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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 11:26:55 AM 2 votes

Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think Harbaugh could get more out of Cousins.

Just beefing up the defense with maybe one draft or FA starter added to the OL and I could see getting 1 of the top 2 seeds next year.

Lol I almost spit out my lunch laughing at this. Damn that's the ultimate optimist

We are way closer to a full on rebuild than a top 2 seed next year. Aging high priced veterans that need to go.
I vote for the rebuild vs pushing the cap hell down one more disappointing season

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 11:29:43 AM

Phil Riewer

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think Harbaugh could get more out of Cousins.

Just beefing up the defense with maybe one draft or FA starter added to the OL and I could see getting 1 of the top 2 seeds next year.

Lol I almost spit out my lunch laughing at this. Damn that's the ultimate optimist

We are way closer to a full on rebuild than a top 2 seed next year. Aging high priced veterans that need to go.
I vote for the rebuild vs pushing the cap hell down one more disappointing season

Where are the old guys on offense outside of Thielen?

Griffen, Barr, Woods, and maybe Hunter/Pierce/Kendricks gone.

Bynum and Vigil can replace Woods and and Barr at a less cost. Hunter is the only ? we can't replace. You don't need a full rebuild as the Vikings are like the 5th youngest team right now.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 1/31/2022 11:32:02 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 11:33:15 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of positivity floating around Twitter about our boy, Kirk!

Erin Henderson
@that1guyerin
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11h
I say Kirk better than Jimmy G and Stafford and yall talking to me about Joey B. Yall not my kinda weird at all

Stafford is better than Cousins and it's not close. This year Stafford was ranked 4th in the NFL by QBR. Kirk was ranked 14th. For his career Stafford owns 34 fourth-quarter comebacks and 42 game winning drives. Kirk has 14 and 20. And most of Stafford's came when he played for the Lions who only once in their career had a RB rush for over 1000 yards. Kirk is (probably) a top 10 QB, but he is not nearly as good as Matthew Stafford.

Stafford has basically had the same line as Cousins for 13 years without the running game and receivers (Megatron aside). I'd take Stafford over Cousins every day of the week and most importantly twice on Sunday's.

For sure. I would not put Stafford in the upper echelon of QBs but definitely in the next tier down.

He may move up with a few more seasons with the Rams.

Much more of a gamer.

Stafford is like number 5 for career 4th qtr comebacks, Cousins is like 76. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

That's number 5 all time with all but 1 season with the freakin' Lions.

No contest.

Cousins could have 4 more just this year; Stafford has started 3 more years too. (Give Kirk 4 more and he is tied with Rodgers FYI)..

If you have to fantasize about giving Cousins 4 more comebacks this year, you have to do it for Stafford and Rogers as well. Or, find me a website - no matter how illegitimate - that ranks QBs by how many comebacks 'they could have had if other players didn't mess up'.

Also ... Stafford 13 seasons - 34 comebacks / Cousins 10 seasons - 15 comebacks ... please extrapolate the numbers to show me how 3 more (or less) seasons evens it up between the two. Oh, while keeping in mind that Stafford has one more game this season.

Isn't a fantasy...you guys are throwing stats up against the wall.

Look at the Defense Rank, Oline Rank, and amount of close losses you easily can attribute to the HC/Defense. A short missed kick and a fumble are a fantasy? That is 2 right there.

This is no fair. You get to waive snakes around and speak in tongues and all I have are simple stats not gathered from lala land.

Didn't take long for you to bring out the smarm.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 11:35:38 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of positivity floating around Twitter about our boy, Kirk!

Erin Henderson
@that1guyerin
·
11h
I say Kirk better than Jimmy G and Stafford and yall talking to me about Joey B. Yall not my kinda weird at all

Stafford is better than Cousins and it's not close. This year Stafford was ranked 4th in the NFL by QBR. Kirk was ranked 14th. For his career Stafford owns 34 fourth-quarter comebacks and 42 game winning drives. Kirk has 14 and 20. And most of Stafford's came when he played for the Lions who only once in their career had a RB rush for over 1000 yards. Kirk is (probably) a top 10 QB, but he is not nearly as good as Matthew Stafford.

