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What about the Patriots defensive coordinator as the Vikings next HC ? Not even sure who it is, is it Covington ?

The Patriots have many times gotten some great defense from December onward, maybe this guy is learning a few things from Belichick ?

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Go Bengals!

For those of us not smart enough to give up on this dumb team.

Right with you Todd. We never learn.

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I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

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Andy Reed has been a coach since 1999. Never won a damned thing until he got Patrick Mahomes. He won one NFC title in 2004.

Coaching does matter, but getting difference-makers is the key to winning the big prize.

Is Andy Reed a good coach? Absolutely. He's got a proven track record and he's a risk-taker, which I consider a great quality.

Many may not consider Bill Belichick a risk-taker because of his style of play. I would completely disagree. When you play Troy Brown at corner, you are the ultimate risk-taker. He cemented his place as the greatest coach of all time, IMO, when he did that. A genius move by a guy that thinks outside the box.

Best move in the Monday Night game...going for two after they scored their first touchdown. It completely changed the mindset of the game. Instead of being up one score, it was like they were almost up two. IMO, it completely f*cked with the Bills' minds from that point forward. The guy is a complete witch, and can afford to be because his teams are completely prepared.

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I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

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I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

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I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

I knew we were terrible in both, but didn't know we were 30th ranked in both. Amazing our record isn't worse.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

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I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yes the negative bias is on overload ... and yes it is an extra short leash for Cousins, given how well he plays at times.

Goes with the frustration.

However, expecting a bigger impact on winning games from Cousins (after 10 seasons) is also bias. That expectation is a failure to recognize the negative impact that Cousins himself contributes to the bottom line in every loss over his 10 seasons. It is often buried under some gaudy stats so I get why it is overlooked. But ten years ...

'If only he had a better OL or defense or HC or OC' ... there is always a counterpoint for Cousins criticism ... 'a missed field goal or fumble or defense that folds down the stretch' ... yes, but after four yrs with us and 6 yrs with WSH, everybody and their mother has had plenty of time to gauge his strengths and weaknesses as a starting NFL QB.

'Gestalt' is 'an organized whole [winning percentage] that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts [individual stats]'. The stats just don't say it with Cousins ... unless you want them too. Which is a bias.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yes the negative bias is on overload ... and yes it is an extra short leash for Cousins, given how well he plays at times.

Goes with the frustration.

However, expecting a bigger impact on winning games from Cousins (after 10 seasons) is also bias. That expectation is a failure to recognize the negative impact that Cousins himself contributes to the bottom line in every loss over his 10 seasons. It is often buried under some gaudy stats so I get why it is overlooked. But ten years ...

'If only he had a better OL or defense or HC or OC' ... there is always a counterpoint for Cousins criticism ... 'a missed field goal or fumble or defense that folds down the stretch' ... yes, but after four yrs with us and 6 yrs with WSH, everybody and their mother has had plenty of time to gauge his strengths and weaknesses as a starting NFL QB.

'Gestalt' is 'an organized whole [winning percentage] that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts [individual stats]'. The stats just don't say it with Cousins ... unless you want them too. Which is a bias.

That's good stuff. I like it.
But who's going to give us a better chance next year?
Bias works both ways, I agree. But boy, negative bias is really hard to beat on a message board debate, ain't it?

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yet lost in all the bias overload is Cousins benefits from arguably the best WR duo in football and conservatively a top 5 RB.

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vikings have a 32% chance of making the playoffs - our main competition is Washington and Philidelphia....

Washington...34%
Philidelphia....28%

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yet lost in all the bias overload is Cousins benefits from arguably the best WR duo in football and conservatively a top 5 RB.

Yeah I really don't know where to stop or begin with analyzing Kirk Cousins. In 2018 and 2019 he had a great defense and we went 8-7-1 and 10-6. Now we have a poor defense yet we still had elite offensive weapons throughout and we're 6-7. Our special teams are better now. It just seems like our range for records is between just under .500 to just over .500. We could accomplish that with a lot less invested at QB.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yet lost in all the bias overload is Cousins benefits from arguably the best WR duo in football and conservatively a top 5 RB.

Yeah I really don't know where to stop or begin with analyzing Kirk Cousins. In 2018 and 2019 he had a great defense and we went 8-7-1 and 10-6. Now we have a poor defense yet we still had elite offensive weapons throughout and we're 6-7. Our special teams are better now. It just seems like our range for records is between just under .500 to just over .500. We could accomplish that with a lot less invested at QB.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yes the negative bias is on overload ... and yes it is an extra short leash for Cousins, given how well he plays at times.

Goes with the frustration.

However, expecting a bigger impact on winning games from Cousins (after 10 seasons) is also bias. That expectation is a failure to recognize the negative impact that Cousins himself contributes to the bottom line in every loss over his 10 seasons. It is often buried under some gaudy stats so I get why it is overlooked. But ten years ...

'If only he had a better OL or defense or HC or OC' ... there is always a counterpoint for Cousins criticism ... 'a missed field goal or fumble or defense that folds down the stretch' ... yes, but after four yrs with us and 6 yrs with WSH, everybody and their mother has had plenty of time to gauge his strengths and weaknesses as a starting NFL QB.

'Gestalt' is 'an organized whole [winning percentage] that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts [individual stats]'. The stats just don't say it with Cousins ... unless you want them too. Which is a bias.

That's good stuff. I like it.
But who's going to give us a better chance next year?
Bias works both ways, I agree. But boy, negative bias is really hard to beat on a message board debate, ain't it?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yet lost in all the bias overload is Cousins benefits from arguably the best WR duo in football and conservatively a top 5 RB.

Yeah I really don't know where to stop or begin with analyzing Kirk Cousins. In 2018 and 2019 he had a great defense and we went 8-7-1 and 10-6. Now we have a poor defense yet we still had elite offensive weapons throughout and we're 6-7. Our special teams are better now. It just seems like our range for records is between just under .500 to just over .500. We could accomplish that with a lot less invested at QB.

I agree. Would our W-L records be that much different if we had kept Keenum? Complete hindsight, for sure, but I'm not sure they would be.

I had no issue with over-paying Cousins initially just to take the chance ... now its time to move on based on his performance / what he gives you AND the 45M next year is outrageous, criminal.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

30th ranked Defense and Cousins has the 30th ranked blocking protecting him....you think a rookie would be better than 6-7 right now?

Exactly.
Im not in on all this Cousins has to go ... talk. That's like giving up on next year all ready. The bias is on overload

Yet lost in all the bias overload is Cousins benefits from arguably the best WR duo in football and conservatively a top 5 RB.

Yeah I really don't know where to stop or begin with analyzing Kirk Cousins. In 2018 and 2019 he had a great defense and we went 8-7-1 and 10-6. Now we have a poor defense yet we still had elite offensive weapons throughout and we're 6-7. Our special teams are better now. It just seems like our range for records is between just under .500 to just over .500. We could accomplish that with a lot less invested at QB.

I agree. Would our W-L records be that much different if we had kept Keenum? Complete hindsight, for sure, but I'm not sure they would be.

I had no issue with over-paying Cousins initially just to take the chance ... now its time to move on based on his performance / what he gives you AND the 45M next year is outrageous, criminal.

Me either. I was all for it. I was not, however, for the extension we gave him.

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This year Cousins' cap hit is on par with Mahommes, Dak, and Josh Allen... combined! But for those that want to crown 'em, then crown his ass