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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2022 8:41:44 PM

Ricky J

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Here ya go! I knew deep down KC was no better than avg:

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#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins is rated as the 16th best quarterback for #Madden23.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2022 11:14:01 AM

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quote:

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Here ya go! I knew deep down KC was no better than avg:

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#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins is rated as the 16th best quarterback for #Madden23.

yeah Madden ratings really prove something.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2022 3:20:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Here ya go! I knew deep down KC was no better than avg:

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#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins is rated as the 16th best quarterback for #Madden23.

yeah Madden ratings really prove something.

no less legitimate than other opinions, including in here.

he didn't make top ten in espn's survey of league executives ... I suppose that carries a little bit more weight.

Still just opinions to fill the summer gap.

I would put KC in the 12 range generally, more than capable of playing at a top ten level ... but down into the 15 range when he has to be more aggressive (when the game is tight / we are playing a good defense / etc.)

Can't wait to see if that improves under KOC.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 12:57:07 AM

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I don't think he's rateable. Unless you're going off his play in Wash. Anything he did under Zimmer doesn't count. I mean come on, the guy wouldn't even call a necessary-to-win-timeout bc of the type of relationship he had with the guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 8:18:26 AM

Bill Jandro

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I know most are happy we have changed HC's but it's no slam dunk O'Connell will be good. Zim was completely awful this past season but a rookie HC (whom didn't call plays at his last gig as OC) could make plenty of rookie mistakes. So far the McVay coaching tree has produced a couple real good HC's in Lefleur and Taylor. I sure hope we struck paydirt with O'Connell but as a life long Viking fan I'm toning down my expectations.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 8:59:56 AM

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quote:

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I don't think he's rateable. Unless you're going off his play in Wash. Anything he did under Zimmer doesn't count. I mean come on, the guy wouldn't even call a necessary-to-win-timeout bc of the type of relationship he had with the guy.

That's because he is weak.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 10:18:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I don't think he's rateable. Unless you're going off his play in Wash. Anything he did under Zimmer doesn't count. I mean come on, the guy wouldn't even call a necessary-to-win-timeout bc of the type of relationship he had with the guy.

I am more than happy to agree that rating and comparing athletes is barely useful. Its by far more fun than it is accurate.

And yes if you are going to single out and heap excuses on one player as if he was the only one at his position with obstacles … you can’t compare him.

However, KC has played on different teams with different coaches (including KOC), with some all world talent, on a team with a top 10 defense, in a career that has lasted 10 years … so … yeah … there is gobs of material to compare KC with other QBs. Even if the exercise is pointless.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 11:14:20 AM

Tom Sykes

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I know most are happy we have changed HC's but it's no slam dunk O'Connell will be good. Zim was completely awful this past season but a rookie HC (whom didn't call plays at his last gig as OC) could make plenty of rookie mistakes. So far the McVay coaching tree has produced a couple real good HC's in Lefleur and Taylor. I sure hope we struck paydirt with O'Connell but as a life long Viking fan I'm toning down my expectations.

Zimmer was such a strange unlikeable beast ... he had reduced down to an absolute caricature of his worst attributes in 2020 and 2021. His bad traits were there even in his good seasons but its like he coached his best game in the NO 2019 playoff game and then snapped completely.

IMO this narrative that he was just horrible period is slightly revisionist. We'll be pretty lucky if KOC ends up with 11-5 and 13-3 records in his first four years, including two NFC north titles and an NFCCG.

If he can do that without Zimmer's up and down inconsistency (and crassness), we'll be in great shape.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 7/24/2022 11:18:47 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 11:35:02 AM

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2022 training camp has opened and no contract for Booth or Ingram. In the entire NFL there are only 12 draft picks that remain unsigned and 2 of those 12 are the Vikings 2nd and 3rd picks. We most likely get them signed eventually, but there is something very wrong with this.

12 unsigned players divided by 32 teams in the NFL = 0.375 unsigned picks per team yet the Vikings have 2. 8 unsigned 2nd round picks divided by 32=0.25 yet the Vikings have 2.

To me this does not speak well of Kwesi. I know it takes two to tango blah, blah, blah, but Kwesi needs to figure out how to get it done. Don't wait until training camp.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 4:53:23 PM

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Snore…

Wrong.. again..

Go figure.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 4:59:13 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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Ingram agreed to terms Tuesday…

4 days ago..

Booth is a ****ing hospital warrior..

Probably holding out to get a guarantee, then Marty himself right out of the league.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 5:01:03 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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Ingram reportedly signed 4 years for 6 million dollar deal..