Stafford has basically had the same line as Cousins for 13 years without the running game and receivers (Megatron aside). I'd take Stafford over Cousins every day of the week and most importantly twice on Sunday's.

For sure. I would not put Stafford in the upper echelon of QBs but definitely in the next tier down.

He may move up with a few more seasons with the Rams.

Much more of a gamer.

Stafford is like number 5 for career 4th qtr comebacks, Cousins is like 76. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

That's number 5 all time with all but 1 season with the freakin' Lions.

No contest.

Cousins could have 4 more just this year; Stafford has started 3 more years too. (Give Kirk 4 more and he is tied with Rodgers FYI)..

If you have to fantasize about giving Cousins 4 more comebacks this year, you have to do it for Stafford and Rogers as well. Or, find me a website - no matter how illegitimate - that ranks QBs by how many comebacks 'they could have had if other players didn't mess up'.

Also ... Stafford 13 seasons - 34 comebacks / Cousins 10 seasons - 15 comebacks ... please extrapolate the numbers to show me how 3 more (or less) seasons evens it up between the two. Oh, while keeping in mind that Stafford has one more game this season.

Isn't a fantasy...you guys are throwing stats up against the wall.

Look at the Defense Rank, Oline Rank, and amount of close losses you easily can attribute to the HC/Defense. A short missed kick and a fumble are a fantasy? That is 2 right there.

This is no fair. You get to waive snakes around and speak in tongues and all I have are simple stats not gathered from lala land.

Didn't take long for you to bring out the smarm.

Not fair? Did they lose a game they were driving inside the 40 against Cincy on a fumble that couldn't be overturned due to camera angle; did they miss a shorter kick against the Cardinals? Is that speaking in tongues Mr. Lala?

You think Washington had a roster and HC to win the Super Bowl when Kirk was there? You think this Vikings team had a Super Bowl HC and Defense in any of Kirk's season? How is that for straight up and fair?

Your fantasy land is focused on the QB...when the truth was the roster on the other side of the ball and HC were the issues.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 1/31/2022 11:41:01 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 11:50:33 AM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think Harbaugh could get more out of Cousins.

Just beefing up the defense with maybe one draft or FA starter added to the OL and I could see getting 1 of the top 2 seeds next year.

Lol I almost spit out my lunch laughing at this. Damn that's the ultimate optimist

We are way closer to a full on rebuild than a top 2 seed next year. Aging high priced veterans that need to go.
I vote for the rebuild vs pushing the cap hell down one more disappointing season

Where are the old guys on offense outside of Thielen?

Griffen, Barr, Woods, and maybe Hunter/Pierce/Kendricks gone.

Bynum and Vigil can replace Woods and and Barr at a less cost. Hunter is the only ? we can't replace. You don't need a full rebuild as the Vikings are like the 5th youngest team right now.

Kendricks?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 12:05:07 PM

TJSweens

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Nobody said the Vikes are as good as the Rams. We're saying they are a damn site better than the Lions have been.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 12:12:51 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of positivity floating around Twitter about our boy, Kirk!

Erin Henderson
@that1guyerin
·
11h
I say Kirk better than Jimmy G and Stafford and yall talking to me about Joey B. Yall not my kinda weird at all

Stafford is better than Cousins and it's not close. This year Stafford was ranked 4th in the NFL by QBR. Kirk was ranked 14th. For his career Stafford owns 34 fourth-quarter comebacks and 42 game winning drives. Kirk has 14 and 20. And most of Stafford's came when he played for the Lions who only once in their career had a RB rush for over 1000 yards. Kirk is (probably) a top 10 QB, but he is not nearly as good as Matthew Stafford.

Stafford has basically had the same line as Cousins for 13 years without the running game and receivers (Megatron aside). I'd take Stafford over Cousins every day of the week and most importantly twice on Sunday's.

For sure. I would not put Stafford in the upper echelon of QBs but definitely in the next tier down.

He may move up with a few more seasons with the Rams.

Much more of a gamer.

Stafford is like number 5 for career 4th qtr comebacks, Cousins is like 76. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

That's number 5 all time with all but 1 season with the freakin' Lions.

