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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

Was that deal available? Do you think Kwesi et al simply don't understand anything, but you do?

The deal should have been available to a good negotiator. Someone has to win. We obviously weren't willing to walk away if we didn't get thecright price. We got worked.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

Was that deal available? Do you think Kwesi et al simply don't understand anything, but you do?

The deal should have been available to a good negotiator. Someone has to win. We obviously weren't willing to walk away if we didn't get thecright price. We got worked.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

It has been disappointing. I got excited for Harbough...didn't get him. J wanted to move on from Cousins...didn't. I dreampt of Hamilton falling and he did...we passed. And I will never be convinced it was a good trade. No matter how the players pan out. I'd be willing to bet no team has taken less to drop that far.

So, proof doesn't matter because your dreams and feelings trump all? It doesn't matter if you'd bet about the drop; what matters at this point is what happened and whether the value of the players we end up exceeds the value of picking someone at 12, or taking a different deal.

Kwesi took the deal that was available, passing on a couple of players a lot of us like, and he'll take players and/or make deals today, and in two or three years we'll have some answers, though maybe before. Everyone thinks they're smarter than Kwesi, and maybe they are, but you didn't get to make the decision and he had to make the decision. He had a process, made a decision, and now we'll see.

If you want to give up on him and the players the Vikings pick, go ahead. But many of you would be bitching no matter what was done, especially if there's some complexity to assessing the outcome.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

It has been disappointing. I got excited for Harbough...didn't get him. J wanted to move on from Cousins...didn't. I dreampt of Hamilton falling and he did...we passed. And I will never be convinced it was a good trade. No matter how the players pan out. I'd be willing to bet no team has taken less to drop that far.

So, proof doesn't matter because your dreams and feelings trump all? It doesn't matter if you'd bet about the drop; what matters at this point is what happened and whether the value of the players we end up exceeds the value of picking someone at 12, or taking a different deal.

Kwesi took the deal that was available, passing on a couple of players a lot of us like, and he'll take players and/or make deals today, and in two or three years we'll have some answers, though maybe before. Everyone thinks they're smarter than Kwesi, and maybe they are, but you didn't get to make the decision and he had to make the decision. He had a process, made a decision, and now we'll see.

If you want to give up on him and the players the Vikings pick, go ahead. But many of you would be bitching no matter what was done, especially if there's some complexity to assessing the outcome.

And 46.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I like the player we drafted but loved a lot of players we passed on for crappy trade within the division.

I love what Detroit did last night, may have come away with the two best players in the draft.

We should had drafted Williams.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Players we could be targeting at 34?

Andrew Booth Jr., CB

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Booth is a sudden athlete with good body control and outstanding short-area burst. He's a scheme versatile corner who was asked to play a lot of coverages at Clemson and held up well across the board. He has playmaker instincts and attacks the ball like a receiver. He's a willing run defender who flies to the football. -- Steve Muench

Arnold Ebiketie, Edge

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Ebiketie has long arms and is a master at preventing offensive tackles from locking onto his pads as he advances his pass rush. He knows how to attack linemen and counters well when he doesn't win initially. Ebiketie has some issues anchoring when teams run at him, but he's relentless in pursuit. -- Steve Muench

Christian Watson, WR

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Watson is a big target with outstanding speed, longer arms and big hands. He's a threat to take the top off the coverage and is an instinctive open-field runner with good contact balance. Watson is a hands catcher with good body control and a wide catch radius. He's a smooth mover for his size and flashed as a route runner the week of the Senior Bowl. -- Steve Muench

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

NFL.COM give the Lions an A- and the Vikes an A for the 1st round.

I don't know the kid but he was on the top defense....I guess I can't say the same for Hamilton but I would have loved Davis.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

It has been disappointing. I got excited for Harbough...didn't get him. J wanted to move on from Cousins...didn't. I dreampt of Hamilton falling and he did...we passed. And I will never be convinced it was a good trade. No matter how the players pan out. I'd be willing to bet no team has taken less to drop that far.

So, proof doesn't matter because your dreams and feelings trump all? It doesn't matter if you'd bet about the drop; what matters at this point is what happened and whether the value of the players we end up exceeds the value of picking someone at 12, or taking a different deal.

Kwesi took the deal that was available, passing on a couple of players a lot of us like, and he'll take players and/or make deals today, and in two or three years we'll have some answers, though maybe before. Everyone thinks they're smarter than Kwesi, and maybe they are, but you didn't get to make the decision and he had to make the decision. He had a process, made a decision, and now we'll see.

If you want to give up on him and the players the Vikings pick, go ahead. But many of you would be bitching no matter what was done, especially if there's some complexity to assessing the outcome.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m intrigued by Cine … but it will take some luck for him to end up better than Hamilton.

