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ORIGINAL: marty

IF Pederson gets the Vikings a SB win, I won't care if they let him go 2 years later.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: marty

IF Pederson gets the Vikings a SB win, I won't care if they let him go 2 years later.

You could say that about any coach.

Pederson alienated his own players on his way out the door.

Brad Childress got us to the NFCCG and we would have won it if not for 1. 5 turnovers, 2. 12 men in the huddle, 3. Bountygate

I don't want him back.

Pederson's departure from Philly is beyond troublesome. I want none of that guy.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

As it sinks in the season is over... Its time to see Kellen Mond play the Pack and Bears with all the starters and get some tape on the kid in real game time play.

Kirk Cousins was brought in as the final piece to get us over top... NO WAY IN HELL he should be around going forward, he has set us back far enough with his cap hell and lackluster leadership. GOODBYE!

Basically unless you can trade him you are going to have to make it one more year.....

He is due 35M(base salary).

With a 3 or 4 year extension, another team could easily get his cap number down in the low 20s.

Probably wishful thinking on my part.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Here's an article covering GM candidates for next season.

I believe you hire your GM first and let him hire the HC. Let the coach and GM decide on the QB.

I really like both the guys from Indy and the one from KC


https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-gm-candidates-watch-nflwk-15-2021-2022/

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Here's an article covering GM candidates for next season.

I believe you hire your GM first and let him hire the HC. Let the coach and GM decide on the QB.

I really like both the guys from Indy and the one from KC


https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-gm-candidates-watch-nflwk-15-2021-2022/

None of this means anything until the Wilfs rub their three remaining brain cells together and fire the current regime.

I seriously do not know what they are waiting for.

Other than not wanting to leave the last two games in the hands of some assistant coach like Kubiak or Zimmer Jr.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Here's an article covering GM candidates for next season.

I believe you hire your GM first and let him hire the HC. Let the coach and GM decide on the QB.

I really like both the guys from Indy and the one from KC


https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-gm-candidates-watch-nflwk-15-2021-2022/

None of this means anything until the Wilfs rub their three remaining brain cells together and fire the current regime.

I seriously do not know what they are waiting for.

Other than not wanting to leave the last two games in the hands of some assistant coach like Kubiak or Zimmer Jr.

There is no real point in doing it right now.

Offseason will be exactly the same if they fire them today or right after the final game.

The downside to firing them now is we're so Jekyll and Hyde that the team could finish strong with a lame duck Interim coach and we end up hiring him full time...

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Cousins doesn't seem to be our biggest problem this season. You could do way worse than his 30 TD 7 INT 3,971 YDs stat line. It's certainly not that I think he is dynamic by any stretch of the imagination; and yes, we are definitely overpaying him as a franchise QB difference maker that is clutch during crunch time. He has been durable, however, and not missed much time due to injury. All you have to do is look around the league to see what happens when you don't have a competent QB to lead; the Saints, Lions, Bears, Jets, Giants, and Texans (and Falcons if you're being honest) are good examples.

This Vikings squad is truly frustrating. We have lost so many close games and that is the real problem. Cousins has managed to keep us competitive, but he just doesn't have that extra gear that kicks in when you need it. His stat lines over the past four to five years are pretty much the same. He doesn't kill your chances,. I just don't know if he's the kind of guy who is dynamic enough to follow as a teammate and be all in. Because of that, I understand the demand for a QB that might not compile as many yards and TD's, but will when win it matters most. His pocket presence has always been my concern. He doesn't have enough mobility to really matter and opposing defenses know that they typically don't have to account for improvised scrambling. I do admire his honesty about not being vaccinated for the season from the very beginning. It at least shows more integrity in taking media criticism than a turd like Aaron Rodgers. All that being said, I want us to move on from Cousins. The cap hit is too big for us to trade or cut him, so I would recommend taking our medicine for one more year and then parting ways.

I like the idea of easing Mond in at the end of this season, as well as next year. Then sign a cheap veteran who might not have stats like Cousins, but is somewhat comparable and a hell of a lot less expensive. Last, it's time to move on from Zimmer. It's simply a failed venture. Much like Cousins, he keeps you just competitive enough to have hope, but can't finish and slams the door on those same hopes. Offer Zim the defensive coordinator position (knowing he probably won't accept the humiliation of a demotion) and then call it a day. As for the next HC, who the heck knows? I'm okay w/ keeping Spielman around. You could do better, but you could also do a heck of a lot worse.