No contest.

Cousins could have 4 more just this year; Stafford has started 3 more years too. (Give Kirk 4 more and he is tied with Rodgers FYI)..

If you have to fantasize about giving Cousins 4 more comebacks this year, you have to do it for Stafford and Rogers as well. Or, find me a website - no matter how illegitimate - that ranks QBs by how many comebacks 'they could have had if other players didn't mess up'.

Also ... Stafford 13 seasons - 34 comebacks / Cousins 10 seasons - 15 comebacks ... please extrapolate the numbers to show me how 3 more (or less) seasons evens it up between the two. Oh, while keeping in mind that Stafford has one more game this season.

Isn't a fantasy...you guys are throwing stats up against the wall.

Look at the Defense Rank, Oline Rank, and amount of close losses you easily can attribute to the HC/Defense. A short missed kick and a fumble are a fantasy? That is 2 right there.

This is no fair. You get to waive snakes around and speak in tongues and all I have are simple stats not gathered from lala land.

Didn't take long for you to bring out the smarm.

Not fair? Did they lose a game they were driving inside the 40 against Cincy on a fumble that couldn't be overturned due to camera angle; did they miss a shorter kick against the Cardinals? Is that speaking in tongues Mr. Lala?

We are not arguing the same thing. As usual.

You think I am disputing that Cousins didn't bring us back against CIN and AZ because of a fumble and missed kick ... is that true?

It's not true. He did everything he could.

But the reality is we did lose those games.

You can add them to Cousins comeback record if you want to ... but then you also have to watch Stafford's games over his career and adjust his comeback record to include the games he did his part but somebody else effed up as well.

Or you can just continue to argue the one narrow side which is what you usually do and disregard the broader view.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 12:35:39 PM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of positivity floating around Twitter about our boy, Kirk!

Erin Henderson
@that1guyerin
·
11h
I say Kirk better than Jimmy G and Stafford and yall talking to me about Joey B. Yall not my kinda weird at all

Stafford is better than Cousins and it's not close. This year Stafford was ranked 4th in the NFL by QBR. Kirk was ranked 14th. For his career Stafford owns 34 fourth-quarter comebacks and 42 game winning drives. Kirk has 14 and 20. And most of Stafford's came when he played for the Lions who only once in their career had a RB rush for over 1000 yards. Kirk is (probably) a top 10 QB, but he is not nearly as good as Matthew Stafford.

Stafford has basically had the same line as Cousins for 13 years without the running game and receivers (Megatron aside). I'd take Stafford over Cousins every day of the week and most importantly twice on Sunday's.

For sure. I would not put Stafford in the upper echelon of QBs but definitely in the next tier down.

He may move up with a few more seasons with the Rams.

Much more of a gamer.

Stafford is like number 5 for career 4th qtr comebacks, Cousins is like 76. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

That's number 5 all time with all but 1 season with the freakin' Lions.

No contest.

Cousins could have 4 more just this year; Stafford has started 3 more years too. (Give Kirk 4 more and he is tied with Rodgers FYI)..

If you have to fantasize about giving Cousins 4 more comebacks this year, you have to do it for Stafford and Rogers as well. Or, find me a website - no matter how illegitimate - that ranks QBs by how many comebacks 'they could have had if other players didn't mess up'.

Also ... Stafford 13 seasons - 34 comebacks / Cousins 10 seasons - 15 comebacks ... please extrapolate the numbers to show me how 3 more (or less) seasons evens it up between the two. Oh, while keeping in mind that Stafford has one more game this season.

Isn't a fantasy...you guys are throwing stats up against the wall.

Look at the Defense Rank, Oline Rank, and amount of close losses you easily can attribute to the HC/Defense. A short missed kick and a fumble are a fantasy? That is 2 right there.

This is no fair. You get to waive snakes around and speak in tongues and all I have are simple stats not gathered from lala land.

Didn't take long for you to bring out the smarm.

Not fair? Did they lose a game they were driving inside the 40 against Cincy on a fumble that couldn't be overturned due to camera angle; did they miss a shorter kick against the Cardinals? Is that speaking in tongues Mr. Lala?

