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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2022 9:50:36 PM

thebigo

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So many tweets on Twitter saying we need to trade Hunter? Why, because he was injured the last two years? One year has nothing to do with the next.

I thought we were all jumping for joy bc we him locked up on a reasonable deal?

I was once it looked like he was coming back better than ever. Then I wasn't.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2022 10:20:45 PM

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This is depressing ...

Dustin Baker @DustBaker
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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

Kirk may not be the problem... but he doesn't seem to be the answer either.

Thing is we say things like that in a sport were there are more teammates and coaches than any other sport on the planet - and he's suppose to get us to the SB regardless of his surroundings.

im betting he's here next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2022 10:21:10 PM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

So many tweets on Twitter saying we need to trade Hunter? Why, because he was injured the last two years? One year has nothing to do with the next.

I thought we were all jumping for joy bc we him locked up on a reasonable deal?

I was once it looked like he was coming back better than ever. Then I wasn't.

I hear ya

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 7:44:51 AM

Brad H

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What is the Ravens Curse? Well, the Vikings and Ravens have played six times in franchise history. In the three games that Minnesota was victorious, the Vikings later galloped to the NFC Championship. In the three games that Minnesota lost, the head coach was fired in the same season.

1998 – Vikings Win (NFCC appearance)
2002 – Vikings Lose (Dennis Green fired)
2005 – Vikings Lose (Mike Tice fired)
2009 – Vikings Win (NFCC appearance)
2013 – Vikings Lose (Leslie Frazier fired)
2017 – Vikings Win (NFCC appearance)
2020 – Vikings Lose (fill in the blank)

The Vikings didn't play the Ravens in 2020

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 8:33:36 AM

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So it's Jeff Ireland from the Saints for GM, Chargers OC Joe Lombardi for HC, and Joe Brady, Jefferson's passing/wr coach from LSU as OC.

I would take it. Mostly because it's three names that are not Speilman, Zimmer, or Kubiak

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 8:34:36 AM

Brad H

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So it's Jeff Ireland from the Saints for GM, Chargers OC Joe Lombardi for HC, and Joe Brady, Jefferson's passing/wr coach from LSU as OC.

I would take it. Mostly because it's three names that are not Speilman, Zimmer, or Kubiak

Precisely. I'd be happy with ronhextall at this point for any of the three positions.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 9:03:45 AM

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Matt nagy was told he will not be retained as bears head coach, according to sports radio down here. Nobody should be surprised by that bit of news.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 9:27:25 AM

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This is depressing ...

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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

This team has broken numerous records of ineptitude this season. Been looking for an article or tweet that summarizes them all.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 9:46:17 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

This is depressing ...

Dustin Baker @DustBaker
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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

Kirk may not be the problem... but he doesn't seem to be the answer either.

Thing is we say things like that in a sport were there are more teammates and coaches than any other sport on the planet - and he's suppose to get us to the SB regardless of his surroundings.

im betting he's here next year.

The bottomline is, QBs are judged on making plays or not making negative plays or raising the level of their teammate's play or attacking opponents or making adjustments ... that make a difference in the win column. No other position in the sport has as much influence.

And Cousins does make a difference ... nobody should dispute that ... at about a 50% positive rate over his 10 year career regardless of teammates, coaches, opponents, franchises, etc.

That's just not good enough.

But I agree, I think he is here next year because he's overpaid by any measure and why would anybody else trade for their own cap killing meteor extinction event.

If Cousins had a contract commensurate to what he brings, I think he's d be easy to move and easy to get something in return. Or we'd fall back on him guilt free and without remorse for another year as an effective bridge to our next stab at a franchise QB.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 1/5/2022 9:48:56 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 9:51:31 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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This is depressing ...

Dustin Baker @DustBaker
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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

This team has broken numerous records of ineptitude this season. Been looking for an article or tweet that summarizes them all.

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
8:45 AM · Jan 15, 2014·UberSocial for BlackBerry

Vikings are hiring Mike Zimmer as their HC, per league source.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 10:14:03 AM

Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

This is depressing ...

Dustin Baker @DustBaker
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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

Kirk may not be the problem... but he doesn't seem to be the answer either.

Thing is we say things like that in a sport were there are more teammates and coaches than any other sport on the planet - and he's suppose to get us to the SB regardless of his surroundings.

im betting he's here next year.

