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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/19/2022 2:32:47 PM

bohumm

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I don't really take KOC saying they like somebody as a necessarily meaningful statement. I don't have the impression Bradbury is "anointed" any more than other incumbents plugging holes, such as Dantzler or Bynum. Problem with Bradbury, IMO, is that he doesn't really seem to fill the hole. As mentioned above, hard to see how his flaws are patched over with scheme or technique. Maybe he can make the opponent laugh. I once scored a bucket in a game of one-on-one with JR Rider by getting him laughing in a scramble for a loose ball. I don't, however, recall stopping him.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/19/2022 4:42:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I don't really take KOC saying they like somebody as a necessarily meaningful statement. I don't have the impression Bradbury is "anointed" any more than other incumbents plugging holes, such as Dantzler or Bynum. Problem with Bradbury, IMO, is that he doesn't really seem to fill the hole. As mentioned above, hard to see how his flaws are patched over with scheme or technique. Maybe he can make the opponent laugh. I once scored a bucket in a game of one-on-one with JR Rider by getting him laughing in a scramble for a loose ball. I don't, however, recall stopping him.

Maybe he can tickle the nose tackle into submission.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/20/2022 9:46:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I don't really take KOC saying they like somebody as a necessarily meaningful statement. I don't have the impression Bradbury is "anointed" any more than other incumbents plugging holes, such as Dantzler or Bynum. Problem with Bradbury, IMO, is that he doesn't really seem to fill the hole. As mentioned above, hard to see how his flaws are patched over with scheme or technique. Maybe he can make the opponent laugh. I once scored a bucket in a game of one-on-one with JR Rider by getting him laughing in a scramble for a loose ball. I don't, however, recall stopping him.

A HC saying in a presser that 4 OL positions are set with the only open competition at RG is pretty conclusive … whether you choose to dismiss it or reinterpret it, etc.

Obviously a lot can happen between now and game 1. Some as yet unknown player can topple Bradbury from his anointed pedestal, maybe an injury step-in … some other unplanned for circumstance … I was hoping for a slightly higher aim …

I’m going to go with, we dont really know anything about our new regime until the season starts, and they don’t either. They have a plan for sure … it probably looks like one of Einstein’s chalkboards … but I think at this point in the offseason, they decided to coach up Bradbury, throw lackluster attention at OG (coach that up as well) and primarily focus on the D. Which makes sense given the lack of resources and past team performance.

Every nfl coaching staff thinks it can fix all problems and field a super competitive team whether ithey can or not. I’m hopeful but skeptical.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/20/2022 10:20:30 AM

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Yeah, the proof is in their actions. So far, the OL acquisitions support what KOC said as they've thrown a few bodies at the G position (plus the poor man's jack-of-all-trades Cole replaced by Schlotttmannn). In the secondary, the net gain from Sullivan over Alexander is negated by losing Woods unless Bynum is all that. For now, they've basically brought back one of the worst secondaries in football.

If one was to believe the IOL and secondary were the biggest problems, one could conclude they haven't done jack to address it. All signs point to the draft for those positions, and maybe WR due to several factors.

Run defense was also terrible, so we'll see what the 3-4 brings. But a NT that demands the attention of two IOL would be nice.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/20/2022 10:31:23 AM

Bill Johanesen

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What does Kwesi think are the factors that determine success and failure? What would he use to build his resume?

SB appearances/victories?
Conference titles?
Playoff record?
Division titles?
Playoff appearances?

% first round picks that were a success?
% day one and two picks that were a success?

Ability to keep key players?
Cap management?

Head coach turnover?

Profit based on fan interest (stadium sold out, successful string of price increases, high level of merchandise sales)?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/20/2022 10:35:18 AM

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Yeap. Good points. I won't like it but it would not shock me one bit if WR was taken with our first.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/20/2022 10:48:15 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, the proof is in their actions. So far, the OL acquisitions support what KOC said as they've thrown a few bodies at the G position (plus the poor man's jack-of-all-trades Cole replaced by Schlotttmannn). In the secondary, the net gain from Sullivan over Alexander is negated by losing Woods unless Bynum is all that. For now, they've basically brought back one of the worst secondaries in football.

If one was to believe the IOL and secondary were the biggest problems, one could conclude they haven't done jack to address it. All signs point to the draft for those positions, and maybe WR due to several factors.

