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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2021 1:01:28 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Also, the regime could eventually convince the WRs it's not just a QB for QB swap, but the difference in cap $ between extending Cousins - knowing this regime it would be at least $40 million per and fully guaranteed - and the cap of the new QB.

That delta can help bring in a quality player or two. Like maybe blockers who provide more time for the QB to get you (WRs) the ball.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2021 1:11:22 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Cap Numbers

2023
Smith - 17.2
Thielen - 18
Cook - 14
Pierce - 11.5

2024
Smith - 17.2
Thielen - 18.5
Cook - 15.6

2025
Smith - 20
Cook - 14.5

Harrison has to have pics of the Wilfs and sheep. Has to.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2021 1:51:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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Kirk Cousins lined up under right guard before a crucial fourth-down play on the goal line, forcing the Vikings to take a timeout before an incompletion...

10,000 lakes.
1 sinking ship.

The whole play was a cluster. WRs were changing sides, running into each other.

If it were Kansas City, at least one of the three plays the tight end would have lined up at QB, handing off to the extra tackle that checked in, who throws a shovel pass to Tyreek Hill for a TD. We ran the ball twice up the middle and threw to our mediocre tight end, who had no separation. In a nutshell, that's what I've come to expect from this coaching staff. They have zero imagination.

They ran a flea flicker and a double pass play both with good success.
They have some imagination... they just tighten up at exactly the time the need to leave it all on the field.

Coaching and QB go hand in hand in that regard.

I just don't personally think you'll get to the big game with either.

Bingo. The two straight ahead rushes were just wasted opportunities. If the T.O.P. were reversed and we were gashing the 49ers Dline, then try to pound it in. We needed to throw the ball 4 times with the skill players we have.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2021 1:59:02 PM

David F.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

Kirk Cousins lined up under right guard before a crucial fourth-down play on the goal line, forcing the Vikings to take a timeout before an incompletion...

10,000 lakes.
1 sinking ship.

The whole play was a cluster. WRs were changing sides, running into each other.

If it were Kansas City, at least one of the three plays the tight end would have lined up at QB, handing off to the extra tackle that checked in, who throws a shovel pass to Tyreek Hill for a TD. We ran the ball twice up the middle and threw to our mediocre tight end, who had no separation. In a nutshell, that's what I've come to expect from this coaching staff. They have zero imagination.

They ran a flea flicker and a double pass play both with good success.
They have some imagination... they just tighten up at exactly the time the need to leave it all on the field.

Coaching and QB go hand in hand in that regard.

I just don't personally think you'll get to the big game with either.

Bingo. The two straight ahead rushes were just wasted opportunities. If the T.O.P. were reversed and we were gashing the 49ers Dline, then try to pound it in. We needed to throw the ball 4 times with the skill players we have.

Yikes. Instead we ran Mattison twice, Threw once to Conklin and threw it a second time to the hot dog salesman in section 142.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2021 5:51:28 PM

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If the Vikings got rid of Cousins who do you think is starting for them in 2022? Do you think Jefferson and Thielen are going to be quiet with a total rebuild and a rookie?

I guess if you think Garoppolo or Mariotta is possible and an improvement that might work.

I would be a fan of a new HC and see if they can push Cousins buttons better. Don't extend Cousins and let next year be the end of it.

Don't see how any regime gets rid of Cousins before 2022, because it's about getting rid of his contract. As for 'total rebuild', this regime, like most, will never do that.

Button pushing? Cousins might respond to a religious zealot who convinces him the defenses are direct descendants of those who persecuted Jesus. Beyond that, he is who he is.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2021 7:51:31 PM

Bill Jandro

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Any news on Darrisaw?

To me he's way more important than Cook

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2021 8:19:36 PM

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Updated NFC playoff odds per 538:

Vikings 49%
Football team 44%
Saints 24%
Eagles 22%

3-0 sweep of GB - other than the SB what could be better?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 10:28:35 AM

David Levine

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#Vikings Bashaud Breeland was holding down the last spot in Pro Football Focus ranking of cornerbacks early this season but he's now No. 110 of 118. But challenging for the last spot now is #Vikings Mackensie Alexander, ranked No. 117 out of 118.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 10:47:18 AM

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson

#Vikings Bashaud Breeland was holding down the last spot in Pro Football Focus ranking of cornerbacks early this season but he's now No. 110 of 118. But challenging for the last spot now is #Vikings Mackensie Alexander, ranked No. 117 out of 118.

Why is it always our guys?

I just looked it up. PFF has Dantzler at #65 and Patrick Peterson at #88 - both of which are respectable. Why are our coaches so averse to playing Dantzler?

< Message edited by David F. -- 12/1/2021 10:54:00 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 11:34:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson

#Vikings Bashaud Breeland was holding down the last spot in Pro Football Focus ranking of cornerbacks early this season but he's now No. 110 of 118. But challenging for the last spot now is #Vikings Mackensie Alexander, ranked No. 117 out of 118.