Ending the strange nepotism of this coaching staff would be a step in the right direction. There's too big of a chance that promotions aren't deserved; (see Adam Zimmer, Klint Kubiak, Scott Turner, etc.). Personally, I like the idea of making a run at Cowboys OC Kellen Moore as HC and then finding a veteran DC who can gel like the Cowboys have.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Cousins doesn't seem to be our biggest problem this season. You could do way worse than his 30 TD 7 INT 3,971 YDs stat line. It's certainly not that I think he is dynamic by any stretch of the imagination; and yes, we are definitely overpaying him as a franchise QB difference maker that is clutch during crunch time. He has been durable, however, and not missed much time due to injury. All you have to do is look around the league to see what happens when you don't have a competent QB to lead; the Saints, Lions, Bears, Jets, Giants, and Texans (and Falcons if you're being honest) are good examples.

This Vikings squad is truly frustrating. We have lost so many close games and that is the real problem. Cousins has managed to keep us competitive, but he just doesn't have that extra gear that kicks in when you need it. His stat lines over the past four to five years are pretty much the same. He doesn't kill your chances,. I just don't know if he's the kind of guy who is dynamic enough to follow as a teammate and be all in. Because of that, I understand the demand for a QB that might not compile as many yards and TD's, but will when win it matters most. His pocket presence has always been my concern. He doesn't have enough mobility to really matter and opposing defenses know that they typically don't have to account for improvised scrambling. I do admire his honesty about not being vaccinated for the season from the very beginning. It at least shows more integrity in taking media criticism than a turd like Aaron Rodgers. All that being said, I want us to move on from Cousins. The cap hit is too big for us to trade or cut him, so I would recommend taking our medicine for one more year and then parting ways.

I like the idea of easing Mond in at the end of this season, as well as next year. Then sign a cheap veteran who might not have stats like Cousins, but is somewhat comparable and a hell of a lot less expensive. Last, it's time to move on from Zimmer. It's simply a failed venture. Much like Cousins, he keeps you just competitive enough to have hope, but can't finish and slams the door on those same hopes. Offer Zim the defensive coordinator position (knowing he probably won't accept the humiliation of a demotion) and then call it a day. As for the next HC, who the heck knows? I'm okay w/ keeping Spielman around. You could do better, but you could also do a heck of a lot worse.

Ending the strange nepotism of this coaching staff would be a step in the right direction. There's too big of a chance that promotions aren't deserved; (see Adam Zimmer, Klint Kubiak, Scott Turner, etc.). Personally, I like the idea of making a run at Cowboys OC Kellen Moore as HC and then finding a veteran DC who can gel like the Cowboys have.

Cousins and Zim are a match made in heaven.

Cousins will do exactly what is asked of him and never deviate the plan or call. And Zim can't stand any kind of freelancing. I truly believe he'd rather lose being 100% in control than win with players "going cowboy".

If you want to always finish around .500, they're your men.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

As it sinks in the season is over... Its time to see Kellen Mond play the Pack and Bears with all the starters and get some tape on the kid in real game time play.

Kirk Cousins was brought in as the final piece to get us over top... NO WAY IN HELL he should be around going forward, he has set us back far enough with his cap hell and lackluster leadership. GOODBYE!

Basically unless you can trade him you are going to have to make it one more year.....

He is due 35M(base salary).

With a 3 or 4 year extension, another team could easily get his cap number down in the low 20s.

Probably wishful thinking on my part.

it's $35m salary...we can pay $10m of that and bring the new teams number down to $25m - that would still save us a lot of cap space... trade cook to a contender that needs a rb...maybe redo a couple of existing deals...i'd keep everyone else for another season....

we should be able to get a couple of picks in the first two rounds for cousins/cook....