****ig horrible contract terms…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 9:26:13 PM

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Ingram could have a major impact, he sure looked good in some drills.

I have a feeling Booth will flash early on, then allow himself to get injured, not available for the home stretch.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/24/2022 9:29:37 PM

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I have high expectations for KOC, not tempered in the least. He feels like the best hire since Bud Grant.

I feel like he will make mostly good or great decisions. The downfall of the team could be Donatell not being agressive enough, injuries, or maybe Cousins not making a quick enough decision when facing late adversity.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 4:15:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I know most are happy we have changed HC's but it's no slam dunk O'Connell will be good. Zim was completely awful this past season but a rookie HC (whom didn't call plays at his last gig as OC) could make plenty of rookie mistakes. So far the McVay coaching tree has produced a couple real good HC's in Lefleur and Taylor. I sure hope we struck paydirt with O'Connell but as a life long Viking fan I'm toning down my expectations.

Zimmer was such a strange unlikeable beast ... he had reduced down to an absolute caricature of his worst attributes in 2020 and 2021. His bad traits were there even in his good seasons but its like he coached his best game in the NO 2019 playoff game and then snapped completely.

IMO this narrative that he was just horrible period is slightly revisionist. We'll be pretty lucky if KOC ends up with 11-5 and 13-3 records in his first four years, including two NFC north titles and an NFCCG.

If he can do that without Zimmer's up and down inconsistency (and crassness), we'll be in great shape.

2021 was the most unwatchable season in vikings' history, and of course, i watched every phucking game...imo; not having zimmer is going to make an enormous difference....

no prevent defense during two-minute drills is worth one win....

not restraining the offense every game is worth one win....

not having zimmer's inept clock managing is worth one win....

unleashing a new offensive system with the 4th best playmakers is worth one win....

nine home games, and an away game in London - where they love us....

that's 12-5, and there's probably another win somewhere in this positive team-chemistry, player-friendly transition....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 4:35:34 AM

ratoppenheimer

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we signed booth....

Around The NFL@AroundTheNFL
Vikings sign CB Andrew Booth Jr. and OL Ed Ingram to rookie deals, have all of 2022 draft class under contract

Kevin Seifert@SeifertESPN
The Vikings have completed contracts with all of their 2022 draft picks. CB Andrew Booth Jr. and OL Ed Ingram signed their deals today as rookies reported.

VikingNations@VikingNations
Rookie CB Andrew Booth Jr agrees to terms with the #Vikings.
Per: Tomasson
All 10 '22 draft picks are now signed. #SKOL

Ben Goessling@BenGoessling
The #Vikings signed Andrew Booth and Ed Ingram, their two remaining second-round picks who hadn’t agreed to deals yet. Their entire draft class is under contract as rookies report for training camp.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 7:55:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I know most are happy we have changed HC's but it's no slam dunk O'Connell will be good. Zim was completely awful this past season but a rookie HC (whom didn't call plays at his last gig as OC) could make plenty of rookie mistakes. So far the McVay coaching tree has produced a couple real good HC's in Lefleur and Taylor. I sure hope we struck paydirt with O'Connell but as a life long Viking fan I'm toning down my expectations.

Zimmer was such a strange unlikeable beast ... he had reduced down to an absolute caricature of his worst attributes in 2020 and 2021. His bad traits were there even in his good seasons but its like he coached his best game in the NO 2019 playoff game and then snapped completely.

IMO this narrative that he was just horrible period is slightly revisionist. We'll be pretty lucky if KOC ends up with 11-5 and 13-3 records in his first four years, including two NFC north titles and an NFCCG.

If he can do that without Zimmer's up and down inconsistency (and crassness), we'll be in great shape.

2021 was the most unwatchable season in vikings' history, and of course, i watched every phucking game...imo; not having zimmer is going to make an enormous difference....

no prevent defense during two-minute drills is worth one win....

not restraining the offense every game is worth one win....

not having zimmer's inept clock managing is worth one win....

unleashing a new offensive system with the 4th best playmakers is worth one win....

nine home games, and an away game in London - where they love us....

that's 12-5, and there's probably another win somewhere in this positive team-chemistry, player-friendly transition....

If that’s your expectation, great.

I’m not sure what to expect because KOC has not done this before; I’m not sure what to expect because, while I’m confidant the offense will be good, the defense is a huge question mark (as is ST).

Obviously we all want this thing to go right.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 9:21:08 AM

Tom Sykes

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Also, your formula spots the team all of their wins from last year as if those are given … the only changes are wins.

