Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports

Forums  Register  Login  My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums 

Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ  Ticket List  Log Out

RE: General Vikes Talk

 
Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk Page: <<   < prev  193 194 [195] 196 197   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2022 8:24:14 AM   
Todd M

 

Posts: 40564
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: offline
I ❤️ Kwesi.

Could listen to him talk all day.

So smart...and handsome. #mancrush
Post #: 4851
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2022 8:42:04 AM   
Phil Riewer


Posts: 27402
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline
There was an article on zone coverage how SF did an anti-Brad last year on their secondary and how the SF def was top ten.

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq
Post #: 4852
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2022 10:18:39 AM   
Todd M

 

Posts: 40564
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: offline
Honestly...it was on record my SB calls. Calling the shot that it would be the year...

How could things not lead me to being right back in that fold again.

Inevitable.
Post #: 4853
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2022 11:48:21 AM   
ratoppenheimer


Posts: 9550
Joined: 12/9/2007
From: cascais, portugal...still in exile
Status: online
quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Smiths cap for this year is less than CJ Ham



cj ham's shoes should be dropping any minute now...$2mm in cap space to save....

_____________________________

the journey...is paradise.
Post #: 4854
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2022 11:53:29 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

Posts: 12151
Joined: 9/1/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was an article on zone coverage how SF did an anti-Brad last year on their secondary and how the SF def was top ten.

The writer of that article was obviously delusional.
Post #: 4855
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 5:05:34 AM   
Todd M

 

Posts: 40564
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: offline
‘Kirk’s Our Dog:’ Vikings Stars Blown Away in Meeting With Cousins, Insider Says

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-nfl-news-rumors/

*******

If this team gels together differently skies the limit.

I'd love nothing more than to see a different Kirk Cousins. Makes you wonder just how toxic things had gotten and be glad Zimmer is gone.

I'd love to revisit Cousins and Zimmers odd looking interaction after the Detroit cone back that looked worse than anyone said it was.
Post #: 4856
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 8:49:14 AM   
Chris Olson


Posts: 6797
Joined: 7/15/2007
From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Status: offline
"Kirk’s been listening. And Kirk’s been writing stuff down."
Post #: 4857
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 9:26:18 AM   
TJSweens


Posts: 45009
Joined: 7/16/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

‘Kirk’s Our Dog:’ Vikings Stars Blown Away in Meeting With Cousins, Insider Says

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-nfl-news-rumors/

*******

If this team gels together differently skies the limit.

I'd love nothing more than to see a different Kirk Cousins. Makes you wonder just how toxic things had gotten and be glad Zimmer is gone.

I'd love to revisit Cousins and Zimmers odd looking interaction after the Detroit cone back that looked worse than anyone said it was.

I think it's kind of telling that after 3 years of very little communication, Zimmer and Cousins started meeting weekly. Those meetings to improve communication were initiated by Cousins, not the coach. Zimmer really set the team up to fail.

_____________________________

"The eternal fate of the noble and enlightened: to be brutally crushed by the armed and dumb."
Post #: 4858
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 9:27:42 AM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28543
Status: offline
Yeah there should be a title for that weird emotional shoving event.

It started with a winning FG against the Lions, and if it missed they would have been 1-4. I think KC was happy, fired up, but also wanted to sort of rub in the win. Zimmer was just the oddball and wasn't going to 'celebrate'.
Post #: 4859
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 9:30:54 AM   
TJSweens


Posts: 45009
Joined: 7/16/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah there should be a title for that weird emotional shoving event.

It started with a winning FG against the Lions, and if it missed they would have been 1-4. I think KC was happy, fired up, but also wanted to sort of rub in the win. Zimmer was just the oddball and wasn't going to 'celebrate'.

Zimmer was more suited to coaching in the Grant, Lombardi era.

_____________________________

"The eternal fate of the noble and enlightened: to be brutally crushed by the armed and dumb."
Post #: 4860
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 9:59:17 AM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28543
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah there should be a title for that weird emotional shoving event.

It started with a winning FG against the Lions, and if it missed they would have been 1-4. I think KC was happy, fired up, but also wanted to sort of rub in the win. Zimmer was just the oddball and wasn't going to 'celebrate'.

Zimmer was more suited to coaching in the Grant, Lombardi era.


True.

