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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/2/2022 8:36:55 PM   
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Whew, thought for a moment we were going to lose Brad - let's go O'Connell!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/2/2022 8:39:29 PM  1 votes
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Whew, thought for a moment we were going to lose Brad - let's go O'Connell!

We would have forgot where a great defense starts.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 11:04:46 AM   
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#Vikings who provided the MOST amount of value over APY in 2021 (current APY):

1. Justin Jefferson ($3.28M)*
2. Tyler Conklin ($685K)
3. DJ Wonnum ($1.01M)
4. Ezra Cleveland ($1.38M)
5. Armon Watts ($672K)

*No. 1 value over APY in the NFL at his position

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 11:04:58 AM   
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#Vikings who provided the LEAST amount of value over APY in 2021 (current APY), per OTC:

1. DE Danielle Hunter ($14.4M)
2. WR Adam Thielen ($16.2M)
3. DT Michael Pierce ($9M)
4. S Harrison Smith ($16M)
5. RB Dalvin Cook ($12.6M)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 11:34:56 AM   
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Sean Borman
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#Vikings who provided the LEAST amount of value over APY in 2021 (current APY), per OTC:

1. DE Danielle Hunter ($14.4M)
2. WR Adam Thielen ($16.2M)
3. DT Michael Pierce ($9M)
4. S Harrison Smith ($16M)
5. RB Dalvin Cook ($12.6M)



i realize the tweet uses 'current apy....

but, smith's cap hit in 2021 was $10m and then redone to be $7m...his 2022 cap hit is $13.4m

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 11:43:34 AM   
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Brad, what do you think of O'Connell ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 11:46:22 AM   
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From @gmfb: The #Jaguars continue to work toward adding former #Vikings GM Rick Spielman to their front office. Sources tell us at @nflnetwork progress has been made, though nothing is done yet. Doug Pederson remains in the mix for the HC job.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 11:58:26 AM   
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Brad, what do you think of O'Connell ?

O'Connell won't offend Gopher fans, so Brad's good.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 12:38:01 PM   
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I don't know much about the guy and he's never been a head guy so that's a big alarming but it'll sure be good to know that our HC doesn't need to where his glasses at the end of his nose to be able to read his 3 plays on the defensive chart

off coverage

way off coverage

no coverage at all ** call this one right before half and the end of games. Don't forget, look pissed and doggone it, you're tough.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 12:44:41 PM   
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O’Connell will be the fourth coordinator under McVay to land a head coaching gig, joining Matt LaFleur (Packers), Zac Taylor (Bengals) and Brandon Staley (Chargers). Pretty good company considering McVay and Taylor are coaching in the Super Bowl, and LaFleur has won at least 13 games every year since becoming a head coach.

Greg Beacham, who covers the Rams for the Associated Press, recently gave an interview with the Broncos about Kevin O’Connell when he was a candidate for the Broncos head coaching job. Here is how he described him:

“The thing about Kevin O’Connell is he’s been at the controls of the Rams’ offense in almost every way, except actually calling the plays, for two years, which makes him a guy who’s seen what Sean McVay does and what makes the Rams so successful over the last five years. And there’s only a handful of guys in the world who can say that; three of the other assistants who can say that are currently head coaches of their own teams, and two are still in the playoffs along with Sean McVay, so the pedigree is impeccable. There’s no doubt that Kevin is the next guy in that lineage.