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Cousins doesn't seem to be our biggest problem this season. You could do way worse than his 30 TD 7 INT 3,971 YDs stat line. It's certainly not that I think he is dynamic by any stretch of the imagination; and yes, we are definitely overpaying him as a franchise QB difference maker that is clutch during crunch time. He has been durable, however, and not missed much time due to injury. All you have to do is look around the league to see what happens when you don't have a competent QB to lead; the Saints, Lions, Bears, Jets, Giants, and Texans (and Falcons if you're being honest) are good examples.

This Vikings squad is truly frustrating. We have lost so many close games and that is the real problem. Cousins has managed to keep us competitive, but he just doesn't have that extra gear that kicks in when you need it. His stat lines over the past four to five years are pretty much the same. He doesn't kill your chances,. I just don't know if he's the kind of guy who is dynamic enough to follow as a teammate and be all in. Because of that, I understand the demand for a QB that might not compile as many yards and TD's, but will when win it matters most. His pocket presence has always been my concern. He doesn't have enough mobility to really matter and opposing defenses know that they typically don't have to account for improvised scrambling. I do admire his honesty about not being vaccinated for the season from the very beginning. It at least shows more integrity in taking media criticism than a turd like Aaron Rodgers. All that being said, I want us to move on from Cousins. The cap hit is too big for us to trade or cut him, so I would recommend taking our medicine for one more year and then parting ways.

I like the idea of easing Mond in at the end of this season, as well as next year. Then sign a cheap veteran who might not have stats like Cousins, but is somewhat comparable and a hell of a lot less expensive. Last, it's time to move on from Zimmer. It's simply a failed venture. Much like Cousins, he keeps you just competitive enough to have hope, but can't finish and slams the door on those same hopes. Offer Zim the defensive coordinator position (knowing he probably won't accept the humiliation of a demotion) and then call it a day. As for the next HC, who the heck knows? I'm okay w/ keeping Spielman around. You could do better, but you could also do a heck of a lot worse.

Ending the strange nepotism of this coaching staff would be a step in the right direction. There's too big of a chance that promotions aren't deserved; (see Adam Zimmer, Klint Kubiak, Scott Turner, etc.). Personally, I like the idea of making a run at Cowboys OC Kellen Moore as HC and then finding a veteran DC who can gel like the Cowboys have.

Cousins and Zim are a match made in heaven.

Cousins will do exactly what is asked of him and never deviate the plan or call. And Zim can't stand any kind of freelancing. I truly believe he'd rather lose being 100% in control than win with players "going cowboy".

If you want to always finish around .500, they're your men.

Zimm is an absolute control freak and Kirk is a mindless follower and yes man... They are perfect match for one another but neither can put a team on their shoulders, inspire a team to get behind them and win, Neither are true leaders,,,

Do agree we need a longer look at Kellen Moore and what he has done with Dallas as an OC.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

It isn't time to blow up the team...it is time to change coaches though.

I would keep Spielman....just look at the mid to late round talent playing at RB and WR. If it was up to me I would go after Jim Caldwell, Doug Pederson, or Bienemy.

Who hired Zimmer? Who extended Kirk in competition with no one? Who extended Barr, Rudy, Smith with high guarantees at the tail end of their careers? Who overpays the wrong positions (RB, S, LB) while having the worst IOL in the league?

Spielman isn't horrible, but he's not that good either. Every team finds guys. How many get nothing out of the first round for years in a row, ending only when JJ falls into his lap?

Spielman has to go with the rest. The Wilfs need to break from their middling start of ownership by adapting to the way the league is now, not continuing with 1950s Era football.

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Cousins doesn't seem to be our biggest problem this season. You could do way worse than his 30 TD 7 INT 3,971 YDs stat line. It's certainly not that I think he is dynamic by any stretch of the imagination; and yes, we are definitely overpaying him as a franchise QB difference maker that is clutch during crunch time. He has been durable, however, and not missed much time due to injury. All you have to do is look around the league to see what happens when you don't have a competent QB to lead; the Saints, Lions, Bears, Jets, Giants, and Texans (and Falcons if you're being honest) are good examples.

