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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 1:35:23 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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Justin Jefferson on him and other #Vikings WRs having invited Kirk Cousins to throw to them in South Florida before camp: "He’s a family guy, so he likes to be with his family in the offseason and stuff. I don’t blame him. So during that time, us receivers just got together.”

maybe one of the biggest issues with KC is that he just doesn't fit with the team...never been one of the guys, and add the separation created by a too big for your britches contract, there is too much envy and lack of connection to the team...

not that he can't necessarily get the job done, but KC's isolation is a frustrating hurdle to overcome...

Something tells me Manion didn't fly down to throw with them either...wonder if Mond was in on it


And those are reasons why he doesn't fit. Bottomline, the face of the franchise has to be mentally fresh. When it's 4th and goal in the red zone, he needs to clearly and quickly determine the best pass is one destined for the 3rd row end zone seats.

Jefferson and the receivers can go wallow in South Florida. Go find a Univ. of Miami QB to throw to them.

Jefferson, you've been Zero Dark Lebron moded!

Don't forget throwing that hail mary 30 yards OOB's.

Now he doesn't accept an invite to work out privately with his receivers.

Has it ever dawned on Cousins that actually winning games will fatten his next contract more than avoiding throwing jump ball int's?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 2:27:46 PM   
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“Love Kirk’s mindset. You know, I called him the other day just to talk about a couple things, and that guy goes his zero dark LeBron mode kind of in the offseason, where he just channels out all of the other things,” Adofo-Mensah said.

***

Our GM is weird.

Good!

He has improved the roster and still has 9 Million to spend. That is weird for Vikings fans.

Yeah. That's the weird part.
To me he's a smart guy who wants to appear the smartest. Trying a bit to hard.
You don't think it's a bit strange for him to already think he can pick out the next mega superstar QB?


I think the tea leaves are that it makes his job or any GM the easiest (HOF QB on a rookie contract). KC and Cincy are examples.

He doesn't have a stud QB on a rookie contract so it isn't exactly easy.

His intent hasn't been quoted correctly yet.

I didn't see the quote or know the context and I really don't care. In this matter I find everyone's opinions much more interesting. Funny how we judge people and seem to "get it" so easily
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 3:10:50 PM   
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In one of the articles on it they mentioned they he did get together with them in March.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 5:57:42 PM   
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In one of the articles on it they mentioned they he did get together with them in March.


I think that was for Bible group
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 7:10:39 PM   
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In one of the articles on it they mentioned they he did get together with them in March.


I think that was for Bible group

ha ha!

I think you're right ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 8:45:32 PM   
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Justin Jefferson on him and other #Vikings WRs having invited Kirk Cousins to throw to them in South Florida before camp: "He’s a family guy, so he likes to be with his family in the offseason and stuff. I don’t blame him. So during that time, us receivers just got together.”

maybe one of the biggest issues with KC is that he just doesn't fit with the team...never been one of the guys, and add the separation created by a too big for your britches contract, there is too much envy and lack of connection to the team...

not that he can't necessarily get the job done, but KC's isolation is a frustrating hurdle to overcome...

Something tells me Manion didn't fly down to throw with them either...wonder if Mond was in on it


And those are reasons why he doesn't fit. Bottomline, the face of the franchise has to be mentally fresh. When it's 4th and goal in the red zone, he needs to clearly and quickly determine the best pass is one destined for the 3rd row end zone seats.

Jefferson and the receivers can go wallow in South Florida. Go find a Univ. of Miami QB to throw to them.

Jefferson, you've been Zero Dark Lebron moded!

Don't forget throwing that hail mary 30 yards OOB's.

Now he doesn't accept an invite to work out privately with his receivers.

Has it ever dawned on Cousins that actually winning games will fatten his next contract more than avoiding throwing jump ball int's?

OMG he didn't go in to practice with some teammates during his time off. How horrible. He should be executed immediately.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 11:22:27 PM   
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“Love Kirk’s mindset. You know, I called him the other day just to talk about a couple things, and that guy goes his zero dark LeBron mode kind of in the offseason, where he just channels out all of the other things,” Adofo-Mensah said.