He is the most important part of the offensive brain trust that develops the Rams’ game plans, designs their plays and then implements all the details necessary to make it work on Sundays. It’s the biggest role on the offense that doesn’t belong to Sean McVay. Kevin is in charge of making sure everything works, and Sean likes him in the role so much that he blocked Kevin from interviewing last year to be the Chargers’ offensive coordinator when Brandon Staley moved across town. Not calling the plays is obviously what people hold against Kevin, but this offense is undeniably McVay’s baby and it always will be, because he loves the competitive aspect of calling plays, making decisions. The counterargument to that is that Zac Taylor never called a play that mattered in his two years with Sean McVay; he was never even a coordinator with all the responsibilities that entails. But he picked up everything he needed to know to be a success in a job that took probably more top-to-bottom work in Cincinnati than probably is required with the Broncos. They’re already a decent team with a decent roster. What other teams are looking for when they look at Rams assistants is someone who’s intimately familiar with both McVay’s offense and also the Rams’ entire process of how they create that offense, how they innovate, how they manage to renew it, whether it’s through new schemes, new personnel or getting the most out of the old personnel. And Kevin O’Connell has had a front-row seat of it for the last two years to the process of McVay restoring an offense that was the envy of the league in 2017 and 2018, took a pretty significant downturn in 2019 and 2020, and is now back up among one of the NFL’s best. Kevin has seen every part of what Sean did to accomplish that, and you can really say nobody aside from McVay knows it better than him at this point.

Kevin seems to share a lot of Sean’s philosophies; that’s why they get along so well and they both came up under Jay Gruden, so they have a similar base of knowledge in terms of coaching. Putting that together, I wouldn’t expect to see a lot from Kevin that you haven’t seen from Sean, but that’s part of what you have to grow into as a head coach. You have to find out what you do like and don’t like once you have the finger on the button, so to speak.

I will say that as reporters we haven’t got to know Kevin in the same way we’d know most coaches because his tenure with the Rams has been during the pandemic, which limits the amount of time we get to spend in conversation with everybody, not just him. But I will say the Rams players seem to love him. They speak highly about his attitude, his communication skills and his ability to relate to them. Obviously since he was an NFL player — Sean McVay was not — Kevin understands whatever aspects of what it takes to play in this league that other coaches can’t appreciate, in a certain way. I don’t generally think that’s a big deal because, you know, Sean McVay seems to have figured it out just fine and there’s a lot of head coaches who didn’t play in the league who seem to have figured it out just fine, but there’s no denying that some players respect former players in a special way. O’Connell was even a backup for Matthew Stafford in Detroit for about a week while he bounced around the NFL as a backup quarterback, and Stafford told us today [on Wednesday] that O’Connell is a better coach than he was a player, so he’s got that going for him. He still has his playing instincts, for sure. One thing that we do see from Kevin is he throws the ball around after almost every practice while he’s working with the quarterbacks, the receivers, getting in a few reps on his own or just to stay ready. He enjoys being both a part of the guys and also a leader. I think that’s a great vibe to have in the modern NFL.”


https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/2/2/22915377/kevin-oconnell-will-be-the-next-head-coach-of-the-minnesota-vikings
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 5:03:53 PM   
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I don't see Vikings fans talking about these cap hits:
Danielle Hunter: $26.1M
Adam Thielen: $16.9M
Dalvin Cook: $12M
Michael Pierce: $10.5M
This is much more concerning than a placeholder salary for Kirk that can easily be reduced with an extension

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 5:13:30 PM   
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I don't see Vikings fans talking about these cap hits:
Danielle Hunter: $26.1M
Adam Thielen: $16.9M
Dalvin Cook: $12M
Michael Pierce: $10.5M
This is much more concerning than a placeholder salary for Kirk that can easily be reduced with an extension


I guess he doesn't read the boards here...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 5:22:57 PM   
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I don't see Vikings fans talking about these cap hits:
Danielle Hunter: $26.1M
Adam Thielen: $16.9M
Dalvin Cook: $12M
Michael Pierce: $10.5M
This is much more concerning than a placeholder salary for Kirk that can easily be reduced with an extension


hunter's cap hit in 2023 is much less - like $9m...might be risky to extend for more guaranteed money because of his health the last two years
cook has $9m dead money - next year is the time to cut him
pierce will very likely be lat go this offseason - saves about $6m

thielen with be renegotiated down, or cut ant then offered new, smaller deal


we need to cut, or renegotiate cousins or hunter or both, otherwise, we have no cap space to work with....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2022 6:07:07 PM   
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I don't see Vikings fans talking about these cap hits:
Danielle Hunter: $26.1M
Adam Thielen: $16.9M
Dalvin Cook: $12M
Michael Pierce: $10.5M
This is much more concerning than a placeholder salary for Kirk that can easily be reduced with an extension


I guess he doesn't read the boards here...