This Vikings squad is truly frustrating. We have lost so many close games and that is the real problem. Cousins has managed to keep us competitive, but he just doesn't have that extra gear that kicks in when you need it. His stat lines over the past four to five years are pretty much the same. He doesn't kill your chances,. I just don't know if he's the kind of guy who is dynamic enough to follow as a teammate and be all in. Because of that, I understand the demand for a QB that might not compile as many yards and TD's, but will when win it matters most. His pocket presence has always been my concern. He doesn't have enough mobility to really matter and opposing defenses know that they typically don't have to account for improvised scrambling. I do admire his honesty about not being vaccinated for the season from the very beginning. It at least shows more integrity in taking media criticism than a turd like Aaron Rodgers. All that being said, I want us to move on from Cousins. The cap hit is too big for us to trade or cut him, so I would recommend taking our medicine for one more year and then parting ways.

I like the idea of easing Mond in at the end of this season, as well as next year. Then sign a cheap veteran who might not have stats like Cousins, but is somewhat comparable and a hell of a lot less expensive. Last, it's time to move on from Zimmer. It's simply a failed venture. Much like Cousins, he keeps you just competitive enough to have hope, but can't finish and slams the door on those same hopes. Offer Zim the defensive coordinator position (knowing he probably won't accept the humiliation of a demotion) and then call it a day. As for the next HC, who the heck knows? I'm okay w/ keeping Spielman around. You could do better, but you could also do a heck of a lot worse.

Ending the strange nepotism of this coaching staff would be a step in the right direction. There's too big of a chance that promotions aren't deserved; (see Adam Zimmer, Klint Kubiak, Scott Turner, etc.). Personally, I like the idea of making a run at Cowboys OC Kellen Moore as HC and then finding a veteran DC who can gel like the Cowboys have.

Cousins and Zim are a match made in heaven.

Cousins will do exactly what is asked of him and never deviate the plan or call. And Zim can't stand any kind of freelancing. I truly believe he'd rather lose being 100% in control than win with players "going cowboy".

If you want to always finish around .500, they're your men.

Zimm is an absolute control freak and Kirk is a mindless follower and yes man... They are perfect match for one another but neither can put a team on their shoulders, inspire a team to get behind them and win, Neither are true leaders,,,

Do agree we need a longer look at Kellen Moore and what he has done with Dallas as an OC.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

It isn't time to blow up the team...it is time to change coaches though.

I would keep Spielman....just look at the mid to late round talent playing at RB and WR. If it was up to me I would go after Jim Caldwell, Doug Pederson, or Bienemy.

Who hired Zimmer? Who extended Kirk in competition with no one? Who extended Barr, Rudy, Smith with high guarantees at the tail end of their careers? Who overpays the wrong positions (RB, S, LB) while having the worst IOL in the league?

Spielman isn't horrible, but he's not that good either. Every team finds guys. How many get nothing out of the first round for years in a row, ending only when JJ falls into his lap?

Spielman has to go with the rest. The Wilfs need to break from their middling start of ownership by adapting to the way the league is now, not continuing with 1950s Era football.

Zimmer guys were extended...Smith, Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, Rhodes...Rudolph, Thielen, and Cousins I would put on Spielman but look what 15 million gave back....Tomlinson, Vigil, Cole, Richardson, and Patrick Peterson...where would we have been this year w/o them?

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Cousins doesn't seem to be our biggest problem this season. You could do way worse than his 30 TD 7 INT 3,971 YDs stat line. It's certainly not that I think he is dynamic by any stretch of the imagination; and yes, we are definitely overpaying him as a franchise QB difference maker that is clutch during crunch time. He has been durable, however, and not missed much time due to injury. All you have to do is look around the league to see what happens when you don't have a competent QB to lead; the Saints, Lions, Bears, Jets, Giants, and Texans (and Falcons if you're being honest) are good examples.

This Vikings squad is truly frustrating. We have lost so many close games and that is the real problem. Cousins has managed to keep us competitive, but he just doesn't have that extra gear that kicks in when you need it. His stat lines over the past four to five years are pretty much the same. He doesn't kill your chances,. I just don't know if he's the kind of guy who is dynamic enough to follow as a teammate and be all in. Because of that, I understand the demand for a QB that might not compile as many yards and TD's, but will when win it matters most. His pocket presence has always been my concern. He doesn't have enough mobility to really matter and opposing defenses know that they typically don't have to account for improvised scrambling. I do admire his honesty about not being vaccinated for the season from the very beginning. It at least shows more integrity in taking media criticism than a turd like Aaron Rodgers. All that being said, I want us to move on from Cousins. The cap hit is too big for us to trade or cut him, so I would recommend taking our medicine for one more year and then parting ways.