OC: Jerry Burns
DC: Mike Zimmer

He apparently was also against giving such big bucks to Cousins. So maybe he has some old man wisdom, lol.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 3/27/2022 10:02:23 AM >
Post #: 4861
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 12:18:08 PM   
Nate

 

Posts: 2295
Joined: 9/10/2009
From: A Galaxy Far Far Away...
Status: offline
With the new staff, I'm betting they'll be pretty geeked about all the stadium perks and amenities. I'm not sure how true the rumors are about Zim's disdain of all the tech wizardry, but if it's even partly true I bet the new staff will be giddy to dive into the wonderous techno-center we have. That's gotta be a refreshing change at least.

I'm starting to get excited for the draft, eager to see what strategy KAM uses. If we start trading back and stockpiling 6th and 7th rounders them I'm wondering if we're in the matrix or some level of inception. Red pill please!
Post #: 4862
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 2:37:48 PM   
David F.


Posts: 10864
Joined: 12/31/2007
Status: offline
Regarding Zimmer: He came in and instigated some much-needed structure in regards to the team and installed a defense that, at the time, was top notch. For two years it looked like we were set up for success and all was well. Then... the little mistakes started creeping in. A poor timeout or lack of a timeout, the ridiculous commitment to the run, the MOAP started to surface earlier and earlier in the games, were some of the things I remember seeing. And if I brought things like this up I was greeted with a chorus of "IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING GOING ON THEN YOU DISAGREE WITH ZIMMER AND HE'S A GOD AND WILL WIN 7000 SUPER BOWLS AND WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL THAT IMMORTAL AND ALMIGHTY ZIMMER DOESN'T KNOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Could Zimmer have won in the Grant, Lombardi era? No. The reason? Because he fails to adapt his gameplan and strategy while some of his peers do. His defense was lights out right off the bat but fell off after opposing teams figured it out. Opposing teams figuring things out is not unique to just Zimmer. Every coach gets his stuff figured out by others. The good ones then adjust. Zimmer wouldn't do it and opposing coaches exploited that - the good ones anyway. Opposing coaches in the Grant/Lombardi era would have done the same thing. If winning in that era was as simple as frowning a lot and running the ball too much then there would have been an NFL coaching legend on every team.

Zimmer can go pound sand. I rank him in the same tier as Brad Childress.

_____________________________

I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
Post #: 4863
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 6:27:58 PM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28543
Status: offline
Zimmer style attributes that led to some success, attention to detail, be at this spot, my way or the highway, etc, etc, eventually became his downfall.
Post #: 4864
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 8:41:05 PM   
Phil Riewer


Posts: 27402
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Zimmer style attributes that led to some success, attention to detail, be at this spot, my way or the highway, etc, etc, eventually became his downfall.

I think that was just one thing. The coaching staff was way worse as the years went on and for some reason their was loyalty to players that Zimmer helped find in the draft and FA. Rhodes, Alexander, Barr, Waynes, and less to players drafted/signed that he didn’t find such as Bynum, Cousins, and in general money spent on offense.

Some of that could be Spielman also.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 3/27/2022 8:50:46 PM >


_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq
Post #: 4865
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2022 9:12:18 PM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28543
Status: offline
From a Daily Norseman poster:

They’ll mostly play a 6-man box in front of nickel DBs, with this personnel grouping:
2 DL: big DTs like Phillips and Tomlinson, though one of them might line up at 5-tech and could be called a 3-4 DE
2 edge rushers: Hunter, Smith and the other DEs from Zimmer’s scheme, but now called OLBs
2 LBs: Kendricks and Hicks, now called ILBs but basically similar to the roles Kendricks and Barr played in nickel under Zimmer

You could call that a 2-4, counting the edge rushers as OLBs. It’ll look very similar to the Vikings usual 4-2 front under Zimmer, but with the edge rushers standing up.

On 3rd downs, Fangio (in Chicago and Denver) mostly stuck with the same personnel (2 DL, 2 OLB, 2 ILB). He didn’t bring in an extra edge rusher, like Zimmer often did (Robison would kick inside on 3rd downs in 2017 and Hunter would come in at DE), but would rotate in better pass rushers at the DT positions. For the Vikings this year, that might mean taking off Tomlinson and Phillips on 3rd down and bringing in Watts and Lynch (or someone they add, like maybe they re-sign Sheldon Richardson for this role). Outside Watts/Lynch would be the edge rushers, Hunter and Smith as usual.