The bottomline is, QBs are judged on making plays or not making negative plays or raising the level of their teammate's play or attacking opponents or making adjustments ... that make a difference in the win column. No other position in the sport has as much influence.

And Cousins does make a difference ... nobody should dispute that ... at about a 50% positive rate over his 10 year career regardless of teammates, coaches, opponents, franchises, etc.

That's just not good enough.

But I agree, I think he is here next year because he's overpaid by any measure and why would anybody else trade for their own cap killing meteor extinction event.

If Cousins had a contract commensurate to what he brings, I think he's d be easy to move and easy to get something in return. Or we'd fall back on him guilt free and without remorse for another year as an effective bridge to our next stab at a franchise QB.

I think any trade for Cousins would have to be contingent upon Cousins negotiating an extension that lowers the cap hit.

Problem there is why would he? He gets 45 Mil next year if he doesn't Who would negotiate that down unless he can guarantee a lot more money in the long run. There are no guarantees after the 45 Mil...So if he adds a couple years, lowers the first year hit to the 25-30 mill range but adds another 60 mil between the next couple years in guarantees maybe it would work, but I still don't see it happening with Cousins. He's too much of a douche.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 10:20:29 AM

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Trade Cousins for Carr

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 10:23:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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This is depressing ...

Dustin Baker @DustBaker
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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

This team has broken numerous records of ineptitude this season. Been looking for an article or tweet that summarizes them all.

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
8:45 AM · Jan 15, 2014·UberSocial for BlackBerry

Vikings are hiring Mike Zimmer as their HC, per league source.

Post of the year candidate. Stone cold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 10:49:47 AM

Trekgeekscott

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Trade Cousins for Carr

I would be ok with that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 11:02:22 AM

Trekgeekscott

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Not that it matters until after next weekend's games but right now we would draft at 12

Ifn we lose to the Bears and Denver and Washington and Atlanta all win (not likely I know) we can move into the top 10.

Right now the Giants and Jets both have two top ten picks because of trades.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 11:13:44 AM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

This is depressing ...

Dustin Baker @DustBaker
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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

Kirk may not be the problem... but he doesn't seem to be the answer either.

Thing is we say things like that in a sport were there are more teammates and coaches than any other sport on the planet - and he's suppose to get us to the SB regardless of his surroundings.

im betting he's here next year.

The bottomline is, QBs are judged on making plays or not making negative plays or raising the level of their teammate's play or attacking opponents or making adjustments ... that make a difference in the win column. No other position in the sport has as much influence.

And Cousins does make a difference ... nobody should dispute that ... at about a 50% positive rate over his 10 year career regardless of teammates, coaches, opponents, franchises, etc.

That's just not good enough.

But I agree, I think he is here next year because he's overpaid by any measure and why would anybody else trade for their own cap killing meteor extinction event.

If Cousins had a contract commensurate to what he brings, I think he's d be easy to move and easy to get something in return. Or we'd fall back on him guilt free and without remorse for another year as an effective bridge to our next stab at a franchise QB.

QBs that put their team in a position to win and the FGs are missed, or the rb fumbles, according to ref and replay, the unnecessary roughness isn't called and the defense gives up the entire field, again, etc, etc and there's no credit given to the QB for doing his part ...

.... ugh, I don't want to get into defending Cousins on a message on messageboard - my fragile self-esteem could take a beating

- but it ain't Cousins fault we didn't make the playoffs, imo

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 11:32:53 AM

David Levine

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QBs that put their team in a position to win and the FGs are missed, or the rb fumbles, according to ref and replay, the unnecessary roughness isn't called and the defense gives up the entire field, again, etc, etc and there's no credit given to the QB for doing his part ...

.... ugh, I don't want to get into defending Cousins on a message on messageboard - my fragile self-esteem could take a beating

- but it ain't Cousins fault we didn't make the playoffs, imo

This kind of stuff happens to every QB. Even Brady and Rodgers.

All QBs also benefit from similar plays happening to their opponents.