***

Our GM is weird.

Good!

He has improved the roster and still has 9 Million to spend. That is weird for Vikings fans.

Yeah. That's the weird part.
To me he's a smart guy who wants to appear the smartest. Trying a bit to hard.
You don't think it's a bit strange for him to already think he can pick out the next mega superstar QB?


I think the tea leaves are that it makes his job or any GM the easiest (HOF QB on a rookie contract). KC and Cincy are examples.

He doesn't have a stud QB on a rookie contract so it isn't exactly easy.

His intent hasn't been quoted correctly yet.

I didn't see the quote or know the context and I really don't care. In this matter I find everyone's opinions much more interesting. Funny how we judge people and seem to "get it" so easily


I know! Weird how we judge and get people so easily after reading their opinions... much more interesting.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2022 11:24:29 PM   
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JJETS✈️
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Justin Jefferson on him and other #Vikings WRs having invited Kirk Cousins to throw to them in South Florida before camp: "He’s a family guy, so he likes to be with his family in the offseason and stuff. I don’t blame him. So during that time, us receivers just got together.”

maybe one of the biggest issues with KC is that he just doesn't fit with the team...never been one of the guys, and add the separation created by a too big for your britches contract, there is too much envy and lack of connection to the team...

not that he can't necessarily get the job done, but KC's isolation is a frustrating hurdle to overcome...

Something tells me Manion didn't fly down to throw with them either...wonder if Mond was in on it


And those are reasons why he doesn't fit. Bottomline, the face of the franchise has to be mentally fresh. When it's 4th and goal in the red zone, he needs to clearly and quickly determine the best pass is one destined for the 3rd row end zone seats.

Jefferson and the receivers can go wallow in South Florida. Go find a Univ. of Miami QB to throw to them.

Jefferson, you've been Zero Dark Lebron moded!

Don't forget throwing that hail mary 30 yards OOB's.

Now he doesn't accept an invite to work out privately with his receivers.

Has it ever dawned on Cousins that actually winning games will fatten his next contract more than avoiding throwing jump ball int's?

OMG he didn't go in to practice with some teammates during his time off. How horrible. He should be executed immediately.


Easy to see how you and Cousins wouldn't ever be in the lead by example category.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/30/2022 1:49:00 AM   
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i think it's very possible that peterson is going to end training camp as the 3rd best outside corner on the team...and he might not be the best option in the slot either....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/30/2022 3:35:57 AM   
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“Love Kirk’s mindset. You know, I called him the other day just to talk about a couple things, and that guy goes his zero dark LeBron mode kind of in the offseason, where he just channels out all of the other things,” Adofo-Mensah said.

***

Our GM is weird.

Good!

He has improved the roster and still has 9 Million to spend. That is weird for Vikings fans.

Yeah. That's the weird part.
To me he's a smart guy who wants to appear the smartest. Trying a bit to hard.
You don't think it's a bit strange for him to already think he can pick out the next mega superstar QB?


I think the tea leaves are that it makes his job or any GM the easiest (HOF QB on a rookie contract). KC and Cincy are examples.

He doesn't have a stud QB on a rookie contract so it isn't exactly easy.

His intent hasn't been quoted correctly yet.

I didn't see the quote or know the context and I really don't care. In this matter I find everyone's opinions much more interesting. Funny how we judge people and seem to "get it" so easily


I know! Weird how we judge and get people so easily after reading their opinions... much more interesting.

Just found it interesting is all. Nice try, Bill.
I wonder if we could of been friends walking down the same halls as teenagers.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/30/2022 10:51:57 AM   
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I think Dantzler and Peterson will be the starting CBs for awhile.

If Booth shines, and looks too good to keep off the field, I think they'll put him in Sullivan's slot, in the slot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/31/2022 1:01:11 AM   
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I think Dantzler and Peterson will be the starting CBs for awhile.