Run defense was also terrible, so we'll see what the 3-4 brings. But a NT that demands the attention of two IOL would be nice.

I think that's a hard, cold, stripped down way to sum it up. It's always the harsh reality with you.

I prefer something more flowery and extravagant. That the new regime is approaching our roster like cud, it didn't taste good for fans going down the first time, but the staff has decided to regurgitate the stuff anyway from one of their stomachs, to chew it up a little differently ... in the hope of producing something unique and more flavorful.

I know I'm on board.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/20/2022 2:42:41 PM

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I guess I don't need to dream of Hamilton if we have a guy aspiring to be the GOAT (regardless of position)

First step for Bynum...best safety on the team he plays for currently. Long way to go.

But if he's more than serviceable I guess we can zero in on getting a top CB.

D could from shit to decent.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/20/2022 4:41:54 PM

Bill Johanesen

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, the proof is in their actions. So far, the OL acquisitions support what KOC said as they've thrown a few bodies at the G position (plus the poor man's jack-of-all-trades Cole replaced by Schlotttmannn). In the secondary, the net gain from Sullivan over Alexander is negated by losing Woods unless Bynum is all that. For now, they've basically brought back one of the worst secondaries in football.

If one was to believe the IOL and secondary were the biggest problems, one could conclude they haven't done jack to address it. All signs point to the draft for those positions, and maybe WR due to several factors.

Run defense was also terrible, so we'll see what the 3-4 brings. But a NT that demands the attention of two IOL would be nice.

I think that's a hard, cold, stripped down way to sum it up. It's always the harsh reality with you.

I prefer something more flowery and extravagant. That the new regime is approaching our roster like cud, it didn't taste good for fans going down the first time, but the staff has decided to regurgitate the stuff anyway from one of their stomachs, to chew it up a little differently ... in the hope of producing something unique and more flavorful.

I know I'm on board.

Kwesi has already served month-old leftovers and bought a few ham sandwiches with his new credit card whose interest he has zero intent on paying. But he has also collaboratively sold the entire front office that trading down is flowery and extravagant. Word on the street is he wants four picks in the 27-62 range. Says he'll show Spielman how trading is done in the analytical world.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 8:05:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.

Maybe karma for the poison pill we put into Hutchison's contract?

I'd think that we've paid our dues by now?

I'm almost convinced it's the Minnesota Massacre of 1862 - the IOL? pfft, ain't going to be a SB for us, either ...

Lent's over, whew! Miss me?

Is that for real, you gave up this for lent?

Welcome back! Beehive of activity doesn’t begin to say it.

To summarize: We resigned T.Y. McGill and now its time for the draft.

I did! But not as a religious thing per se - just as a means of cutting back on social media

I have an overactive quitting gene. Once I quit something I can't stop quitting it and once I start something I can't quit it ... it's weird but it makes quitting things like booze and harmful drugs a snap! ;/

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 9:40:17 AM

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The Vikings gave up 426 points in 2021. They may want to fix that.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 11:27:25 AM

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The Vikings gave up 426 points in 2021. They may want to fix that.

That is what the draft will be focused on. It might be done with a trade down gaining multiple picks or by getting their highest rated defensive pick at 12, but they will work on their biggest weakness.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 11:28:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.

Maybe karma for the poison pill we put into Hutchison's contract?

I'd think that we've paid our dues by now?

I'm almost convinced it's the Minnesota Massacre of 1862 - the IOL? pfft, ain't going to be a SB for us, either ...

Lent's over, whew! Miss me?

Is that for real, you gave up this for lent?

Welcome back! Beehive of activity doesn’t begin to say it.

To summarize: We resigned T.Y. McGill and now its time for the draft.

I did! But not as a religious thing per se - just as a means of cutting back on social media

I have an overactive quitting gene. Once I quit something I can't stop quitting it and once I start something I can't quit it ... it's weird but it makes quitting things like booze and harmful drugs a snap! ;/

Good to see you back!!

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 12:57:26 PM

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This is a fantasy proposed trade for draft day:
I would probably do it.

Steelers Get: No. 12 pick

Vikings Get: No. 20 pick, 138th pick, 2023 first-round pick

While there's no quarterback who's considered a sure thing in this year's class, it's looking increasingly likely that multiple signal-callers will go in Round 1. Pickett and Willis appear to be locks, and Cincinnati's Desmond Ridder could join them in the top half of the first round.