I like the idea of easing Mond in at the end of this season, as well as next year. Then sign a cheap veteran who might not have stats like Cousins, but is somewhat comparable and a hell of a lot less expensive. Last, it's time to move on from Zimmer. It's simply a failed venture. Much like Cousins, he keeps you just competitive enough to have hope, but can't finish and slams the door on those same hopes. Offer Zim the defensive coordinator position (knowing he probably won't accept the humiliation of a demotion) and then call it a day. As for the next HC, who the heck knows? I'm okay w/ keeping Spielman around. You could do better, but you could also do a heck of a lot worse.

Ending the strange nepotism of this coaching staff would be a step in the right direction. There's too big of a chance that promotions aren't deserved; (see Adam Zimmer, Klint Kubiak, Scott Turner, etc.). Personally, I like the idea of making a run at Cowboys OC Kellen Moore as HC and then finding a veteran DC who can gel like the Cowboys have.

Cousins and Zim are a match made in heaven.

Cousins will do exactly what is asked of him and never deviate the plan or call. And Zim can't stand any kind of freelancing. I truly believe he'd rather lose being 100% in control than win with players "going cowboy".

If you want to always finish around .500, they're your men.

Zimm is an absolute control freak and Kirk is a mindless follower and yes man... They are perfect match for one another but neither can put a team on their shoulders, inspire a team to get behind them and win, Neither are true leaders,,,

Do agree we need a longer look at Kellen Moore and what he has done with Dallas as an OC.

Wasn't their offense way underperforming before this last game?

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikeologist™ @Vikeologist
As a
@Vikings
fan, I’m tired! I’m tired of spending thousands of dollars every year on season tickets, only to watch the team underperform again. I’m tired of driving 6 hours round trip to every home game to watch the coaching staff never make adjustments…

--

I think I can relate to this person. I feel kind of beat down myself. I don't spend money on season tickets but I've put in quite a bit of energy supporting the Twins and Vikings over the years - like you all have ...

I was very hopeful this year - I suppose like most - but damn, I thought on paper we looked pretty good

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

As it sinks in the season is over... Its time to see Kellen Mond play the Pack and Bears with all the starters and get some tape on the kid in real game time play.

Kirk Cousins was brought in as the final piece to get us over top... NO WAY IN HELL he should be around going forward, he has set us back far enough with his cap hell and lackluster leadership. GOODBYE!

Basically unless you can trade him you are going to have to make it one more year.....

He is due 35M(base salary).

With a 3 or 4 year extension, another team could easily get his cap number down in the low 20s.

Probably wishful thinking on my part.

it's $35m salary...we can pay $10m of that and bring the new teams number down to $25m - that would still save us a lot of cap space... trade cook to a contender that needs a rb...maybe redo a couple of existing deals...i'd keep everyone else for another season....

we should be able to get a couple of picks in the first two rounds for cousins/cook....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

It isn't time to blow up the team...it is time to change coaches though.

I would keep Spielman....just look at the mid to late round talent playing at RB and WR. If it was up to me I would go after Jim Caldwell, Doug Pederson, or Bienemy.

Who hired Zimmer? Who extended Kirk in competition with no one? Who extended Barr, Rudy, Smith with high guarantees at the tail end of their careers? Who overpays the wrong positions (RB, S, LB) while having the worst IOL in the league?

Spielman isn't horrible, but he's not that good either. Every team finds guys. How many get nothing out of the first round for years in a row, ending only when JJ falls into his lap?

Spielman has to go with the rest. The Wilfs need to break from their middling start of ownership by adapting to the way the league is now, not continuing with 1950s Era football.

Zimmer guys were extended...Smith, Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, Rhodes...Rudolph, Thielen, and Cousins I would put on Spielman but look what 15 million gave back....Tomlinson, Vigil, Cole, Richardson, and Patrick Peterson...where would we have been this year w/o them?