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who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?....
if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter....
we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there....
restructure kendricks and save $4m....
i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022....
we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season....
if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen....
we still need players....
I think Thielen would give us a home state salary cut. Maybe 25%.
How often does that happen?
If he goes down to a salary that is equal or slightly greater than what he could get on open market. Not having to be away from his family in another city or moving them all to another city. Level headed guy who is set for life already.
Injuries and age would prevent other teams from giving him a big offer.
You don't know his financial aspirations or goals.
No. I don't.
But, I'm not suggesting minimum vet offer. 12M down to 8-9M isn't going to put him in the poor house.
Yeah, nobody is suggesting a vet min offer. That's very unreasonable.
He's just one of several aged players not living up to their bloated contracts. There are probably more that have established some degree of roots in Minny.
NFL contracts are more complicated than just lowering the salary...all parties would have to agree to a contract rebuild and even if he did lower his salary from $12m to $9m he would still have a minimum cap hit of $6.8m in 2023 - which exists in his present deal....
the only clean way to deal with it is to let him go now, absorb his $11.1m dead cap hit, and negotiate from there...that would mean an offer to thielen of just $6m would bring his cap hit up to its current level of $16.8m for 2022....
so, a two-year deal at $10m fully guaranteed could be $4m in '22, and $6m in '23...would he take $10m total, guaranteed, to stay with the vikings two more years?....
could we trade thielen and his $12m 2022 salary for a 3rd or 4th round pick?...i doubt it because it has a $13m salary in 2023, which probably makes it a one-year rental....
the vikings are $15m over the cap in 2022, but 'right now' we're $73m under the cap in 2023...we could let thielen and smith go today and absorb the cap hit, and then renegotiate a reasonable two-year deal with each that is backloaded in 2023...nothing big, i'm talking $4m/'22 and $6m/'23 for each, fully guaranteed...they retire as vikings in early 2024....
so 'right now' we're $73m under the cap in 2023, but all we have is kellen mond at quarterback, depending on what we do in the 2022 draft....
also, if we let pierce and ham go this offseason we'll add another $15m to that surplus, and whatever we can save with thielen and smilth, which could be considerable depending on how that works out....
I wonder what Adofo-Mensah position is on fullbacks being on the roster
he won't pay $3.5m/yr for one...I'm recommending that we use Bradbury....
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