On the other hand, the Vikings defense this year won’t only be based on the Fangio system, Mike Pettine is involved as well. And Pettine (as Vikings fans surely remember from 2019) liked to line up his best edge rusher, Za’Darius Smith, over the IOL on 3rd downs, bringing in Rashan Gary as an extra edge rusher / OLB. For the Vikings this year, that would mean pushing ZS inside next to just one DL (Watts is their best DT-sized pass rusher), and bringing in Wonnum (or hopefully someone better who they draft this year) opposite Hunter.

That’s all still the nickel DB packages.

In base packages, in front of 4 DBs, they’ll usually play a standard 3-4 personnel grouping: 3 DL (Phillips, Tomlinson, Watts), 2 OLB (Hunter, Smith) and 2 ILB (Kendricks and Hicks). but even though that’s called “base”, they don’t use it much — Fangio played in base about 30% of snaps with the Bears and Broncos, and Pettine even less often in Green Bay.

In terms of needs…

They’re in decent shape on the DL with these 4: Tomlinson, Phillips, Watts and Lynch. Watts and Lynch might both be better as 5-techs (Lynch especially, that’s more like the role he played at Baylor) than they were as 1-tech DTs in the 4-3. They could use a 5th guy for depth especially if that’s a decent pass rusher (Sheldon Richardson?). Maybe Jaylen Twyman comes back? He might be a good 3rd down pass rusher, but he hasn’t played football in 2 years. They should probably draft one since Tomlinson and Watts are both UFAs this year, and Lynch hasn’t been much good in the NFL, but that’s not a high priority. They could take a developmental guy on day 3.

They’re in excellent shape with their starting OLBs. Hunter and Smith are one of the best pairings in the league. They could use an upgrade over Wonnum as a 3rd pass rusher (I don’t think he’s good at all). They might be able to get a blue chip pass rusher in round 2 this year, it’s a deep class. It’s probably notable that the first thing Pettine did in GB was sign Za’Darius and Preston Smith, and then draft Rashan Gary at #12. So don’t be surprised if they take Travon Walker (if he falls) or more realistically Jermaine Johnson. I do think Wonnum can stick on the roster as a 3-4 OLB (he’s good in space, and plays like a linebacker anyway). The rest of their leftover 4-3 DEs may not make a smooth transition to the 3-4 OLB role (Willekes and Jones especially are probably just pure DEs). Maybe Janarius Robinson can, and be their 4th or 5th guy.

The starting ILBs are also set, with Kendricks and Hicks. They do need better depth than Troy Dye and Blake Lynch, and it’d be good to find someone who might develop given their starters are 30 years old already. It’s worth pointing out that Fangio and Pettine have never emphasized LB depth beyond late round picks and special teams guys. Pettine in particular liked to use a lot of dime (6 DBs) which limits the LB snaps. But given that the Vikings hardly have any DBs as it is, I think they’ll mostly play 2 ILBs with nickel, much as Zimmer did.

So there isn’t a lot they absolutely have to add to the front 7 this year except for an upgrade to Wonnum (never miss the chance to draft a blue chip pass rusher). But they can use depth at DL and LB too, especially with some uncertainty if this year’s starters will still be around next year and beyond.
Post #: 4866
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 8:53:02 AM   
Phil Riewer


Posts: 27402
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline
Ben Goessling
@BenGoessling
One takeaway from Kevin O’Connell’s media session at the NFL meetings: He’s really excited about the Danielle Hunter/Za’Darius Smith combo and how the #Vikings can move them around to create favorable matchups. “That’s why we’ve got Mike Pettine, Mike Smith, Chris Rumph.” (1/2)

“These guys have been in places where we don’t have to just always line up with our hand in the ground at the DE spots, rushing the passer on a straight line. That’s where scheme comes into play. We can move these guys. They’re movable pieces, both Danielle and Za’Darius.” (2/2)

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq
Post #: 4867
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 8:53:27 AM   
Phil Riewer


Posts: 27402
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline
Chad Graff
@ChadGraff
39m
Kevin O'Connell said there will be an open competition at right guard for the Vikings. New signee Jesse Davis may be the frontrunner but he's not being handed the job.


35m
Here's what Kevin O'Connell said when asked about the lack of changes from a Vikings roster that missed the playoffs the last two years:

"Although sometimes things may not jump out as changing the roster, we’ve made some additions that I think will have a big-time impact."

