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6. Viking playmakers who show up every week: Jefferson, Theilen, Hunter, Kendricks.
Guys who are considered to be playmakers that need to show up more often: Harrison Smith, interior D-line, Cook (injury related), Barr (same).

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Firing Zimmer, not first…

Firing The GM of this mess.. Spielman is first.

Spielman and his contracts, to Cousins in particular, and his inability to draft Offensive linemen, ever, or put in place coaching personnel, is FIRST, FIRST, FIRST!!!

Im sick of the GM approach that has resulted in mediocrity, for a decade, not to mention his tenure as VP of player personnel…

HE is the albatross, the common denominator, the root of all evil and disappointment.

Zimmer is his baby, his enabler, his addiction

Zimmer’s addiction is 70’s Tudor electric, era football, Run First, safe play calling, and a QB with no guts but impressive statistical production.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Firing Zimmer, not first…

Firing The GM of this mess.. Spielman is first.

Spielman and his contracts, to Cousins in particular, and his inability to draft Offensive linemen, ever, or put in place coaching personnel, is FIRST, FIRST, FIRST!!!

Im sick of the GM approach that has resulted in mediocrity, for a decade, not to mention his tenure as VP of player personnel…

HE is the albatross, the common denominator, the root of all evil and disappointment.

Zimmer is his baby, his enabler, his addiction

Zimmer’s addiction is 70’s Tudor electric, era football, Run First, safe play calling, and a QB with no guts but impressive statistical production.

This is a fun site...

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/situational-run-pass-ratios--off-.html

Vikings run on 2nd and long more often than just about anybody. Makes my head hurt. It's not winning football IMO.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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6. Viking playmakers who show up every week: Jefferson, Theilen, Hunter, Kendricks.
Guys who are considered to be playmakers that need to show up more often: Harrison Smith, interior D-line, Cook (injury related), Barr (same).

Jefferson was un-guardable yesterday. Watching live not only was he open every time he was thrown to he was open most of the plays he wasn't thrown to also. They gave him seven targets. SEVEN! He'll play nice and say the right things to remain in the good graces of the team and the media but it won't be long before he pulls a Diggs. Seven targets. GTFOOH.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Zimmer finally benched Breeland and put Dantzler in for him after Breeland blew a coverage on the Browns first drive. Good move by Zimmer. ONLY IT WAS FOUR GAMES TOO LATE!!!! I don't know if Zim gets his rocks off by putting players in the doghouse or what his mental malfunction is but this was a simple move that needed to be done.

And on the subject of Zimmer, his teams' performance in the final two minutes of halves is beyond dogshit. The pattern has been repeated for years now with different personnel and different assistant coaches and different QBs. The sample size is adequate. It's Zimmer.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Zimmer finally benched Breeland and put Dantzler in for him after Breeland blew a coverage on the Browns first drive. Good move by Zimmer. ONLY IT WAS FOUR GAMES TOO LATE!!!! I don't know if Zim gets his rocks off by putting players in the doghouse or what his mental malfunction is but this was a simple move that needed to be done.

And on the subject of Zimmer, his teams' performance in the final two minutes of halves is beyond dogshit. The pattern has been repeated for years now with different personnel and different assistant coaches and different QBs. The sample size is adequate. It's Zimmer.

I bet Breeland starts against Detroit...

Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer
Mike Zimmer said cornerback Bashaud Breeland left the game because of an illness; "he was sick." But Breeland didn't play again after being the closest defender on a 21-yard pass that converted a third and 10 for Cleveland. Zimmer didn't offer evaluation of Cameron Dantzler.


Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings CB Bashaud Breeland, who is questionable to return, has an illness. He missed practice Thursday with an illness before returning Friday.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Firing Zimmer, not first…

Firing The GM of this mess.. Spielman is first.

Spielman and his contracts, to Cousins in particular, and his inability to draft Offensive linemen, ever, or put in place coaching personnel, is FIRST, FIRST, FIRST!!!