If Booth shines, and looks too good to keep off the field, I think they'll put him in Sullivan's slot, in the slot.



does peterson still have top-end sideline speed?...i'm sure that booth is much faster than he is...we'll see how things play out, but we might want dantzler as cb#1 and peterson cb#2....

pff has dantzler rate #5 in press coverage over the last two years...17th overall in 2021 - but he ended very strong....

i'm not crowning booth here...i just don't want the best players on the field...it just seems that cb's have a tendency to fall off a cliff when they get older....

peterson was ranked as the #57th cb in 2021....






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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/31/2022 9:05:10 AM   
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I think Dantzler and Peterson will be the starting CBs for awhile.

If Booth shines, and looks too good to keep off the field, I think they'll put him in Sullivan's slot, in the slot.



does peterson still have top-end sideline speed?...i'm sure that booth is much faster than he is...we'll see how things play out, but we might want dantzler as cb#1 and peterson cb#2....

pff has dantzler rate #5 in press coverage over the last two years...17th overall in 2021 - but he ended very strong....

i'm not crowning booth here...i just don't want the best players on the field...it just seems that cb's have a tendency to fall off a cliff when they get older....

peterson was ranked as the #57th cb in 2021....






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Peterson looked ok but only because opposing QB's were busy roasting Breeland and Alexander. I'm afraid Peterson could well be the weak link this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/31/2022 12:12:02 PM   
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I think Dantzler and Peterson will be the starting CBs for awhile.

If Booth shines, and looks too good to keep off the field, I think they'll put him in Sullivan's slot, in the slot.



does peterson still have top-end sideline speed?...i'm sure that booth is much faster than he is...we'll see how things play out, but we might want dantzler as cb#1 and peterson cb#2....

pff has dantzler rate #5 in press coverage over the last two years...17th overall in 2021 - but he ended very strong....

i'm not crowning booth here...i just don't want the best players on the field...it just seems that cb's have a tendency to fall off a cliff when they get older....

peterson was ranked as the #57th cb in 2021....


Honestly. Is that what your eyeballs told you?

I thought Dantzler was not good at all to start ... maybe more from a confidence standpoint ... played better at times as the year went on ...

He looked good in a few sequences but I still don't trust a CB with confidence issues.

I know the Zimmer Demonizers will chime in and blame EVERYTHING on him including concession prices and parking availability but ... IMO Dantzler has a long way to go to establish himself as a legitimate starting CB. Regardless of PFF.

#5 in press coverage? Against physical receivers?

C'mon. Not even.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/31/2022 12:24:18 PM   
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IMO Peterson has neither the quickness nor the long speed anymore to stay with fast WRs down the field, so only when we are facing Treadwell, has he got it covered from start to finish.

He does seem to me to be very reliable, physical, and crafty in the first 15-20 yards ... he may require more help down the field but he definitely has his uses.

If Booth is all that ... get Peterson in there as a nickel dime lb cb s whatever hybrid. He's not that much smaller smaller than our inside LBs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/31/2022 11:18:19 PM   
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This never happens:


JJETS✈️
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Chris Tomasson
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Justin Jefferson on him and other #Vikings WRs having invited Kirk Cousins to throw to them in South Florida before camp: "He’s a family guy, so he likes to be with his family in the offseason and stuff. I don’t blame him. So during that time, us receivers just got together.”

maybe one of the biggest issues with KC is that he just doesn't fit with the team...never been one of the guys, and add the separation created by a too big for your britches contract, there is too much envy and lack of connection to the team...

not that he can't necessarily get the job done, but KC's isolation is a frustrating hurdle to overcome...

Something tells me Manion didn't fly down to throw with them either...wonder if Mond was in on it


And those are reasons why he doesn't fit. Bottomline, the face of the franchise has to be mentally fresh. When it's 4th and goal in the red zone, he needs to clearly and quickly determine the best pass is one destined for the 3rd row end zone seats.

Jefferson and the receivers can go wallow in South Florida. Go find a Univ. of Miami QB to throw to them.