Yeah, it can skew a single season record to a degree, but not an entire career.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 12:11:03 PM

David Levine

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Sam Ekstrom@SamEkstrom

Mike Zimmer says the rush defense has been better on film that the numbers indicate. Some of the relevant numbers:

32nd in expected points allowed
31st in success rate
30th in yards per carry
T30th in 100-yard games allowed
27th in overall yardage
21st in 10+ yard runs allowed

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 12:24:26 PM

joejitsu

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Sam Ekstrom@SamEkstrom

Mike Zimmer says the rush defense has been better on film that the numbers indicate. Some of the relevant numbers:

32nd in expected points allowed
31st in success rate
30th in yards per carry
T30th in 100-yard games allowed
27th in overall yardage
21st in 10+ yard runs allowed

He's in his own little world. Our defense can't stop the run or the pass right now. That's a bad thing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 12:25:15 PM

ratoppenheimer

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Sam Ekstrom@SamEkstrom

Mike Zimmer says the rush defense has been better on film that the numbers indicate. Some of the relevant numbers:

32nd in expected points allowed
31st in success rate
30th in yards per carry
T30th in 100-yard games allowed
27th in overall yardage
21st in 10+ yard runs allowed

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brian heintz@bheintzskol

Mike Zimmer’s scoring defenses with Andrew Sendejo:

‘14 - 11th
‘15 - 5th
‘16 - 6th
‘17 - 1st
‘18 - 9th
‘19 - 5th

Mike Zimmer’s scoring defense without Andrew Sendejo:

‘20 - 29th
‘21 - 25th

Writing is on the wall. #skol

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 12:29:19 PM

Jeff Jesser

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No it hasn't. It's hot garbage. Easy to see. He's starting Cousins again on Sunday. He's begging to get fired. He's been done with the Vikings all year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 12:40:11 PM

The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

This is depressing ...

Dustin Baker @DustBaker
·
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The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

Thanks Zim.

I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

Kirk may not be the problem... but he doesn't seem to be the answer either.

Thing is we say things like that in a sport were there are more teammates and coaches than any other sport on the planet - and he's suppose to get us to the SB regardless of his surroundings.

im betting he's here next year.

The bottomline is, QBs are judged on making plays or not making negative plays or raising the level of their teammate's play or attacking opponents or making adjustments ... that make a difference in the win column. No other position in the sport has as much influence.

And Cousins does make a difference ... nobody should dispute that ... at about a 50% positive rate over his 10 year career regardless of teammates, coaches, opponents, franchises, etc.

That's just not good enough.

But I agree, I think he is here next year because he's overpaid by any measure and why would anybody else trade for their own cap killing meteor extinction event.

If Cousins had a contract commensurate to what he brings, I think he's d be easy to move and easy to get something in return. Or we'd fall back on him guilt free and without remorse for another year as an effective bridge to our next stab at a franchise QB.

QBs that put their team in a position to win and the FGs are missed, or the rb fumbles, according to ref and replay, the unnecessary roughness isn't called and the defense gives up the entire field, again, etc, etc and there's no credit given to the QB for doing his part ...

.... ugh, I don't want to get into defending Cousins on a message on messageboard - my fragile self-esteem could take a beating

- but it ain't Cousins fault we didn't make the playoffs, imo

While there's no perfect solution, it seems like QBR is the best way to judge a QB's impact on their team. Cousin's is currently ranked 15. Can't get much more mediocre than that. It's safe to say that Spielman, Zimmer, and Cousins have all played a role in the Viking's continued struggles to make the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 3:41:03 PM

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I somewhat think Cousins will be back next year but wouldn't be shocked if he isn't. Salary cap can be manipulated and will not be much of an issue in teams wanting to trade for him, all that can be worked out in compensation for Vikes to pay part or extensions.

Right now I just hope we find a way to lose to the bears, and bring ina competent staff and gut the team minus our solid players 2-3 years in their career and a few others.
This team is stale and needs rebuilding. Hunter, Thielen, Smith, Barr, all gone. It's time to move on from these guys and get what we can for any of them. I might even add in Dalvin Cook for salary cap reasons etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 4:44:41 PM

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I think losing to the bears in a meaningless game is going to be easier than you think..

Has this team ever played up to its potential or expectations?

A few brief series or three.. in a couple games.. followed by the inevitable bone headed play calling and turnover, or the offensive or defensive lines turning into wet tissue paper.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2022 6:04:52 PM

Ricky J

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I think losing to the bears in a meaningless game is going to be easier than you think..

Has this team ever played up to its potential or expectations?

A few brief series or three.. in a couple games.. followed by the inevitable bone headed play calling and turnover, or the offensive or defensive lines turning into wet tissue paper.

Not me. That's sorta kinda my prediction

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