We are not arguing the same thing. As usual.

You think I am disputing that Cousins didn't bring us back against CIN and AZ because of a fumble and missed kick ... is that true?

It's not true. He did everything he could.

But the reality is we did lose those games.

You can add them to Cousins comeback record if you want to ... but then you also have to watch Stafford's games over his career and adjust his comeback record to include the games he did his part but somebody else effed up as well.

Or you can just continue to argue the one narrow side which is what you usually do and disregard the broader view.

As long as we're adjusting comeback wins based on things that didn't happen we should remove one from Kirk's total and give it to Jared Goff. Goff doesn't play defense last time I checked. Am I doing this right?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 1:26:14 PM

Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think Harbaugh could get more out of Cousins.

Just beefing up the defense with maybe one draft or FA starter added to the OL and I could see getting 1 of the top 2 seeds next year.

Lol I almost spit out my lunch laughing at this. Damn that's the ultimate optimist

We are way closer to a full on rebuild than a top 2 seed next year. Aging high priced veterans that need to go.
I vote for the rebuild vs pushing the cap hell down one more disappointing season

Where are the old guys on offense outside of Thielen?

Griffen, Barr, Woods, and maybe Hunter/Pierce/Kendricks gone.

Bynum and Vigil can replace Woods and and Barr at a less cost. Hunter is the only ? we can't replace. You don't need a full rebuild as the Vikings are like the 5th youngest team right now.

Kendricks?

True. Not many on offense. I would put Smith and Peterson (Free agent)on defense as getting older, Pierce is getting there as well. I don't see Cousins as helping us out with the cap too much. Bradbury is terrible on offense although not old. Hard to say if the young guys can step up or not we don't know yet.

I was pretty generic in my statement about age. My point is I don't see us as a 1 or 2 seed without some major improvements to this team. Maybe the younger guys will step up and prove otherwise but I don't see it. I have supported Cousins, but I am shifting more towards, he may not be the guy. With A new GM and Coach I would prefer to dump dead weight/contracts and rebuild in 2-3 years. Some players are aging and I don't see the remaining talent being good enough to make the playoffs much less a 1 or 2 seed.

It seems we are always stuck in mediocrity, good, but not really that good. we dump some players for cap reasons and add some are we any better than this last season? I'm not so sure we are.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 1:35:12 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think Harbaugh could get more out of Cousins.

Just beefing up the defense with maybe one draft or FA starter added to the OL and I could see getting 1 of the top 2 seeds next year.

Lol I almost spit out my lunch laughing at this. Damn that's the ultimate optimist

We are way closer to a full on rebuild than a top 2 seed next year. Aging high priced veterans that need to go.
I vote for the rebuild vs pushing the cap hell down one more disappointing season

Where are the old guys on offense outside of Thielen?

Griffen, Barr, Woods, and maybe Hunter/Pierce/Kendricks gone.

Bynum and Vigil can replace Woods and and Barr at a less cost. Hunter is the only ? we can't replace. You don't need a full rebuild as the Vikings are like the 5th youngest team right now.

Kendricks?

True. Not many on offense. I would put Smith and Peterson (Free agent)on defense as getting older, Pierce is getting there as well. I don't see Cousins as helping us out with the cap too much. Bradbury is terrible on offense although not old. Hard to say if the young guys can step up or not we don't know yet.

I was pretty generic in my statement about age. My point is I don't see us as a 1 or 2 seed without some major improvements to this team. Maybe the younger guys will step up and prove otherwise but I don't see it. I have supported Cousins, but I am shifting more towards, he may not be the guy. With A new GM and Coach I would prefer to dump dead weight/contracts and rebuild in 2-3 years. Some players are aging and I don't see the remaining talent being good enough to make the playoffs much less a 1 or 2 seed.

It seems we are always stuck in mediocrity, good, but not really that good. we dump some players for cap reasons and add some are we any better than this last season? I'm not so sure we are.

I was disagreeing with Phil about Hunter being "the only ? we can't replace". I think Kendricks might be even harder to replace.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 1:39:32 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of positivity floating around Twitter about our boy, Kirk!