Jefferson, you've been Zero Dark Lebron moded!

Don't forget throwing that hail mary 30 yards OOB's.

Now he doesn't accept an invite to work out privately with his receivers.

Has it ever dawned on Cousins that actually winning games will fatten his next contract more than avoiding throwing jump ball int's?

OMG he didn't go in to practice with some teammates during his time off. How horrible. He should be executed immediately.


I really don't think that is an executable offense.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 8:04:55 AM   
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i think it's very possible that peterson is going to end training camp as the 3rd best outside corner on the team...and he might not be the best option in the slot either....

I'll help you out here.

He won't, no might about it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 11:29:52 AM   
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This never happens:


JJETS✈️
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Taking my words out of proportion…..
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Chris Tomasson
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Justin Jefferson on him and other #Vikings WRs having invited Kirk Cousins to throw to them in South Florida before camp: "He’s a family guy, so he likes to be with his family in the offseason and stuff. I don’t blame him. So during that time, us receivers just got together.”

maybe one of the biggest issues with KC is that he just doesn't fit with the team...never been one of the guys, and add the separation created by a too big for your britches contract, there is too much envy and lack of connection to the team...

not that he can't necessarily get the job done, but KC's isolation is a frustrating hurdle to overcome...

Something tells me Manion didn't fly down to throw with them either...wonder if Mond was in on it


And those are reasons why he doesn't fit. Bottomline, the face of the franchise has to be mentally fresh. When it's 4th and goal in the red zone, he needs to clearly and quickly determine the best pass is one destined for the 3rd row end zone seats.

Jefferson and the receivers can go wallow in South Florida. Go find a Univ. of Miami QB to throw to them.

Jefferson, you've been Zero Dark Lebron moded!

Don't forget throwing that hail mary 30 yards OOB's.

Now he doesn't accept an invite to work out privately with his receivers.

Has it ever dawned on Cousins that actually winning games will fatten his next contract more than avoiding throwing jump ball int's?

OMG he didn't go in to practice with some teammates during his time off. How horrible. He should be executed immediately.


I really don't think that is an executable offense.

Who was it when asked about the execution of the offense said "I'm in favor of it."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 2:02:23 PM   
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Mr. Kraft didn't you get caught in a prostitution sting?

Robert Kraft: nothing, soliciting prostitution

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Jerry Jones: nothing, sexual assault

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 4:16:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

I think Dantzler and Peterson will be the starting CBs for awhile.

If Booth shines, and looks too good to keep off the field, I think they'll put him in Sullivan's slot, in the slot.



does peterson still have top-end sideline speed?...i'm sure that booth is much faster than he is...we'll see how things play out, but we might want dantzler as cb#1 and peterson cb#2....

pff has dantzler rate #5 in press coverage over the last two years...17th overall in 2021 - but he ended very strong....

i'm not crowning booth here...i just don't want the best players on the field...it just seems that cb's have a tendency to fall off a cliff when they get older....

peterson was ranked as the #57th cb in 2021....


Honestly. Is that what your eyeballs told you?

I thought Dantzler was not good at all to start ... maybe more from a confidence standpoint ... played better at times as the year went on ...

He looked good in a few sequences but I still don't trust a CB with confidence issues.

I know the Zimmer Demonizers will chime in and blame EVERYTHING on him including concession prices and parking availability but ... IMO Dantzler has a long way to go to establish himself as a legitimate starting CB. Regardless of PFF.

#5 in press coverage? Against physical receivers?