Im sick of the GM approach that has resulted in mediocrity, for a decade, not to mention his tenure as VP of player personnel…

HE is the albatross, the common denominator, the root of all evil and disappointment.

Zimmer is his baby, his enabler, his addiction

Zimmer’s addiction is 70’s Tudor electric, era football, Run First, safe play calling, and a QB with no guts but impressive statistical production.

This is a fun site...

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/situational-run-pass-ratios--off-.html

Vikings run on 2nd and long more often than just about anybody. Makes my head hurt. It's not winning football IMO.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Zimmer finally benched Breeland and put Dantzler in for him after Breeland blew a coverage on the Browns first drive. Good move by Zimmer. ONLY IT WAS FOUR GAMES TOO LATE!!!! I don't know if Zim gets his rocks off by putting players in the doghouse or what his mental malfunction is but this was a simple move that needed to be done.

And on the subject of Zimmer, his teams' performance in the final two minutes of halves is beyond dogshit. The pattern has been repeated for years now with different personnel and different assistant coaches and different QBs. The sample size is adequate. It's Zimmer.

I bet Breeland starts against Detroit...

Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer
Mike Zimmer said cornerback Bashaud Breeland left the game because of an illness; "he was sick." But Breeland didn't play again after being the closest defender on a 21-yard pass that converted a third and 10 for Cleveland. Zimmer didn't offer evaluation of Cameron Dantzler.


Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings CB Bashaud Breeland, who is questionable to return, has an illness. He missed practice Thursday with an illness before returning Friday.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

IMO firing a coach in the middle of the season is pointless. Way too many moving parts and they are not going to rattle off 6 or 6 wins in a row to make the playoffs.

I just hope the owners are researching new GM's and vetting their philosophy of football.

It would be one thing if they had a replacement available to them. The best candidates won't be available until after the playoffs.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Thielen/Osborn/Conklin got 21 targets for 10 catches/90yards/0TDs. Jefferson got 7 targets for 6 catches/84yards/1TD. Don't get me wrong I love Theilen, Osborn, and Conklin. They're damn good players. BUT FOR THE LOVE OF PETE EXPLOIT THE MATCHUP THAT'S WORKING!!! All game long we watched from the stands and kept musing out loud "why aren't they going to Jefferson more? He's un guardable today."

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

IMO firing a coach in the middle of the season is pointless. Way too many moving parts and they are not going to rattle off 6 or 6 wins in a row to make the playoffs.

I just hope the owners are researching new GM's and vetting their philosophy of football.

It would be one thing if they had a replacement available to them. The best candidates won't be available until after the playoffs.

Firing Zimmer and elevating Andre Patterson for 10 or 11 games would allow the team to give the guy a good look. Who knows, Patterson could be the next Bill Belichick. Unlikely, but at least it would take the guesswork out of it. The players all seem to love and respect the guy as well. Giving him an opportunity would be good for the franchise.

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02:

1. We paid a ton of money to fix the interior oline with Tomlinson/Pierce and then Richardson. How are we so bad agains the run? We have one of the best tackling LB’s in Kendricks. Is it scheme? Is it that Pierce and Tomlinson are just not good? I have a buddy who is a huge Giants fan and said the Tomlinson was great for them. Is he playing a different role here? Being asked to do different things? Are the safeties playing deep to help guard agains questionable play from the CB’s and can’t help in run support? So many questions about this run defense. Whatever it is.....it needs to change.

2. Coming into the season I don’t think anyone here was satisfied or comfortable with the oline. Those fears have been realized and, yup, they still stink. Darrisaw needs to play so we know what we have. Bradbury is just a bust. Teams trot out 3rd string guys that play better than Hill. I

3. A bad running play for teams against us is only gaining 2-3 yards. Our bad running plays are usually around a minus 6. We are losing in the trenches.

