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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Like KOC said at his presser, Donatell is a guy who will run the D so that he (KOC) doesn't have to worry about things 'over there'. Experienced. Age 65. "Great" was never mentioned. Nor was his seemingly downgrade to the NYJ special assistant and years as a secondary coach after his last DC stint in 2006.

Donatell is basically a Kubiak for the D, hopefully w/o aspiring kids looking to break into NFL coaching.

You want a 32nd ranked D, he'll get you 16th. You want a top ranked D, he'll get you 16th.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Just a question....I think he put a great staff together pretty quick. Just getting Pettine and Donatell....

Other than last season, Donatell coordinated defenses (11 seasons) have been the definition of average. And I can't really get excited about an assistant head coach who's career as head coach is 10-22. These moves could turn out well/serve a purpose, but the history doesn't lend itself to a prediction of "great", IMO.

But you neglect to factor in a couple of key Philisms:
- They lost several close games each season so their records are better... easily by 3-4 games a year.
- They had injuries to several mediocre starters and key backups, if healthy that's a couple of victories a year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Like KOC said at his presser, Donatell is a guy who will run the D so that he (KOC) doesn't have to worry about things 'over there'. Experienced. Age 65. "Great" was never mentioned. Nor was his seemingly downgrade to the NYJ special assistant and years as a secondary coach after his last DC stint in 2006.

Donatell is basically a Kubiak for the D, hopefully w/o aspiring kids looking to break into NFL coaching.

You want a 32nd ranked D, he'll get you 16th. You want a top ranked D, he'll get you 16th.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Just a question....I think he put a great staff together pretty quick. Just getting Pettine and Donatell....

Other than last season, Donatell coordinated defenses (11 seasons) have been the definition of average. And I can't really get excited about an assistant head coach who's career as head coach is 10-22. These moves could turn out well/serve a purpose, but the history doesn't lend itself to a prediction of "great", IMO.

2021 Broncos: 3rd in Points, 8th in Yards.
2020 Broncos: 25th in Points, 21st in Yards.
2019 Broncos: 10th in Points, 12th in Yards.

Prior to 2019 he hadn't been an NFL DC since 2006.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Like KOC said at his presser, Donatell is a guy who will run the D so that he (KOC) doesn't have to worry about things 'over there'. Experienced. Age 65. "Great" was never mentioned. Nor was his seemingly downgrade to the NYJ special assistant and years as a secondary coach after his last DC stint in 2006.

Donatell is basically a Kubiak for the D, hopefully w/o aspiring kids looking to break into NFL coaching.

You want a 32nd ranked D, he'll get you 16th. You want a top ranked D, he'll get you 16th.

A 16th ranked defense would have put us in the playoffs last year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wes Phillips.

Phillips has been with the Rams since the 2019 season and was the passing game coordinator and tight ends coach during the team's Super Bowl run in 2021. .....

The role Phillips will hold in Minnesota is expected to be similar to the one O'Connell had as offensive coordinator in Los Angeles in 2020 and '21. While head coach Sean McVay served as the team's playcaller, O'Connell helped build and develop the team's game plan, which in Minnesota will mirror many of the concepts utilized in the Rams' offense.


So was KOC more like an assistant OC? Or special assistant on offense?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Kirk has had 4 OCs in 4 years....do you think that is on Kirk or the HC? I think he has performed well even though the changes in coaching and the way the coach treats him were in question his whole time with the Vikings.

I would not restructure and see what he can do in 2022...

We all understand what he was up against from a coaching standpoint.

Although by most accounts he is a worker bee ... not exactly joe go-getter demanding a bigger role with audibles / calling timeouts / deeper passing options, etc.

We all understand he has outstanding weapons as well. Not sure everybody realizes that we gave up the 5th fewest sacks in the league ... but anyway ... he is what he is.

If we had a choice, I would not extend him either. Don't think he will budge off of his 45M so it is probably a moot point.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

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Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

If your goal is to have competitive games, this is a route. If your goal is to compete for championships, at least a partial teardown is probably required.

Maybe somewhat unrealistic assessments and demands from the Wilfs have been a foundational problem all along. I really liked the process with the searches this offseason and I'm excited by the hires, but we have no idea how the Wilfs actually operate. I'm not saying there's anything there that is significant, but who knows?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Just a question....I think he put a great staff together pretty quick. Just getting Pettine and Donatell....

Other than last season, Donatell coordinated defenses (11 seasons) have been the definition of average. And I can't really get excited about an assistant head coach who's career as head coach is 10-22. These moves could turn out well/serve a purpose, but the history doesn't lend itself to a prediction of "great", IMO.

But you neglect to factor in a couple of key Philisms:
- They lost several close games each season so their records are better... easily by 3-4 games a year.
- They had injuries to several mediocre starters and key backups, if healthy that's a couple of victories a year.

When Bill has no content he just goes after others...what is your opinion ever Bill on anything?