Erin Henderson
@that1guyerin
·
11h
I say Kirk better than Jimmy G and Stafford and yall talking to me about Joey B. Yall not my kinda weird at all

Stafford is better than Cousins and it's not close. This year Stafford was ranked 4th in the NFL by QBR. Kirk was ranked 14th. For his career Stafford owns 34 fourth-quarter comebacks and 42 game winning drives. Kirk has 14 and 20. And most of Stafford's came when he played for the Lions who only once in their career had a RB rush for over 1000 yards. Kirk is (probably) a top 10 QB, but he is not nearly as good as Matthew Stafford.

Stafford has basically had the same line as Cousins for 13 years without the running game and receivers (Megatron aside). I'd take Stafford over Cousins every day of the week and most importantly twice on Sunday's.

For sure. I would not put Stafford in the upper echelon of QBs but definitely in the next tier down.

He may move up with a few more seasons with the Rams.

Much more of a gamer.

Stafford is like number 5 for career 4th qtr comebacks, Cousins is like 76. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

That's number 5 all time with all but 1 season with the freakin' Lions.

No contest.

Cousins could have 4 more just this year; Stafford has started 3 more years too. (Give Kirk 4 more and he is tied with Rodgers FYI)..

If you have to fantasize about giving Cousins 4 more comebacks this year, you have to do it for Stafford and Rogers as well. Or, find me a website - no matter how illegitimate - that ranks QBs by how many comebacks 'they could have had if other players didn't mess up'.

Also ... Stafford 13 seasons - 34 comebacks / Cousins 10 seasons - 15 comebacks ... please extrapolate the numbers to show me how 3 more (or less) seasons evens it up between the two. Oh, while keeping in mind that Stafford has one more game this season.

Isn't a fantasy...you guys are throwing stats up against the wall.

Look at the Defense Rank, Oline Rank, and amount of close losses you easily can attribute to the HC/Defense. A short missed kick and a fumble are a fantasy? That is 2 right there.

....

Holy shit. You are making up arbitrary comeback wins for Cousins that do not exist, creating none for other QBs, and presenting it as reality to try to dig yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself.

Moreover, you are chastising people for "throwing stats up against a wall". Yes, you are criticizing, real legit stats. So the hole gets deeper!

That smacks of desperation and is fantasy personified!

One of the most bizarre things I've ever seen on here. And as usual you are tripling down on your fabricated lunacy....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 2:02:12 PM

Phil Riewer

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Fabrication is how much better Stafford is...that was the original argument. LA has the better coach and team.

LALA land or island is blaming Kirk....are you on that island Bill?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 2:04:42 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think Harbaugh could get more out of Cousins.

Just beefing up the defense with maybe one draft or FA starter added to the OL and I could see getting 1 of the top 2 seeds next year.

Lol I almost spit out my lunch laughing at this. Damn that's the ultimate optimist

We are way closer to a full on rebuild than a top 2 seed next year. Aging high priced veterans that need to go.
I vote for the rebuild vs pushing the cap hell down one more disappointing season

Where are the old guys on offense outside of Thielen?

Griffen, Barr, Woods, and maybe Hunter/Pierce/Kendricks gone.

Bynum and Vigil can replace Woods and and Barr at a less cost. Hunter is the only ? we can't replace. You don't need a full rebuild as the Vikings are like the 5th youngest team right now.

Kendricks?

Probably the 2nd most draft capital on the defense and 29ish in age. Might take something that drastic.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 5:32:01 PM

DavidAOlson

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I remember Von Miller and Myles Garrett battles with Covid. Well documented. Possibly they will never be the same. A shell of their former selves.

Garrett had his best year ever (16 sacks) and will be Top 3 in DPOY voting.

Miller is on a tear right now and is a huge reason the Rams are in the NFCCG.

Snark all you want. They lost a substantial chunk of time to Covid.

A small fraction of players choose a significantly riskier path. And because vaccination lowered transmission of the Delta strain, they benefitted from the actions taken by everyone around them.

NFL player vaccination rates were extremely high. At work, every coach and trainer had mandatory vaccinations. They had strict protocols about contacts and frequent testing. And they had few major problems. Seems like there's an obvious lesson.