4. Jefferson and Theilen are your bread and butter on offense. Get them involved early and often.

5. I don’t lay the blame for yesterday on Cousins. He was under duress the whole game after the 1st drive. No QB plays great under constant pressure. That being said, the fundamental flaw with Cousins is that he will never be able to extend plays or get a 1st down with a scramble the way QB’s regularly do against us. It’s also probably the reason we don’t really move him around or roll him out very often. He’s just not a mobile guy. I’m not sure you can win in today’s NFL that way unless you are a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

6. Viking playmakers who show up every week: Jefferson, Theilen, Hunter, Kendricks.
Guys who are considered to be playmakers that need to show up more often: Harrison Smith, interior D-line, Cook (injury related), Barr (same).

7. If we lose next week we need to blow it all up. I don’t want to see us fight to get to .500 or a last playoff spot just to get blown out in the playoffs.

8. One other thing on Cousins. He has to know his contract is killing the team’s ability to add another couple of talented players around him. How much money is enough? Do you want to win or make as much money as possible? Because that $40M cap hit next year is just going to make things worse. He’s taken us for close to $100M so far. Why hamstring what the team can do at this point? You either want to win or it’s not as important as the money.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

IMO firing a coach in the middle of the season is pointless. Way too many moving parts and they are not going to rattle off 6 or 6 wins in a row to make the playoffs.

I just hope the owners are researching new GM's and vetting their philosophy of football.

It would be one thing if they had a replacement available to them. The best candidates won't be available until after the playoffs.

Firing Zimmer and elevating Andre Patterson for 10 or 11 games would allow the team to give the guy a good look. Who knows, Patterson could be the next Bill Belichick. Unlikely, but at least it would take the guesswork out of it. The players all seem to love and respect the guy as well. Giving him an opportunity would be good for the franchise.

Its possible, but I really can't get excited about another 60-something defensive coach.

I also think we're in dire need of a fresh start/clean slate.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02:

1. We paid a ton of money to fix the interior oline with Tomlinson/Pierce and then Richardson. How are we so bad agains the run? We have one of the best tackling LB’s in Kendricks. Is it scheme? Is it that Pierce and Tomlinson are just not good? I have a buddy who is a huge Giants fan and said the Tomlinson was great for them. Is he playing a different role here? Being asked to do different things? Are the safeties playing deep to help guard agains questionable play from the CB’s and can’t help in run support? So many questions about this run defense. Whatever it is.....it needs to change.

2. Coming into the season I don’t think anyone here was satisfied or comfortable with the oline. Those fears have been realized and, yup, they still stink. Darrisaw needs to play so we know what we have. Bradbury is just a bust. Teams trot out 3rd string guys that play better than Hill. I

3. A bad running play for teams against us is only gaining 2-3 yards. Our bad running plays are usually around a minus 6. We are losing in the trenches.

4. Jefferson and Theilen are your bread and butter on offense. Get them involved early and often.

5. I don’t lay the blame for yesterday on Cousins. He was under duress the whole game after the 1st drive. No QB plays great under constant pressure. That being said, the fundamental flaw with Cousins is that he will never be able to extend plays or get a 1st down with a scramble the way QB’s regularly do against us. It’s also probably the reason we don’t really move him around or roll him out very often. He’s just not a mobile guy. I’m not sure you can win in today’s NFL that way unless you are a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

6. Viking playmakers who show up every week: Jefferson, Theilen, Hunter, Kendricks.
Guys who are considered to be playmakers that need to show up more often: Harrison Smith, interior D-line, Cook (injury related), Barr (same).

7. If we lose next week we need to blow it all up. I don’t want to see us fight to get to .500 or a last playoff spot just to get blown out in the playoffs.

8. One other thing on Cousins. He has to know his contract is killing the team’s ability to add another couple of talented players around him. How much money is enough? Do you want to win or make as much money as possible? Because that $40M cap hit next year is just going to make things worse. He’s taken us for close to $100M so far. Why hamstring what the team can do at this point? You either want to win or it’s not as important as the money.

