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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

Kupp: 3rd Round
Adams: 2nd Round
Hill and Diggs: 5th Round
Keenan Allen: 3rd Round
Renfroe: 5th Round
McClaurin: 3rd Round

It is probably the deepest position in this draft. Shore up defense and IOL and then find a sleeper WR later in draft.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

Goodness ... the Rams hit another level when they got Stafford not Beckham ... Beckham was impactful at times ... but not huge (44 rec 5 TDs) – they didn't even have him in the SB.

I get your point. Drafting a big shot WR gives you immediate impact and medium-long term cap flexibility. It would also compensate this year for having a very weak TE draft class and Irv to work with.

Drafting a CB would fill the biggest hole on the roster and get the most playing time out of any other position. The amount of plays a third WR would contribute compared to a third edge rusher or third OT (the other strong draft positions) are significant. So there's that.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

If we draft London, Williams or Wilson, I'll be on board. I just think we can find a starter quality guy later in draft.

Jameson Williams would be the perfect compliment to what we have right now. Speedster in the DeSean Jackson mold.

You beat me to it. Don’t be shocked if he’s called at 12. Makes us immediately better and makes negotiations with JJ easier.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

Goodness ... the Rams hit another level when they got Stafford not Beckham ... Beckham was impactful at times ... but not huge (44 rec 5 TDs) – they didn't even have him in the SB.

I get your point. Drafting a big shot WR gives you immediate impact and medium-long term cap flexibility. It would also compensate this year for having a very weak TE draft class and Irv to work with.

Drafting a CB would fill the biggest hole on the roster and get the most playing time out of any other position. The amount of plays a third WR would contribute compared to a third edge rusher or third OT (the other strong draft positions) are significant. So there's that.

Yeah, I know I just posted an article on depth of this draft class by position but in no way was I advocating to draft a certain position for the sake of drafting that position.

Take the best player available or move back and then take best player available, regardless of position. I hope we are drafting with the next 5 years in mind not just to fill a need this year. That should have been done in free agency.

We had needs on defense in 98 when we drafted Moss with Carter and Reed on the team. Just take the best player, regardless of need or position.

Drafting for need gets you Williamson and Ponder.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

Goodness ... the Rams hit another level when they got Stafford not Beckham ... Beckham was impactful at times ... but not huge (44 rec 5 TDs) – they didn't even have him in the SB.

I get your point. Drafting a big shot WR gives you immediate impact and medium-long term cap flexibility. It would also compensate this year for having a very weak TE draft class and Irv to work with.

Drafting a CB would fill the biggest hole on the roster and get the most playing time out of any other position. The amount of plays a third WR would contribute compared to a third edge rusher or third OT (the other strong draft positions) are significant. So there's that.

Yeah, I know I just posted an article on depth of this draft class by position but in no way was I advocating to draft a certain position for the sake of drafting that position.

Take the best player available or move back and then take best player available, regardless of position. I hope we are drafting with the next 5 years in mind not just to fill a need this year. That should have been done in free agency.

We had needs on defense in 98 when we drafted Moss with Carter and Reed on the team. Just take the best player, regardless of need or position.

Drafting for need gets you Williamson and Ponder.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

Goodness ... the Rams hit another level when they got Stafford not Beckham ... Beckham was impactful at times ... but not huge (44 rec 5 TDs) – they didn't even have him in the SB.

I get your point. Drafting a big shot WR gives you immediate impact and medium-long term cap flexibility. It would also compensate this year for having a very weak TE draft class and Irv to work with.

Drafting a CB would fill the biggest hole on the roster and get the most playing time out of any other position. The amount of plays a third WR would contribute compared to a third edge rusher or third OT (the other strong draft positions) are significant. So there's that.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

If we draft London, Williams or Wilson, I'll be on board. I just think we can find a starter quality guy later in draft.

Jameson Williams would be the perfect compliment to what we have right now. Speedster in the DeSean Jackson mold.

You beat me to it. Don’t be shocked if he’s called at 12. Makes us immediately better and makes negotiations with JJ easier.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

Kupp: 3rd Round
Adams: 2nd Round
Hill and Diggs: 5th Round
Keenan Allen: 3rd Round
Renfroe: 5th Round
McClaurin: 3rd Round

It is probably the deepest position in this draft. Shore up defense and IOL and then find a sleeper WR later in draft.