I had hope for Zimmer but after the LAC game where Bynum, Vigil, and crew looked good and Zimmer wouldn't play them after; my opinion changed on Zimmer, injuries, etc. Again what is your opinion?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

SKOR north has been broadcasting that Kirk is making outrageous contract demands. I have searched the internet high and low and have found nothing of Kirk making any kind of contract demands. Are they pulling this out of their asses or is there a legitimate report I'm missing?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I didn't find anything recent but I found this quote from Cousins about his approach to contracts in general from Sept 2017:

"I prayed about it, and I do believe that the Lord, at least in my life, likes to use one-year contracts and not long-term contracts. He likes to take me to the edge of the Red Sea and have me see there is water in front of me, there are mountains on either side, and there are Egyptians chasing me from behind. And He wants me to sit there for a moment and go, 'God, You better show up.' And then He parts the Red Sea and He's done that time and again in my life, on the football field and off the football field."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731609-kirk-cousins-says-god-told-him-to-sign-1-year-contract-with-redskins

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Desperate management tries to keep older players with declining talent and character issues in an attempt to protect themselves by claiming that the known is better than the unknown.

Thielen, Smith, Griffen, Irv smith Jr, fn China doll Hunter, Barr, Nate Stanley?

-----

Irv Smith? He's making peanuts year 4 of his rookie contract.

Doesn't belong on your list.

I do think Spielman and Zimmer were desperate, understanding that they needed to win big or else, which led to the string of poor contract decisions. The new management team has no such issues for a while. As such, if they so choose, they could clean up the cap issues in one year. Take a few big cap hits, lose a lot of games, and start with a clean slate in 2023 vs. another mediocre year (good offense, poor, aging, oft-injured defense) and kicking the cap issues down the road.

Interesting thought.

Kind of flies in the face if that they said they were gonna do but I guess they couldn't come right out and say it. But getting clean so to speak and getting it to where it's KO guys asap does make sense.

the problem with that is we don't get a competitive game for 19 months - if then...maybe another year or two in a rebuild....

i say, go with cousins, or go with mond or someone else - but build a team around them that can win now...a couple of cb's and interior linemen and we're there...do a reload now....

next offseason we can dump cook, smith, thielen, maybe hunter...do another reload next offseason....

If your goal is to have competitive games, this is a route. If your goal is to compete for championships, at least a partial teardown is probably required.

Maybe somewhat unrealistic assessments and demands from the Wilfs have been a foundational problem all along. I really liked the process with the searches this offseason and I'm excited by the hires, but we have no idea how the Wilfs actually operate. I'm not saying there's anything there that is significant, but who knows?

To me this has legs. Ext Zim & Spiel on short term contracts and demanding to win now is the reason for several bad contracts and desperate trades that have cost the new regime cap space and draft capital. I think a partial tear down is needed as a result.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Kirk has had 4 OCs in 4 years....do you think that is on Kirk or the HC? I think he has performed well even though the changes in coaching and the way the coach treats him were in question his whole time with the Vikings.

I would not restructure and see what he can do in 2022...

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I didn't find anything recent but I found this quote from Cousins about his approach to contracts in general from Sept 2017:

"I prayed about it, and I do believe that the Lord, at least in my life, likes to use one-year contracts and not long-term contracts. He likes to take me to the edge of the Red Sea and have me see there is water in front of me, there are mountains on either side, and there are Egyptians chasing me from behind. And He wants me to sit there for a moment and go, 'God, You better show up.' And then He parts the Red Sea and He's done that time and again in my life, on the football field and off the football field."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731609-kirk-cousins-says-god-told-him-to-sign-1-year-contract-with-redskins

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I didn't find anything recent but I found this quote from Cousins about his approach to contracts in general from Sept 2017:

"I prayed about it, and I do believe that the Lord, at least in my life, likes to use one-year contracts and not long-term contracts. He likes to take me to the edge of the Red Sea and have me see there is water in front of me, there are mountains on either side, and there are Egyptians chasing me from behind. And He wants me to sit there for a moment and go, 'God, You better show up.' And then He parts the Red Sea and He's done that time and again in my life, on the football field and off the football field."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731609-kirk-cousins-says-god-told-him-to-sign-1-year-contract-with-redskins

OK wise guy, that's some kind of misdirected link to "The Onion" isn't it!

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I didn't find anything recent but I found this quote from Cousins about his approach to contracts in general from Sept 2017:

"I prayed about it, and I do believe that the Lord, at least in my life, likes to use one-year contracts and not long-term contracts. He likes to take me to the edge of the Red Sea and have me see there is water in front of me, there are mountains on either side, and there are Egyptians chasing me from behind. And He wants me to sit there for a moment and go, 'God, You better show up.' And then He parts the Red Sea and He's done that time and again in my life, on the football field and off the football field."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731609-kirk-cousins-says-god-told-him-to-sign-1-year-contract-with-redskins

He seems nice.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I didn't find anything recent but I found this quote from Cousins about his approach to contracts in general from Sept 2017:

"I prayed about it, and I do believe that the Lord, at least in my life, likes to use one-year contracts and not long-term contracts. He likes to take me to the edge of the Red Sea and have me see there is water in front of me, there are mountains on either side, and there are Egyptians chasing me from behind. And He wants me to sit there for a moment and go, 'God, You better show up.' And then He parts the Red Sea and He's done that time and again in my life, on the football field and off the football field."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731609-kirk-cousins-says-god-told-him-to-sign-1-year-contract-with-redskins

OK wise guy, that's some kind of misdirected link to "The Onion" isn't it!

The following link has video of Cousins' Liberty Convocation speech (14:05)

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/kirk-cousins-says-god-told-him-not-to-sign-long-term-deal-with-redskins.html

14:05 mark of the Cousins Liberty Convocation video.