Cousins needs a great oline to reach his full potential as a QB, but because of his huge contract, the Vikings can't afford to put together a great oline. There is a ceiling on Cousin's talent, which is why the team's he leads are usually decent, but never great. The only solution is to get rid of Cousins and his contract, and use that money to build a great oline for the Viking's next QB, whoever that may be. Someone mentioned trading Kirk to the Browns next year. That would be a win/win. Cousins would make the Browns a legit contender, and the Vikings would be out from under Kirk's awful contract.

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02:

1. We paid a ton of money to fix the interior oline with Tomlinson/Pierce and then Richardson. How are we so bad agains the run? We have one of the best tackling LB’s in Kendricks. Is it scheme? Is it that Pierce and Tomlinson are just not good? I have a buddy who is a huge Giants fan and said the Tomlinson was great for them. Is he playing a different role here? Being asked to do different things? Are the safeties playing deep to help guard agains questionable play from the CB’s and can’t help in run support? So many questions about this run defense. Whatever it is.....it needs to change.

2. Coming into the season I don’t think anyone here was satisfied or comfortable with the oline. Those fears have been realized and, yup, they still stink. Darrisaw needs to play so we know what we have. Bradbury is just a bust. Teams trot out 3rd string guys that play better than Hill. I

3. A bad running play for teams against us is only gaining 2-3 yards. Our bad running plays are usually around a minus 6. We are losing in the trenches.

4. Jefferson and Theilen are your bread and butter on offense. Get them involved early and often.

5. I don’t lay the blame for yesterday on Cousins. He was under duress the whole game after the 1st drive. No QB plays great under constant pressure. That being said, the fundamental flaw with Cousins is that he will never be able to extend plays or get a 1st down with a scramble the way QB’s regularly do against us. It’s also probably the reason we don’t really move him around or roll him out very often. He’s just not a mobile guy. I’m not sure you can win in today’s NFL that way unless you are a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

6. Viking playmakers who show up every week: Jefferson, Theilen, Hunter, Kendricks.
Guys who are considered to be playmakers that need to show up more often: Harrison Smith, interior D-line, Cook (injury related), Barr (same).

7. If we lose next week we need to blow it all up. I don’t want to see us fight to get to .500 or a last playoff spot just to get blown out in the playoffs.

8. One other thing on Cousins. He has to know his contract is killing the team’s ability to add another couple of talented players around him. How much money is enough? Do you want to win or make as much money as possible? Because that $40M cap hit next year is just going to make things worse. He’s taken us for close to $100M so far. Why hamstring what the team can do at this point? You either want to win or it’s not as important as the money.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

IMO firing a coach in the middle of the season is pointless. Way too many moving parts and they are not going to rattle off 6 or 6 wins in a row to make the playoffs.

I just hope the owners are researching new GM's and vetting their philosophy of football.

It would be one thing if they had a replacement available to them. The best candidates won't be available until after the playoffs.

Firing Zimmer and elevating Andre Patterson for 10 or 11 games would allow the team to give the guy a good look. Who knows, Patterson could be the next Bill Belichick. Unlikely, but at least it would take the guesswork out of it. The players all seem to love and respect the guy as well. Giving him an opportunity would be good for the franchise.

Its possible, but I really can't get excited about another 60-something defensive coach.

I also think we're in dire need of a fresh start/clean slate.

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1. Agreed. Pierce had a nice 1st game, but been absent since. I think I ready both rank near the bottom of PFF DT ratings.
FA's tend to be more hype than anything. Teams know who their best players are and prioritize them. Look as Stl without Peterson.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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1. Agreed. Pierce had a nice 1st game, but been absent since. I think I ready both rank near the bottom of PFF DT ratings.
FA's tend to be more hype than anything. Teams know who their best players are and prioritize them. Look as Stl without Peterson.

If I filter out anyone who has had less than 20% of snaps this season so far Tomlinson ranks #10 and Pierce ranks #36. They aren't the problem.