C'mon. Not even.



i remember two items about dantzler in 2021...he was on the old man's shit list the first half of the season, and he allowed the winning touchdown in the loss to detroit....

zimmer demonizer: yeah, but dantzler is a youngster...zimmer was obviously out of his mind because he continued the play breeland for as long as he did...breeland got burned over and over and contributed mightily to us losing games, maybe even more than zimmer did in a few....

many respectable people and organizations have chimed in about dantzler, and that's where i get information from...dantzler seemed to disappear towards the end of the season so i didn't notice him making bad plays or getting beat much - improvement expressed via lack of attention....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 4:21:33 PM   
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So the discipline for #Browns QB Deshaun Watson, pending a possible NFL appeal:

6-game suspension
No additional fine

Sue L. Robinson’s decision also requires no massages other than (those) directed by club personnel and no adverse involvement with no law enforcement.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 4:27:52 PM   
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Chris Tomasson
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· 13h
Justin Jefferson on him and other #Vikings WRs having invited Kirk Cousins to throw to them in South Florida before camp: "He’s a family guy, so he likes to be with his family in the offseason and stuff. I don’t blame him. So during that time, us receivers just got together.”

maybe one of the biggest issues with KC is that he just doesn't fit with the team...never been one of the guys, and add the separation created by a too big for your britches contract, there is too much envy and lack of connection to the team...

not that he can't necessarily get the job done, but KC's isolation is a frustrating hurdle to overcome...

Something tells me Manion didn't fly down to throw with them either...wonder if Mond was in on it


this might answer your curiosity, but then, maybe not....


Skol Vikings Brasil FA@Vikings_Brazil
#Vikings WR Justin Jefferson esteve em Miami treinando junto com Kellen Mond antes do Draft e agora são companheiros de equipe. JJ diz: “Eu sinto que ele vai ser um bom jogador neste time, ele tem um braço muito forte, eu acho que ele será uma grande adição ao time.''

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 5:49:25 PM   
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Chris Tomasson
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Justin Jefferson on him and other #Vikings WRs having invited Kirk Cousins to throw to them in South Florida before camp: "He’s a family guy, so he likes to be with his family in the offseason and stuff. I don’t blame him. So during that time, us receivers just got together.”

maybe one of the biggest issues with KC is that he just doesn't fit with the team...never been one of the guys, and add the separation created by a too big for your britches contract, there is too much envy and lack of connection to the team...

not that he can't necessarily get the job done, but KC's isolation is a frustrating hurdle to overcome...

Something tells me Manion didn't fly down to throw with them either...wonder if Mond was in on it


this might answer your curiosity, but then, maybe not....


Skol Vikings Brasil FA@Vikings_Brazil
#Vikings WR Justin Jefferson esteve em Miami treinando junto com Kellen Mond antes do Draft e agora são companheiros de equipe. JJ diz: “Eu sinto que ele vai ser um bom jogador neste time, ele tem um braço muito forte, eu acho que ele será uma grande adição ao time.''



Translation:

Vikings WR Justin Jefferson was in Miami training with Kellen Mond before the Draft and are now teammates. JJ says, “I feel like he's going to be a good player on this team, he's got a really strong arm, I think he'll be a great addition to the team.''

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/1/2022 8:54:32 PM   
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I think Dantzler and Peterson will be the starting CBs for awhile.

If Booth shines, and looks too good to keep off the field, I think they'll put him in Sullivan's slot, in the slot.



does peterson still have top-end sideline speed?...i'm sure that booth is much faster than he is...we'll see how things play out, but we might want dantzler as cb#1 and peterson cb#2....

pff has dantzler rate #5 in press coverage over the last two years...17th overall in 2021 - but he ended very strong....

i'm not crowning booth here...i just don't want the best players on the field...it just seems that cb's have a tendency to fall off a cliff when they get older....

peterson was ranked as the #57th cb in 2021....


Honestly. Is that what your eyeballs told you?

I thought Dantzler was not good at all to start ... maybe more from a confidence standpoint ... played better at times as the year went on ...

He looked good in a few sequences but I still don't trust a CB with confidence issues.

I know the Zimmer Demonizers will chime in and blame EVERYTHING on him including concession prices and parking availability but ... IMO Dantzler has a long way to go to establish himself as a legitimate starting CB. Regardless of PFF.

#5 in press coverage? Against physical receivers?