I disagree with this too. I think there are 4-5 top WR then a drop off and gambles this year.

WR are now the 2nd highest paid position so having that extra year of team control for a 1st rounder is big.

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From an earlier post:

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-strongest-position-group-weakest

Something to keep in mind is also what positions can be adequately addressed in rounds 2-5

Looks like a draft were you can get good value after round in in these position groups:

1) Edge defender
2) Safety
3) Interior offensive line
4) Cornerback

8) Wide receiver
While some are much higher on this wide receiver class, I come away a little lukewarm after the talent and depth we've seen from the 2020 and '21 drafts. While we are likely to see more first-rounders than the five-year average of 3.6, I don't believe there to be a true star in this group. North Dakota State's Christian Watson is an ascending prospect, but beyond him, the depth and ceiling and consistency for Day 2 wideouts is lacking.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This is the Diggs year of WR. We found him in the fifth. Grab one of the 4-5 other needs. Then draft one in the third or fifth

There is no reason to draft a WR high this year with so many other needs.

Just read where some GM said WRs(along with Edge Rushers) will probably always be a deep position in the draft going forward. That's where the best athletes are playing in HS and college. That's where the non QB money is.

Completely disagree on WR, though there are other areas that need attention up high as well. A second elite receiver is a difference maker in an offense that counts on multi-receiver sets. The Rams hit another level when Odell was signed and started playing close to elite level. You need other guys as well, so it's not to say that 3, 4, and 5 don't matter, but again with the Rams they were forced to play that one horrible WR who dropped TDs left and right. If he's your last line, OK, but if he's 3 or 4, you've got trouble.

And as I said on the other thread, rookie contract economics are becoming as prominent for elite WRs as they are for QBs. Theilen is on the wane, so getting an elite WR on a rookie deal to pair with JJ as he comes into a new deal is essential.

Goodness ... the Rams hit another level when they got Stafford not Beckham ... Beckham was impactful at times ... but not huge (44 rec 5 TDs) – they didn't even have him in the SB.

I get your point. Drafting a big shot WR gives you immediate impact and medium-long term cap flexibility. It would also compensate this year for having a very weak TE draft class and Irv to work with.

Drafting a CB would fill the biggest hole on the roster and get the most playing time out of any other position. The amount of plays a third WR would contribute compared to a third edge rusher or third OT (the other strong draft positions) are significant. So there's that.

Of course, Stafford made a huge difference the whole year. Odell signed right when Woods was injured but wasn't effective for a few games and the offense floundered a bit. When Odell came on, so did the team as a whole.

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If we draft London, Williams or Wilson, I'll be on board. I just think we can find a starter quality guy later in draft.

Jameson Williams would be the perfect compliment to what we have right now. Speedster in the DeSean Jackson mold.

You beat me to it. Don’t be shocked if he’s called at 12. Makes us immediately better and makes negotiations with JJ easier.

i'm going to say, no - to drake london...his 40-time of 4.58 is just too slow...in today's NFL, a wr needs more speed than that....

kwesi's analytics are going to flush that out, also, they'll highlight stingley's inactivity....

i do think kwesi is going after wr and cb...my prediction is; kwesi trades back for one, and then trades up for the other...both being selected in the first round....

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I'm not seeing Davis at NT unless the new regime sees him as someone who helps unlock the rest of the defense. What I've seen was at times stupendous, but I saw very little and I don't know exactly what he was supposed to be doing. I've read a bit about him taking plays off even though he wasn't in a whole lot, and that his athleticism hasn't translated the way some feel it should. As I mentioned previously, with all the Georgia defenders getting draft buzz, when I see their highlights I almost never see him in the picture, so I don't know how much unlocking of others he really does.

I think my greatest preference is an elite CB at 12 and then, not far behind, elite WR. I'd like to see one of the OSU guys, Williams, or London (who scares me). I'd be OK with a trade back if none of that is there, and try to later get the slot CB from Houston who also returns punts and plays some slot WR. If they love an edge guy I could see that as well.