Yea, I think he thinks he’s the only one who has access to overthecap.com..

Fn Twitter…
waste of time..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 7:19:56 AM   
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I don't see Vikings fans talking about these cap hits:
Danielle Hunter: $26.1M
Adam Thielen: $16.9M
Dalvin Cook: $12M
Michael Pierce: $10.5M
This is much more concerning than a placeholder salary for Kirk that can easily be reduced with an extension


I hear plenty of talk of clearing out or restructuring of multiple over paid veterans.

The reason fans are focusing on KC is simple:

He is one of 53 and takes up more than 21% of your cap next year and no team has won the Super Bowl with a QB taking up more than 13% of the cap.

He is the highest paid individual on the team and is being paid double what he's actually worth next season. He is not top tier but is being paid like a HOFer and real leader of men. In reality he's an slightly above average QB, who can't go off script, is a follower, not a leader and gets tight in big spots..

If he takes 20 mil/yr not as many fans would complain. I'd still want a new QB that can win us a championship but others would stop complaining about him being grossly so overpaid.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 8:53:18 AM   
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Still-#Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh tells
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that "this is the last time” he’ll chase an NFL job while admitting the #Vikings weren’t as enthusiastic about him as he was about them. Minnesota ultimately chose Kevin O’Connell.


There ya go, Rapoport, Harbaugh and Albom giving us some good info

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 10:12:24 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 10:19:51 AM   
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Ian Rapoport
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Still-#Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh tells
@MitchAlbom
that "this is the last time” he’ll chase an NFL job while admitting the #Vikings weren’t as enthusiastic about him as he was about them. Minnesota ultimately chose Kevin O’Connell.


There ya go, Rapoport, Harbaugh and Albom giving us some good info

The rest of the Albom interview ... some interesting speculation from Harbaugh's point of view.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/mitch-albom/2022/02/04/mitch-albom-jim-harbaugh-michigan-football-nfl-minnesota-vikings/6645110001/

I don't know. Seems like a no lose situation to me. It would have been great to bring in Harbaugh based on his past record, the Vikings are convinced that O'Connell was the most impressive up and comer.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 3:22:52 PM   
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I’m fine with O’Connell

It shows a complete sea change in the way the Wilfs are looking at this teams direction.

Will it be better or worse?

I do not know.

But I find it refreshing to have the team going in a younger, quite possibly more in tune with the modern NFL archetype of team leadership.

I’m ok with it, I applaud the Wilfs for breaking out of the rut, and forging a new direction.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 3:54:39 PM   
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This video of O'Connell could be concerning:

https://twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/status/1489407845875392515?t=B78GU2rYtC42KTEXv0ek4Q&s=07

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 4:01:05 PM   
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This video of O'Connell could be concerning:

https://twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/status/1489407845875392515?t=B78GU2rYtC42KTEXv0ek4Q&s=07

Oh the horror.. a video from what? 4 years ago?



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 5:43:07 PM   
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Boy I'm sure glad they don't have some videos of me from my finer moments - what would the world think?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 6:42:36 PM   
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4 years isn't all that long ago. What is frightening for some, is KO sounds a little like KC, and this probably also means we're stuck with KC.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 6:46:19 PM   
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If feel Cousins was much safer with Harbaugh.

I want to trade Cousins and move up for Pickett.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 7:12:47 PM   
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I agree with trading Cousins and getting Pickett, it seems with O'Connell's familiarity with Cousins, along with getting Stafford to the SB, that it's more likely the Vikings give it a go with Cousins

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