"There is legitimate buzz about him going in the top 15. He has wowed decision-makers with his interviews dating back to the Senior Bowl, and he put on a show with his 4.52-second 40 at the combine," ESPN's Matt Miller wrote.

In this scenario, the Pittsburgh Steelers swing a deal with the Minnesota Vikings to move up for Ridder—or whoever of those top three is still available. The Steelers need a long-term successor to Ben Roethlisberger, who retired, and while they took a flier on Mitchell Trubisky this offseason, there's no guarantee that he'll be better than he was with the Chicago Bears. In other words, not good enough to earn an extension.

The Vikings, meanwhile, have Kirk Cousins under contract for another two years and have 2021 third-round pick Kellen Mond developing under him. They shouldn't be in the mix for a signal-caller in this year's draft. Instead, they may capitalize on the market by allowing Pittsburgh to jump potential quarterback suitors in the Texans and Saints.

The Steelers could wait until next year to target a quarterback prospect, but they should be thinking playoffs in 2022 and therefore not planning on holding a high 2023 selection.

The last sentence is where the flaw in the writer's logic lies. The Steelers should NOT be thinking about playoffs in 2022. Browns, Ravens and Bengals are all better in their division. They will be lucky to sniff the playoffs this year.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 2:22:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

This is a fantasy proposed trade for draft day:
I would probably do it.

Steelers Get: No. 12 pick

Vikings Get: No. 20 pick, 138th pick, 2023 first-round pick

While there's no quarterback who's considered a sure thing in this year's class, it's looking increasingly likely that multiple signal-callers will go in Round 1. Pickett and Willis appear to be locks, and Cincinnati's Desmond Ridder could join them in the top half of the first round.

"There is legitimate buzz about him going in the top 15. He has wowed decision-makers with his interviews dating back to the Senior Bowl, and he put on a show with his 4.52-second 40 at the combine," ESPN's Matt Miller wrote.

In this scenario, the Pittsburgh Steelers swing a deal with the Minnesota Vikings to move up for Ridder—or whoever of those top three is still available. The Steelers need a long-term successor to Ben Roethlisberger, who retired, and while they took a flier on Mitchell Trubisky this offseason, there's no guarantee that he'll be better than he was with the Chicago Bears. In other words, not good enough to earn an extension.

The Vikings, meanwhile, have Kirk Cousins under contract for another two years and have 2021 third-round pick Kellen Mond developing under him. They shouldn't be in the mix for a signal-caller in this year's draft. Instead, they may capitalize on the market by allowing Pittsburgh to jump potential quarterback suitors in the Texans and Saints.

The Steelers could wait until next year to target a quarterback prospect, but they should be thinking playoffs in 2022 and therefore not planning on holding a high 2023 selection.

The last sentence is where the flaw in the writer's logic lies. The Steelers should NOT be thinking about playoffs in 2022. Browns, Ravens and Bengals are all better in their division. They will be lucky to sniff the playoffs this year.

I would love this trade! Get as much draft capital as you can for 2023.

Outside of Sauce Gardner sliding to 12, this is probably best case scenario for our 1st round. imo

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 9:10:17 PM

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After thorough analysis of recent pressers, I've been able to extract the one trait in draft prospects that KAM and KOC's hold most critical to their new team concept: team captain.

Our no-trade, All-team captain draft:

1) S Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
2) DT Travis Jones, Connecticut
3) CB Zyon McCollum, Sam Houston State
5) CB Mario Goodrich, Clemson
6) IOL Alec Lindstrom, Boston College
6) WR Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
6) TE Daniel Bellinger, San Diego State
7) IOL Chris Paul, Tulsa

It's a lock.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 10:00:08 PM

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I want the Vikes to go WR in round 1, CB seems the biggest need, but I have a feeling they will go edge.

I think they will trade back, and then draft Karlaftis.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 11:06:36 PM

Tom Sykes

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I want the Vikes to go WR in round 1, CB seems the biggest need, but I have a feeling they will go edge.

I think they will trade back, and then draft Karlaftis.

I understand the arguments for it ... but I think WR is a bit of a luxury given all the needs on defense.