C'mon. Not even.



i remember two items about dantzler in 2021...he was on the old man's shit list the first half of the season, and he allowed the winning touchdown in the loss to detroit....

zimmer demonizer: yeah, but dantzler is a youngster...zimmer was obviously out of his mind because he continued the play breeland for as long as he did...breeland got burned over and over and contributed mightily to us losing games, maybe even more than zimmer did in a few....

many respectable people and organizations have chimed in about dantzler, and that's where i get information from...dantzler seemed to disappear towards the end of the season so i didn't notice him making bad plays or getting beat much - improvement expressed via lack of attention....

I see commentary in here and on vikings-related sites ... I haven't really seen anything on the outside objectively saying that Danzler is a good CB. I hope I'm wrong and he elevates to another level this year.

As far as Zimmer's influence, he had too many issues to list categorically here ... thank God he's gone ... etc etc ... I just think you have to give players credit for something – not just the good.

The commentary coming into the season was that Dantzler had regressed from the previous year in training camp and preseason. Based on him, on Zimmer, on Breeland ... who knows.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/2/2022 4:23:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

I think Dantzler and Peterson will be the starting CBs for awhile.

If Booth shines, and looks too good to keep off the field, I think they'll put him in Sullivan's slot, in the slot.



does peterson still have top-end sideline speed?...i'm sure that booth is much faster than he is...we'll see how things play out, but we might want dantzler as cb#1 and peterson cb#2....

pff has dantzler rate #5 in press coverage over the last two years...17th overall in 2021 - but he ended very strong....

i'm not crowning booth here...i just don't want the best players on the field...it just seems that cb's have a tendency to fall off a cliff when they get older....

peterson was ranked as the #57th cb in 2021....


Honestly. Is that what your eyeballs told you?

I thought Dantzler was not good at all to start ... maybe more from a confidence standpoint ... played better at times as the year went on ...

He looked good in a few sequences but I still don't trust a CB with confidence issues.

I know the Zimmer Demonizers will chime in and blame EVERYTHING on him including concession prices and parking availability but ... IMO Dantzler has a long way to go to establish himself as a legitimate starting CB. Regardless of PFF.

#5 in press coverage? Against physical receivers?

C'mon. Not even.



i remember two items about dantzler in 2021...he was on the old man's shit list the first half of the season, and he allowed the winning touchdown in the loss to detroit....

zimmer demonizer: yeah, but dantzler is a youngster...zimmer was obviously out of his mind because he continued the play breeland for as long as he did...breeland got burned over and over and contributed mightily to us losing games, maybe even more than zimmer did in a few....

many respectable people and organizations have chimed in about dantzler, and that's where i get information from...dantzler seemed to disappear towards the end of the season so i didn't notice him making bad plays or getting beat much - improvement expressed via lack of attention....

I see commentary in here and on vikings-related sites ... I haven't really seen anything on the outside objectively saying that Danzler is a good CB. I hope I'm wrong and he elevates to another level this year.

As far as Zimmer's influence, he had too many issues to list categorically here ... thank God he's gone ... etc etc ... I just think you have to give players credit for something – not just the good.

The commentary coming into the season was that Dantzler had regressed from the previous year in training camp and preseason. Based on him, on Zimmer, on Breeland ... who knows.


remember how you felt (understandably so) when people were giving osborn some praise in training camp last summer?...this seems much more probable....


pff's 10 breakout candidates....

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-10-breakout-candidates-2022-nfl-season



br's breakouts....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10039649-every-nfl-teams-2022-breakout-player-candidate



sports illustrated....

Dantzler finished last year with a solid 73.9 PFF grade, including an elite 90.9 grade as a run defender. He gave up fewer catches, yards, and touchdowns on a similar number of targets, doubled his total pass breakups, and cut his missed tackles in half.



zonecoverage....

When combining Dantzler’s production in the eight games where he played 90% or more snaps, his numbers are as follows:

55 targets
31 receptions
265 yards
3 touchdowns
1 interception
4.8 yards/target (Dantzler led NFL corners with 4.7 yards/target on the year)
79.7 passer rating when targeted

< Message edited by ratoppenheimer -- 8/2/2022 5:05:49 AM >


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