Even for omicron, apparently less dangerous, and where about 2/3rds of the unvaccinated have had a previous Covid infection, the hospitalization rates are about 50x higher for the unvaccinated. Immunity by infection is markedly less effective than vaccination, and the data clearly shows that an infection is massively more dangerous.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 6:35:36 PM

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Lots of positivity floating around Twitter about our boy, Kirk!

Erin Henderson
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11h
I say Kirk better than Jimmy G and Stafford and yall talking to me about Joey B. Yall not my kinda weird at all

It Twitter.. not a place I go for anything but laughs..

I have an account on Twitter but no app for Twitter..

I tried using Twitter I gain support for my case to get my daughter out of foster care.. a real issue that effects a real family.. I might as well have pissed into the wind..

Two posters from here cared enough to try and help, and if they want thier contributions back, thy can pm me and I’ll take care of it.

Otherwise Nothing said on Twitter carries any weight.. it’s a social credit farm filled with people trying to “ get famous”, get rich, or share idiotic information, as “ facts “ or “ truth”..

I don’t post their, I don’t post on FB either.. I read for entertainment on social media, including the subs I follow on Reddit..

Twitter has ruined the validity of almost everything it touches
It is a stupidity contagion social virus on the order of an STD.

JMO

Oh, there's plenty of shit on Twitter, no doubt. But it can be as good or as bad as you want it. You don't have to "follow" the crap and you can "unfollow" anyone you want.

I can't imagine too many sports journalists without an account and many have good stuff to offer - the reason I go there.

- Dan, you really need to start looking on the better side of life ... we're running out of time; enjoy the finish

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 6:58:43 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Fabrication is how much better Stafford is...that was the original argument. LA has the better coach and team.

LALA land or island is blaming Kirk....are you on that island Bill?

Keep adjusting recorded stats with your fantasy alternative facts.

Hey, can you give Cook another 175 yards this year because in those times he was tripped up he would have gained more yards.

Do it Alternative Pro Football Reference Phil!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 7:00:55 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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I remember Von Miller and Myles Garrett battles with Covid. Well documented. Possibly they will never be the same. A shell of their former selves.

Garrett had his best year ever (16 sacks) and will be Top 3 in DPOY voting.

Miller is on a tear right now and is a huge reason the Rams are in the NFCCG.

Snark all you want. They lost a substantial chunk of time to Covid.

A small fraction of players choose a significantly riskier path. And because vaccination lowered transmission of the Delta strain, they benefitted from the actions taken by everyone around them.

NFL player vaccination rates were extremely high. At work, every coach and trainer had mandatory vaccinations. They had strict protocols about contacts and frequent testing. And they had few major problems. Seems like there's an obvious lesson.

Even for omicron, apparently less dangerous, and where about 2/3rds of the unvaccinated have had a previous Covid infection, the hospitalization rates are about 50x higher for the unvaccinated. Immunity by infection is markedly less effective than vaccination, and the data clearly shows that an infection is massively more dangerous.

That SHOULD put the debate to rest.... but there will probably be some new twist and spin replies!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 8:12:01 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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I remember Von Miller and Myles Garrett battles with Covid. Well documented. Possibly they will never be the same. A shell of their former selves.

Garrett had his best year ever (16 sacks) and will be Top 3 in DPOY voting.

Miller is on a tear right now and is a huge reason the Rams are in the NFCCG.

Snark all you want. They lost a substantial chunk of time to Covid.

A small fraction of players choose a significantly riskier path. And because vaccination lowered transmission of the Delta strain, they benefitted from the actions taken by everyone around them.

NFL player vaccination rates were extremely high. At work, every coach and trainer had mandatory vaccinations. They had strict protocols about contacts and frequent testing. And they had few major problems. Seems like there's an obvious lesson.

Even for omicron, apparently less dangerous, and where about 2/3rds of the unvaccinated have had a previous Covid infection, the hospitalization rates are about 50x higher for the unvaccinated. Immunity by infection is markedly less effective than vaccination, and the data clearly shows that an infection is massively more dangerous.