But as long as we don't reach back too far at #12, I'll be happy ... a trade back depending on what we get is fine too.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/21/2022 11:14:59 PM

Tom Sykes

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https://twitter.com/DHendrickson41/status/1516977405893636099

Bowfinger II. He has the critical 'flippin interceptin' skill necessary to work well in Donnatell's scheme.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/22/2022 2:09:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

After thorough analysis of recent pressers, I've been able to extract the one trait in draft prospects that KAM and KOC's hold most critical to their new team concept: team captain.

Our no-trade, All-team captain draft:

1) S Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
2) DT Travis Jones, Connecticut
3) CB Zyon McCollum, Sam Houston State
5) CB Mario Goodrich, Clemson
6) IOL Alec Lindstrom, Boston College
6) WR Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
6) TE Daniel Bellinger, San Diego State
7) IOL Chris Paul, Tulsa

It's a lock.

spielman was very much impressed by team captains, also....i remember the first time i realized this - when he drafted harrison smith and talked about it afterward...leadership qualities...i like it myself....

i'd vote for drafting either sauce gardner or the best wr with our first pick...i realize gardner will most likely be gone, but he's the only one i'd pick before a great wr....

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/22/2022 2:12:00 AM

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https://twitter.com/DHendrickson41/status/1516977405893636099

Bowfinger II. He has the critical 'flippin interceptin' skill necessary to work well in Donnatell's scheme.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/22/2022 9:41:01 AM

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This team is very thin in the defensive secondary and their two best players are on the back side of career mountain. They gave up 426 points last season. Anything short of addressing secondary needs should be considered GM malpractice.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/22/2022 10:27:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

After thorough analysis of recent pressers, I've been able to extract the one trait in draft prospects that KAM and KOC's hold most critical to their new team concept: team captain.

Our no-trade, All-team captain draft:

1) S Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
2) DT Travis Jones, Connecticut
3) CB Zyon McCollum, Sam Houston State
5) CB Mario Goodrich, Clemson
6) IOL Alec Lindstrom, Boston College
6) WR Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
6) TE Daniel Bellinger, San Diego State
7) IOL Chris Paul, Tulsa

It's a lock.

spielman was very much impressed by team captains, also....i remember the first time i realized this - when he drafted harrison smith and talked about it afterward...leadership qualities...i like it myself....

i'd vote for drafting either sauce gardner or the best wr with our first pick...i realize gardner will most likely be gone, but he's the only one i'd pick before a great wr....

No team wants to draft criminals, all teams tip their profile rankings towards higher character.

Only an inexperienced wide-eyed naif who is over-zealous about team culture would rank prospects primarily on character.

We are not drafting Carmelite's for a convent.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/22/2022 10:30:46 AM

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This team is very thin in the defensive secondary and their two best players are on the back side of career mountain. They gave up 426 points last season. Anything short of addressing secondary needs should be considered GM malpractice.

Replacing Breeland and Alexander alone will improve that number.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/22/2022 11:18:39 AM

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This team is very thin in the defensive secondary and their two best players are on the back side of career mountain. They gave up 426 points last season. Anything short of addressing secondary needs should be considered GM malpractice.

With no change in regime, I really believe the defense would have been worse in 2022 than 2021. It was that big a mess. IMO we should keep that in mind when evaluating our progress on defense this off season. Not only are we trying to improve on 2021 but we had to stop the bleeding first, stabilize the patient, AND THEN start fixing the problems.

For one off season and very little resources for improvement ...

We put our FA attention on the front 7. Smart.

We squarely focused on the pass rush (keeping Hunter, signing Smith). Smart. [that also helps the secondary]

We changed schemes which will highlight our three best defenders (Kendricks, Hunter, Smith). Smart.

We didn't do anything dumb on offense (like shooting our complete FA wad at Scherff or worse, trading for Deebo) or ST (we invested minimal) which gave us just enough to bring in some 2nd-3rd tier defenders.

Step one for rebuilding our defense ... CHECK. [it's relative, we are not significantly better but we are better and heading in the right direction IMO]

Next, we addressed the secondary:

Peterson, Breeland, Alexander, Woods, Smith -for- Peterson, Dantzler, Sullivan, Bynum, Smith.

Step two for rebuilding our defense ... QUESTION MARK. [again, as we stand now, with no resources to improve, we are at least not worse, maybe slightly better]

The draft will be Step Three.

I agree with you that if we don't put significant draft attention on the secondary, the GM will be making a mistake.

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