Why is it always our guys?

I just looked it up. PFF has Dantzler at #65 and Patrick Peterson at #88 - both of which are respectable. Why are our coaches so averse to playing Dantzler?

Dantzler is a little thin and struggles on run support....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 11:38:02 AM 1 votes

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson

Vikings safety Harrison Smith said he has not changed his mind regarding vaccination He remains unvaccinated

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 11:41:46 AM 1 votes

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson

Vikings safety Harrison Smith said he has not changed his mind regarding vaccination He remains unvaccinated

We did fine without him. He costs too much money, bench his ass.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 12:07:06 PM

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Well,
W may have the middle of our DLine back this week. Michael Pierce has been designated for return and Dalvin Tomlinson mayy be reinstated from the Covid List. Which is good against a team that will NEED to run the ball to have aa chance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 12:23:35 PM

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Well,
W may have the middle of our DLine back this week. Michael Pierce has been designated for return and Dalvin Tomlinson mayy be reinstated from the Covid List. Which is good against a team that will NEED to run the ball to have aa chance.

Plus, I thought Lynch and Watts, even new guy(Smith) played well. I thought they did their job considering how many minutes they were on the field. Back 7 couldn't tackle to save their lives.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 2:23:11 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

Well,
W may have the middle of our DLine back this week. Michael Pierce has been designated for return and Dalvin Tomlinson mayy be reinstated from the Covid List. Which is good against a team that will NEED to run the ball to have aa chance.

Plus, I thought Lynch and Watts, even new guy(Smith) played well. I thought they did their job considering how many minutes they were on the field. Back 7 couldn't tackle to save their lives.

You mean Bynum I think Mark.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 2:26:04 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Cap Numbers

2023
Smith - 17.2
Thielen - 18
Cook - 14
Pierce - 11.5

2024
Smith - 17.2
Thielen - 18.5
Cook - 15.6

2025
Smith - 20
Cook - 14.5

Harrison has to have pics of the Wilfs and sheep. Has to.

Dead cap looks better than the full fledge numbers:

22: Hunter and Smith 7.5, Thielen 11, Cook 9, Pierce 4

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 2:34:56 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Any news on Darrisaw?

To me he's way more important than Cook

Chris Tomasson@christomasson

#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said Christian Darrisaw has an ankle injury and his status remains to be seen for Sunday's game at Detroit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 4:06:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

Well,
W may have the middle of our DLine back this week. Michael Pierce has been designated for return and Dalvin Tomlinson mayy be reinstated from the Covid List. Which is good against a team that will NEED to run the ball to have aa chance.

Plus, I thought Lynch and Watts, even new guy(Smith) played well. I thought they did their job considering how many minutes they were on the field. Back 7 couldn't tackle to save their lives.

You mean Bynum I think Mark.

I think he was talking about TJ Smith

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 7:14:26 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson

#Vikings Bashaud Breeland was holding down the last spot in Pro Football Focus ranking of cornerbacks early this season but he's now No. 110 of 118. But challenging for the last spot now is #Vikings Mackensie Alexander, ranked No. 117 out of 118.

Why is it always our guys?

I just looked it up. PFF has Dantzler at #65 and Patrick Peterson at #88 - both of which are respectable. Why are our coaches so averse to playing Dantzler?

How is #88 respectable?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 7:18:59 PM

David F.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson

#Vikings Bashaud Breeland was holding down the last spot in Pro Football Focus ranking of cornerbacks early this season but he's now No. 110 of 118. But challenging for the last spot now is #Vikings Mackensie Alexander, ranked No. 117 out of 118.

Why is it always our guys?

I just looked it up. PFF has Dantzler at #65 and Patrick Peterson at #88 - both of which are respectable. Why are our coaches so averse to playing Dantzler?

How is #88 respectable?

I figure because a team, for the most part, has three starting CBs so if you can be in the top 96 at least you belong on the field.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2021 7:20:31 PM

David F.

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It's always the Vikings...

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The Vikings are the 22nd team in history to have a 7+ point lead in each of their first 11 games of a season. None of the previous 21 were below .500 at that point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2021 6:42:51 AM

Bill Jandro

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It's always the Vikings...

Gil Brandt
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The Vikings are the 22nd team in history to have a 7+ point lead in each of their first 11 games of a season. None of the previous 21 were below .500 at that point.

Definitely speaks poor coaching/clock mgnt ect

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2021 10:13:51 AM

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Olabisi Johnson put on the Covid list.

Whatever shall we do without him?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2021 10:25:43 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Following the Vikings year round is kind of like the circle of life from The Lion King, of course without the sun-filled happy ending.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2021 2:29:22 PM

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Mark Craig@markcraignfl

Tomlinson off COVID list and practicing. Barr back practicing. Darrisaw, Bynum and obviously Cook not practicing. Pierce, who is designated for return this week, practicing for the second day in a row.

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