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I'm not seeing Davis at NT unless the new regime sees him as someone who helps unlock the rest of the defense. What I've seen was at times stupendous, but I saw very little and I don't know exactly what he was supposed to be doing. I've read a bit about him taking plays off even though he wasn't in a whole lot, and that his athleticism hasn't translated the way some feel it should. As I mentioned previously, with all the Georgia defenders getting draft buzz, when I see their highlights I almost never see him in the picture, so I don't know how much unlocking of others he really does.

I think my greatest preference is an elite CB at 12 and then, not far behind, elite WR. I'd like to see one of the OSU guys, Williams, or London (who scares me). I'd be OK with a trade back if none of that is there, and try to later get the slot CB from Houston who also returns punts and plays some slot WR. If they love an edge guy I could see that as well.

Yeah, it's sometimes difficult spotting the dudes in the trenches taking on multiple blockers that allow others to run free. Which was his role.

I can re-post Georgia's run D stats again if you want. Second in the nation in yards per at 2.3 or something. And that includes of course the SEC teams and the playoff games.

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I'm not seeing Davis at NT unless the new regime sees him as someone who helps unlock the rest of the defense. What I've seen was at times stupendous, but I saw very little and I don't know exactly what he was supposed to be doing. I've read a bit about him taking plays off even though he wasn't in a whole lot, and that his athleticism hasn't translated the way some feel it should. As I mentioned previously, with all the Georgia defenders getting draft buzz, when I see their highlights I almost never see him in the picture, so I don't know how much unlocking of others he really does.

I think my greatest preference is an elite CB at 12 and then, not far behind, elite WR. I'd like to see one of the OSU guys, Williams, or London (who scares me). I'd be OK with a trade back if none of that is there, and try to later get the slot CB from Houston who also returns punts and plays some slot WR. If they love an edge guy I could see that as well.

Yeah, it's sometimes difficult spotting the dudes in the trenches taking on multiple blockers that allow others to run free. Which was his role.

I can re-post Georgia's run D stats again if you want. Second in the nation in yards per at 2.3 or something. And that includes of course the SEC teams and the playoff games.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Bohumm and Bill J.

Stingley definitely the guy if he is there.

1) Stingley
2) Davis
3) J. Johnson
4) Jameson Williams

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I'm not seeing Davis at NT unless the new regime sees him as someone who helps unlock the rest of the defense. What I've seen was at times stupendous, but I saw very little and I don't know exactly what he was supposed to be doing. I've read a bit about him taking plays off even though he wasn't in a whole lot, and that his athleticism hasn't translated the way some feel it should. As I mentioned previously, with all the Georgia defenders getting draft buzz, when I see their highlights I almost never see him in the picture, so I don't know how much unlocking of others he really does.

I think my greatest preference is an elite CB at 12 and then, not far behind, elite WR. I'd like to see one of the OSU guys, Williams, or London (who scares me). I'd be OK with a trade back if none of that is there, and try to later get the slot CB from Houston who also returns punts and plays some slot WR. If they love an edge guy I could see that as well.

Yeah, it's sometimes difficult spotting the dudes in the trenches taking on multiple blockers that allow others to run free. Which was his role.

I can re-post Georgia's run D stats again if you want. Second in the nation in yards per at 2.3 or something. And that includes of course the SEC teams and the playoff games.

That's what I'm saying, he's not in the picture at all, like probably not even on the field. But also not occupying seven guys. I think it would be hard to know how much of any of these players is attributable to Georgia's freakish number of good defenders. On the other hand, I saw something yesterday when they talked about a draftable guy who didn't play much because of how good they were.

I just don't get the impression from what I read that he's likely to have nearly the impact in the NFL as he did on the college level, but I'd be happy to be wrong because he seems like a good kid. If the Vikings take him, he's my guy.

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Davis played 38% of the snaps in a more run-oriented style of football and still took plays off while on the field. That's something that requires explanation and discussion, but not totally insurmountable.

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If we draft London, Williams or Wilson, I'll be on board. I just think we can find a starter quality guy later in draft.

Jameson Williams would be the perfect compliment to what we have right now. Speedster in the DeSean Jackson mold.

You beat me to it. Don’t be shocked if he’s called at 12. Makes us immediately better and makes negotiations with JJ easier.

Why? Because we'll be able to say to JJ he will have FEWER catches and TDs? Because we'll be able to remind JJ he doesn't hold all the leverage?

Your scenario ignores he has the option to just walk, and harkens to the root of why free agency was established.