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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

I don't know why you would go into rebuild mode.....you have talent on offense. Worst case is you trade Defense pieces and rebuild the defense on the fly.

Converting Hunters contract to signing bonus and not restructuring Kirk is where I would start....Draft a high end CB in 1st round and throw all the draft resources at the defense.

If you want clean you don't do what you did the last couple years. They have put together a great coaching staff on both sides and hopefully they draft well.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

Until something creative is done, we are soo far over the cap we can’t even field a complete team.
Let alone a competitive one.


We have 57 players under some kind of contract and are 16 million dollars in the red.

Notable unrestricted free agents
Minnesota Vikings 2022 UFAs
Player Pos. 2021 Team Snaps Age 2022 Team
Xavier Woods S Vikings 100.00% 27
Tyler Conklin TE Vikings 81.00% 27
Patrick Peterson CB Vikings 73.30% 32
Anthony Barr LB Vikings 64.90% 30
Nick Vigil LB Vikings 59.50% 29
Mackensie Alexander CB Vikings 57.10% 29
Sheldon Richardson IDL Vikings 57.00% 32
Mason Cole C Vikings 41.40% 26
Everson Griffen EDGE Vikings 37.80% 35
Jordan Berry P Vikings 32.70% 31
Rashod Hill LT Vikings 30.00% 30
Dede Westbrook WR Vikings 18.50% 29
Christopher Herndon IV TE Vikings 16.10% 26
Luke Stocker TE Vikings 13.50% 34
Sean Mannion QB Vikings 4.50% 30
Wayne Gallman RB Vikings 4.40% 28
Tashawn Bower EDGE Vikings 4.20% 27
Chad Beebe WR Vikings 0.00% 28
Dakota Dozier LG Vikings 0.00% 31


That has to be fixed by March 16 th, 4 pm.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

When’s the last time he was relevant, on the field?

Maybe it’s Zimmer’s fault, maybe he can’t run routes, maybe cousins can’t trust him, or maybe he is never “ open enough” by the time the sand in the hourglass gets to “tight end route read”..

Who knows..

We save 1.28 million against the cap to not have him standing on the sidelines pretending he is a player.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

I don't know why you would go into rebuild mode.....you have talent on offense. Worst case is you trade Defense pieces and rebuild the defense on the fly.

Converting Hunters contract to signing bonus and not restructuring Kirk is where I would start....Draft a high end CB in 1st round and throw all the draft resources at the defense.

If you want clean you don't do what you did the last couple years. They have put together a great coaching staff on both sides and hopefully they draft well.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Well it’s no surprise that cousins is not interested in doing a deal.

He has a winning lottery ticket, all he needs to do is cash it.

That's your response to, "Word is that Cousin's agents have told the Vikings ...?"

What happen to your standards?

What do you want me to do?

Thank him for refusing to try and work a deal?

I’m fine with paying him his contract, then letting him walk.

We need to move on from the shit contracts Spielman handed out..

Player turnover is a normal thing.

Good organizations find younger talent and build on that.

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

We could live and move on from all of them.
Save 26 million in cap.

I think 26 million could do some work in FA.

I don’t hold these players as worthless, well Irv jr. and Stanley,, but the are vastly overpaid for no other reason than ex- coach/ Stan- fan favorites.

Why are we paying Hunter so much money?

He has talent, yes, but how many defensive snaps, versus the amount of money he has been paid, over the past 2 seasons?

C’mon.

125 million dollars of cap tied up in the top six players on over the cap.com
You don’t build a competitive, balanced team, with that kind of overcommitted cap space to six players.

I stopped at the bold ... what I was referencing is you ranted about any info regarding our "new" coaching and Twitter being so unreliable yet you take "word is ..." (why, bc it gives you an opportunity to take a shot at Cousins?)

Come on now, big guy - you can own it ;)

I should of let this go but I thought the irony was too good pass up. I respect your thoughts on Cousins.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

I don't know why you would go into rebuild mode.....you have talent on offense. Worst case is you trade Defense pieces and rebuild the defense on the fly.

Converting Hunters contract to signing bonus and not restructuring Kirk is where I would start....Draft a high end CB in 1st round and throw all the draft resources at the defense.

If you want clean you don't do what you did the last couple years. They have put together a great coaching staff on both sides and hopefully they draft well.

Most (if not all) of these guys haven't coached a single NFL game at their positions with us.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

I don't know why you would go into rebuild mode.....you have talent on offense. Worst case is you trade Defense pieces and rebuild the defense on the fly.

Converting Hunters contract to signing bonus and not restructuring Kirk is where I would start....Draft a high end CB in 1st round and throw all the draft resources at the defense.

If you want clean you don't do what you did the last couple years. They have put together a great coaching staff on both sides and hopefully they draft well.

Most (if not all) of these guys haven't coached a single NFL game at their positions with us.

So you like Zimmer's coaching staff better?

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

MAYBE he was poised for a big 2021, his 2020 sophomore season was basically the same as his 2019 rookie season except for 5 TDs vs 2. I've still got hope for him, but even if completely healthy for the 2022 season, does missing all of 2021 set him back a bit?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

Not sure we need the refresher...

I like Irv and all, but 30/365/5 is pretty low standards for "breaking out".

His single game career highs are 6 receptions, 64 yards and 2 TDs.

He's broken 40 yards 6 times, and has scored TDs in 5 games.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

Not sure we need the refresher...

I like Irv and all, but 30/365/5 is pretty low standards for "breaking out".

His single game career highs are 6 receptions, 64 yards and 2 TDs.

He's broken 40 yards 6 times, and has scored TDs in 5 games.

Saying 5 TD's year 2...is STARTING to come on as Rudolph petered out...is a lot more accurate than it is belonging
on Dan's list...
Irv was poised for a 10TD season.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

MAYBE he was poised for a big 2021, his 2020 sophomore season was basically the same as his 2019 rookie season except for 5 TDs vs 2. I've still got hope for him, but even if completely healthy for the 2022 season, does missing all of 2021 set him back a bit?

He was looking really good December 2020; 3 games 150 yards and 3 TDs...just hope he can get healthy.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

You guys need a refresher on Smith.

He had started to break out in 2020 his 2nd year and was poised for a big 2021 before he went down to a season ending injury.

I don't know what you guys are trying to spin here...

Not sure we need the refresher...

I like Irv and all, but 30/365/5 is pretty low standards for "breaking out".

His single game career highs are 6 receptions, 64 yards and 2 TDs.

He's broken 40 yards 6 times, and has scored TDs in 5 games.

Saying 5 TD's year 2...is STARTING to come on as Rudolph petered out...is a lot more accurate than it is belonging
on Dan's list...
Irv was poised for a 10TD season.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Just a question....I think he put a great staff together pretty quick. Just getting Pettine and Donatell....

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Just a question....I think he put a great staff together pretty quick. Just getting Pettine and Donatell....

Other than last season, Donatell coordinated defenses (11 seasons) have been the definition of average. And I can't really get excited about an assistant head coach who's career as head coach is 10-22. These moves could turn out well/serve a purpose, but the history doesn't lend itself to a prediction of "great", IMO.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Just a question....I think he put a great staff together pretty quick. Just getting Pettine and Donatell....

Other than last season, Donatell coordinated defenses (11 seasons) have been the definition of average. And I can't really get excited about an assistant head coach who's career as head coach is 10-22. These moves could turn out well/serve a purpose, but the history doesn't lend itself to a prediction of "great", IMO.