That SHOULD put the debate to rest.... but there will probably be some new twist and spin replies!

nm

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 1/31/2022 8:19:08 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 8:35:01 PM

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No QB has won the superbowl while accounting for more that 13% of the cap.
I.e. Every winning superbowl QB has taken up less than 13% of the cap.

Kirk is at 17% this year.
Kirk is projected to be 21% in 2022.

Kirk would have to have a salary cap of around 26 mil in 2022 to be at 13%.

I can't see Kirk ever doing that.

He insists on guaranteed money(not arguing for or against)... and it's just not possible to structure the contract with that and him demanding near top dollar.

Vikes would be better off to trade Kirk, imo.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2022 11:59:52 PM 1 votes

Todd M

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Fantasy GM

Hire Harbaugh and let him call the plays
Re-up Hunter
Redo Cousins...5 years 125 mil total. 50 million SB. Puts his cap hit at like 25 a year. (feel free to correct my math) add SB bonuses.
Trade Cook for a 2nd rp. Go with Mattison and Nwangwu.
Trade down in the 1st for a 2rp and a 2023 1st.

With our 1st 4 picks grab an IOL,IOL , a CB, and DL.

< Message edited by Todd M -- 2/1/2022 12:04:44 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2022 3:47:42 AM

Todd M

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I know my #'s for Cousins aren't right.

I'm not sure something can be drawn up that can make sense for the team and be agreed upon by Cousins. Stupid to wish Cousins would have a come to Jesus moment and realize he can't ride a camel from the bank through the eye of a needle.

Back and forth I go imagining Harbaugh wouldn't want to be saddled with Cousins to make his mark against he wouldn’t want a rookie.

Such a fun os with so many ways it could go...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2022 8:18:38 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Fabrication is how much better Stafford is...that was the original argument. LA has the better coach and team.

LALA land or island is blaming Kirk....are you on that island Bill?

Keep adjusting recorded stats with your fantasy alternative facts.

Hey, can you give Cook another 175 yards this year because in those times he was tripped up he would have gained more yards.

Do it Alternative Pro Football Reference Phil!

The point still remains that Kirk was about the 10th problem on the team.....Coaching was #1....you can keep blaming Kirk and think that is the issue....good luck.

Kirk is playing in the Pro Bowl I see....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2022 8:20:17 AM

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sorry. having pasting problems.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/1/2022 8:22:50 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2022 8:38:53 AM

Brad H

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Kirk Cousins finished with a 78.4 passer rating in the final two minutes of halves, which is pretty poor.

Cousins' numbers pretty much dropped across the board in the final two minutes. His completion percentage dropped to 56.5%. He had just three touchdowns in the final two minutes all season (I think Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes combined for about five in one game a couple of weeks ago). His average yards-per-completion went microscopic at 5.8.

Cousins was #30 in the league in 2020 in two-minute offense. In 2021, around #20.

Other comparables (two-minute ratings):

Aaron Rodgers, 123.7
Joe Burrow, 118.8
Jameis Winston, 116.1 (small sampling)
Matthew Stafford, 112.6
Russell Wilson, 111.2
Dak Prescott, 102.5
Davis Mills, 99.2
Justin Herbert, 94.1
Teddy Bridgewater, 91.1
Matt Ryan, 90.9
Taysom Hill, 90.8
Kyler Murray, 87.4
Taylor Heinicke, 85.9
Ryan Tannehill, 85.6
Josh Allen, 84.5
Tom Brady, 84.4
Zach Wilson, 83.7
Sam Darnold, 83.4
Trevor Lawrence, 81.4
Tua Tagovailoa, 80.8
Kirk Cousins, 78.4
Jalen Hurts, 77.9
Carson Wentz, 77.0
Ben Roethlisberger, 76.9
Derek Carr, 76.4
Jared Goff, 76.0
Tyler Huntley, 73.3
Mac Jones, 67.6
Patrick Mahomes, 66.3 (the one stunner in the group)
Justin Fields, 65.0
Lamar Jackson, 62.0
Baker Mayfield, 58.5
Daniel Jones, 56.3
Cam Newton, 17.1

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/1/2022 9:32:35 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2022 9:03:13 AM

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