team.



Derek Henry, I seem to remember Adrian Peterson taking shit from a certain poster for being pretty much a one trick pony.

Henry is a true 1970’s throwback RB.

Never had over 19 receptions in any season while AD had two over 40.

Henry certainly is a stud, but I get it, doesn’t play into your narrative.

In all honesty I’d rather have Dalvin Cook then either. He is truly the modern back that helps you on all downs.


I was looking at the all-time fumblers, frankly QBs dominate that list, but of the all time RBs AD is not near the top.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 8:15:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well in fairness Henry fumbled 10 times - in his career. AD could do that in a season.

Is that 10 fumbles or lost fumbles?
How many seasons did Peterson fumble 10 times? What was his most lost fumbles in a season.


Too bad posters like BarbFreeze, MikeSlipy, etc have been replaced by the likes of you.

The fixation between lost or recovered fumbles vs. is only a horribly annoying fixation. There are worse.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 8:19:38 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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Breeland was booked at 1:26 p.m. and charged on five counts: resisting arrest, the transport of alcohol in a motor vehicle with a broken seal, open container of beer or wine in motor vehicle, possession of 28 grams or less of marijuana or 10 grams of hash, and driving without a license.Apr 29, 2020

Between resisting arrest and the unhappy tweets after his initial visit this guy seems like he could be a little too volatile personality wise.

Hence his availability this late in the process.

A wild card for sure.


Yes, availability and maybe a reduced contract although that's debatable since his last two contracts have been one-year deals with KC for $2 M then $3 M (he lost ~ 750K of that from his 4-game suspension).

1 yr, $4 million this late in the offseason is ok.

Seems like pretty tall cotton for Breeland.

It feels to me like we kind of caved.

Have you read his tweets (after signing with us) as he pines for KC?

Much less the tweets complaining about our lowball offer.

There has to be a Gladney factor or something.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 6/6/2021 8:35:50 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 8:29:58 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Julio Jones, Derrick Henry and AJ Brown. That is three monster athletes on one team.



Derek Henry, I seem to remember Adrian Peterson taking shit from a certain poster for being pretty much a one trick pony.

Henry is a true 1970’s throwback RB.

Never had over 19 receptions in any season while AD had two over 40.

Henry certainly is a stud, but I get it, doesn’t play into your narrative.

In all honesty I’d rather have Dalvin Cook then either. He is truly the modern back that helps you on all downs.


I was looking at the all-time fumblers, frankly QBs dominate that list, but of the all time RBs AD is not near the top.

But those other all-timers weren't coughing the ball up for *us. It just seemed to happen so often for Mr. Vicegrips.

*Cousins is easily our best chance to shatter that record, if he stays on for another season or two.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 8:38:42 PM   
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https://twitter.com/Vikings/status/1401705214558621696
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 9:22:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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Well in fairness Henry fumbled 10 times - in his career. AD could do that in a season.

Is that 10 fumbles or lost fumbles?
How many seasons did Peterson fumble 10 times? What was his most lost fumbles in a season.


Too bad posters like BarbFreeze, MikeSlipy, etc have been replaced by the likes of you.

The fixation between lost or recovered fumbles vs. is only a horribly annoying fixation. There are worse.


Is there a chance that anyone could explain to that guy that even fumbles that aren't lost
are still bad, especially from a QB? A QB fumble that's recovered by the offense still amounts
to a lost down and almost always a loss of yardage. On 3rd down it results in a punt and change
of possession. Please, inform him that fumbles, especially from a QB are almost never a good
thing.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 9:59:27 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 10:08:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you fumble it forward it should count as a good stat. Right?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 10:57:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well in fairness Henry fumbled 10 times - in his career. AD could do that in a season.

Is that 10 fumbles or lost fumbles?
How many seasons did Peterson fumble 10 times? What was his most lost fumbles in a season.


Too bad posters like BarbFreeze, MikeSlipy, etc have been replaced by the likes of you.

The fixation between lost or recovered fumbles vs. is only a horribly annoying fixation. There are worse.

Bill you are the most mean spirited nasty person to ever post on this message board. Your purpose here is nothing more than to be a jerk. Fortunately I only see your posts if somebody replies to you.
Tom I just asked the question. There is a difference between fumbles and lost fumbles. It's not rocket science.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 11:00:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hagar

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well in fairness Henry fumbled 10 times - in his career. AD could do that in a season.

Is that 10 fumbles or lost fumbles?
How many seasons did Peterson fumble 10 times? What was his most lost fumbles in a season.


Too bad posters like BarbFreeze, MikeSlipy, etc have been replaced by the likes of you.

The fixation between lost or recovered fumbles vs. is only a horribly annoying fixation. There are worse.


Is there a chance that anyone could explain to that guy that even fumbles that aren't lost
are still bad, especially from a QB? A QB fumble that's recovered by the offense still amounts
to a lost down and almost always a loss of yardage. On 3rd down it results in a punt and change
of possession. Please, inform him that fumbles, especially from a QB are almost never a good
thing.

I fully understand that fumbles by our players are usually bad for us. I have zero problem with understanding that. I stated that in a prior post. However, a lost fumble is far worse. In those cases you don't get the net 40 yards of field position that a punt usually gives.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 11:02:22 PM   
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If you fumble it forward it should count as a good stat. Right?

Not what I would call a good stat, but a good result.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/6/2021 11:23:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I looked up Peterson's career fumbles. I believe I am considering them with an open mind. Did he fumble more than I would have liked? Yes! These are total fumbles no differentiation between lost and recovered. In Petersons 2nd season 2008 he fumbled 9 times. So no he never has fumbled 10 times in a season. We exaggerate the number of Peterson fumbles around here because we love to denigrate our own. He fumbled 0 times in 2014 and 2020. . 1 time in each in 2010-11-16. He's only had 4 seasons with a high number of fumbles IMO. 2008 as mentioned with 9, 2009 and 15 with 7, and 2016 with 6 total between 2 teams. However he only played 1 game in 14 and 3 in 16 so lets throw those out. In 12 seasons (plus the two very shortened seasons) he had 48 fumbles averaging 4 a year. Looking at the big picture I have never had a problem with Peterson's fumbles and I believe more than half were recovered by us.
In the last two years Derek Henry has fumbled 8 times. An average of 4 a year. Looks like he is turning into a big fumbling problem and the Titans should probably let him go.

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