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 3/29/2022 8:55:08 AM >


_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq
Post #: 4868
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 10:07:02 AM   
David F.


Posts: 10864
Joined: 12/31/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Chad Graff
@ChadGraff
39m
Kevin O'Connell said there will be an open competition at right guard for the Vikings. New signee Jesse Davis may be the frontrunner but he's not being handed the job.


35m
Here's what Kevin O'Connell said when asked about the lack of changes from a Vikings roster that missed the playoffs the last two years:

"Although sometimes things may not jump out as changing the roster, we’ve made some additions that I think will have a big-time impact."


I like what I'm hearing, especially as it pertained to Hunter and ZSmith. That being said if Garrett Bradbury is the starting center on opening day this season then we've failed - again.

_____________________________

I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
Post #: 4869
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 11:57:13 AM   
Phil Riewer


Posts: 27402
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline
This is pretty refreshing also:
Ben Goessling
@BenGoessling
O’Connell added there might be some weeks he turns the offense over to coordinator Wes Phillips “and I’ll go be a defensive coach that week.”

“That’s the good part about being a head coach now: You can be in different rooms when you want, and nobody can say anything to you.”

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq
Post #: 4870
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 4:28:19 PM   
David F.


Posts: 10864
Joined: 12/31/2007
Status: offline
There's still a month to the draft and free agency is winding down. We need some discussion material. Rank 'em!


Cooper KuppL AR

Justin Jefferson MIN

Davante Adams GB

Ja'Marr Chase CIN

Deebo Samuel SF

Tyreek Hill KC

Stefon Diggs BUF

Tyler Lockett SEA

Diontae Johnson PIT

DJ Moore CAR

Mike Williams LAC

Keenan Allen LAC

Travis Kelce KC

Chris Godwin TB

CeeDee Lamb DAL

Tee Higgins CIN

Michael Pittman Jr. IND

Darnell Mooney CHI

Terry McLaurin WSH

Hunter Renfrow LV

Brandin Cooks HOU

Mike Evans TB

Jaylen Waddle MIA

Marquise Brown BAL

Christian Kirk ARI

DK Metcalf SEA

DeVonta Smith PHI

Amon-Ra St. Brown DET

A.J. Brown TEN

Jakobi Meyers NE

Amari CooperDAL

Chase ClaypoolPIT

A.J. Green ARI

Marvin Jones Jr. JAX

Tyler Boyd CIN

Brandon Aiyuk SF

Van Jefferson LAR

Kendrick Bourne NE

Courtland Sutton DEN

Russell Gage ATL

Tim Patrick DEN

Adam Thielen MIN

_____________________________

I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
Post #: 4871
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 4:38:05 PM   
Todd M

 

Posts: 40564
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: offline
Was that your ranking?
Post #: 4872
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 5:59:02 PM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28543
Status: offline
Chase, JJ
Post #: 4873
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 6:43:26 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

Posts: 5871
Joined: 7/27/2007
Status: offline
Chad Graff@ChadGraff·9h

Mark Wilf: "Our goals are the same as every year and I'm more excited than ever that we can compete at the highest level." [we expect completely different results, even though the roster is the same and we were intimately involved in hiring both, the old and new regimes]

Mark Wilf: "We’ve been very strategic and intentional and disciplined in how we’re approaching free agency." [mac&cheese, ramen, cereal ... spice it up with a Jack-in-the-Box taco once awhile ...this college diet off-season is not about wise budgetary choices, there's just no other choice]

Chad Graff: Doesn't sound like Irv Smith Jr. will do too much on the field this spring as he works his way back from a season-ending meniscus injury. [no worries, our non-Sugarman adjusted recovery period is down from two years to 8 weeks]

O'Connell: "We’re going to be smart with Irv. There’s no reason why he can’t hit the ground running from a mental perspective this spring." [Like Cousins, Irv will be listening and writing down stuff ... just not in the huddle during the season like Cousins]

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 3/29/2022 6:45:25 PM >
Post #: 4874
RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/29/2022 8:02:15 PM   
David F.


Posts: 10864
Joined: 12/31/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Was that your ranking?


No I just pulled a list of top receivers from 2021.

_____________________________

I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
Post #: 4875
Page:   <<   < prev  193 194 [195] 196 197   next >   >>
All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk Page: <<   < prev  193 194 [195] 196 197   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.5.5 Unicode