There are reasons to be optimistic … I’m optimistic we’ll be better than last year … I just don’t feel like projecting only one side of the equation.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 10:07:43 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: marty

I have high expectations for KOC, not tempered in the least. He feels like the best hire since Bud Grant.

I feel like he will make mostly good or great decisions. The downfall of the team could be Donatell not being agressive enough, injuries, or maybe Cousins not making a quick enough decision when facing late adversity.

So one of the key KOC decisions could lead to the downfall of the team. Guess that particular decision won't be in you 'mostly good or great' category.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 10:15:43 AM

Bill Johanesen

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while I’m confidant the offense will be good, the defense is a huge question mark (as is ST).

- O should be better
- D, yes absolutely a huge question mark
- ST off the cuff figure they will at least be adequate

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 10:16:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I know most are happy we have changed HC's but it's no slam dunk O'Connell will be good. Zim was completely awful this past season but a rookie HC (whom didn't call plays at his last gig as OC) could make plenty of rookie mistakes. So far the McVay coaching tree has produced a couple real good HC's in Lefleur and Taylor. I sure hope we struck paydirt with O'Connell but as a life long Viking fan I'm toning down my expectations.

Zimmer was such a strange unlikeable beast ... he had reduced down to an absolute caricature of his worst attributes in 2020 and 2021. His bad traits were there even in his good seasons but its like he coached his best game in the NO 2019 playoff game and then snapped completely.

IMO this narrative that he was just horrible period is slightly revisionist. We'll be pretty lucky if KOC ends up with 11-5 and 13-3 records in his first four years, including two NFC north titles and an NFCCG.

If he can do that without Zimmer's up and down inconsistency (and crassness), we'll be in great shape.

2021 was the most unwatchable season in vikings' history, and of course, i watched every phucking game...imo; not having zimmer is going to make an enormous difference....

no prevent defense during two-minute drills is worth one win....

not restraining the offense every game is worth one win....

not having zimmer's inept clock managing is worth one win....

unleashing a new offensive system with the 4th best playmakers is worth one win....

nine home games, and an away game in London - where they love us....

that's 12-5, and there's probably another win somewhere in this positive team-chemistry, player-friendly transition....

If that’s your expectation, great.

I’m not sure what to expect because KOC has not done this before; I’m not sure what to expect because, while I’m confidant the offense will be good, the defense is a huge question mark (as is ST).

Obviously we all want this thing to go right.

I think the defense with a new cordinator will improve as the season rolls on. As bad as Zimmer was in HC situations he was a horrible DEF Cord at the end and Spielman and him always sunk cash into the resigning old vets like Barr, Mac Alexander, and Breeland. When you are 28th in defense you get rid of the old guys. Spielman and Zimmer did the exact opposite. Weird Kwesi still has 9-10 million in cap and signed.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 7/25/2022 10:22:50 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 10:35:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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we signed booth....

Around The NFL@AroundTheNFL
Vikings sign CB Andrew Booth Jr. and OL Ed Ingram to rookie deals, have all of 2022 draft class under contract

Kevin Seifert@SeifertESPN
The Vikings have completed contracts with all of their 2022 draft picks. CB Andrew Booth Jr. and OL Ed Ingram signed their deals today as rookies reported.

VikingNations@VikingNations
Rookie CB Andrew Booth Jr agrees to terms with the #Vikings.
Per: Tomasson
All 10 '22 draft picks are now signed. #SKOL

Ben Goessling@BenGoessling
The #Vikings signed Andrew Booth and Ed Ingram, their two remaining second-round picks who hadn’t agreed to deals yet. Their entire draft class is under contract as rookies report for training camp.

7 or 8 sources would be more convincing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 10:38:00 AM

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Ingram reportedly signed 4 years for 6 million dollar deal..

****ig horrible contract terms…

Was it out of line with the draft picks before and after him?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 10:45:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Ingram reportedly signed 4 years for 6 million dollar deal..

****ig horrible contract terms…

Was it out of line with the draft picks before and after him?

I read that (3) 2nd rounders received 4 year guaranteed money....rest of the agents went after it.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 7/25/2022 10:51:39 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/25/2022 10:48:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Here ya go! I knew deep down KC was no better than avg:

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#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins is rated as the 16th best quarterback for #Madden23.

yeah Madden ratings really prove something.

This website should rate posters for their ability to recognize sarcasm/satire, and then filter posts appropriately, for the posters own protection.

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