After talking about the importance of first rd talent vs other rds, Kwesi sure jumped pretty hard to move in the direction of quantity over quality.

It smacks of somebody trying too hard to prove they deserve a spot at the table. The values of the trade are too close to call, why not just get good talent straight up at 12 or move down a little (like Spielman last year), pick up something extra and still get a solid first rd talent?

You don’t have to solve a complicated equation Kwes to prove your worth.

We’ll see how today goes … its very possible 34 could get us a prospect rated higher than our first (like cb Booth).

You never know, maybe we trade the extra third for a veteran and Kwesi proves himself to be diabolically clever.

Right now he just seems too smart for his own good.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I would not be surprised if after the Lions took Williams that someone said "Uh, hey Kwesi. Now that you gave the keys to a division rival allowing them to draft a gamebreaker and there are no cornerbacks left to cover him, we might have to draft a safety."

Kwesi looks up, sees a bunch of grizzled football veterans staring at him, and leaves to get a chi kale mango tea.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

It has been disappointing. I got excited for Harbough...didn't get him. J wanted to move on from Cousins...didn't. I dreampt of Hamilton falling and he did...we passed. And I will never be convinced it was a good trade. No matter how the players pan out. I'd be willing to bet no team has taken less to drop that far.

So, proof doesn't matter because your dreams and feelings trump all? It doesn't matter if you'd bet about the drop; what matters at this point is what happened and whether the value of the players we end up exceeds the value of picking someone at 12, or taking a different deal.

Kwesi took the deal that was available, passing on a couple of players a lot of us like, and he'll take players and/or make deals today, and in two or three years we'll have some answers, though maybe before. Everyone thinks they're smarter than Kwesi, and maybe they are, but you didn't get to make the decision and he had to make the decision. He had a process, made a decision, and now we'll see.

If you want to give up on him and the players the Vikings pick, go ahead. But many of you would be bitching no matter what was done, especially if there's some complexity to assessing the outcome.

I have read draft profiles that like Cine better than Hamilton. They say Cine is faster, plays faster and hits harder. I have also read that some sites seemed to penalize Cine because other members of the Georgia defense graded higher. I don't know which analysis is correct, but I hope Kwesi does. The Vikings said they had Cine rated in the 13-19 range. If you wanted Hamilton at 12 and we got someone even better at 32, that would be great. I guess we'll know a year from now.

What I do know is that we have the second pick today and the 2nd and 12th picks of the 3rd round. Today could be a really good day.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Players we could be targeting at 34?

Andrew Booth Jr., CB

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Booth is a sudden athlete with good body control and outstanding short-area burst. He's a scheme versatile corner who was asked to play a lot of coverages at Clemson and held up well across the board. He has playmaker instincts and attacks the ball like a receiver. He's a willing run defender who flies to the football. -- Steve Muench

Arnold Ebiketie, Edge

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Ebiketie has long arms and is a master at preventing offensive tackles from locking onto his pads as he advances his pass rush. He knows how to attack linemen and counters well when he doesn't win initially. Ebiketie has some issues anchoring when teams run at him, but he's relentless in pursuit. -- Steve Muench

Christian Watson, WR

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Watson is a big target with outstanding speed, longer arms and big hands. He's a threat to take the top off the coverage and is an instinctive open-field runner with good contact balance. Watson is a hands catcher with good body control and a wide catch radius. He's a smooth mover for his size and flashed as a route runner the week of the Senior Bowl. -- Steve Muench

If we could get Booth and Watson today it will take a little of the bad taste away from last night

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Players we could be targeting at 34?

Andrew Booth Jr., CB

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Booth is a sudden athlete with good body control and outstanding short-area burst. He's a scheme versatile corner who was asked to play a lot of coverages at Clemson and held up well across the board. He has playmaker instincts and attacks the ball like a receiver. He's a willing run defender who flies to the football. -- Steve Muench

Arnold Ebiketie, Edge

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Ebiketie has long arms and is a master at preventing offensive tackles from locking onto his pads as he advances his pass rush. He knows how to attack linemen and counters well when he doesn't win initially. Ebiketie has some issues anchoring when teams run at him, but he's relentless in pursuit. -- Steve Muench

Christian Watson, WR

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Watson is a big target with outstanding speed, longer arms and big hands. He's a threat to take the top off the coverage and is an instinctive open-field runner with good contact balance. Watson is a hands catcher with good body control and a wide catch radius. He's a smooth mover for his size and flashed as a route runner the week of the Senior Bowl. -- Steve Muench

If we could get Booth and Watson today it will take a little of the bad taste away from last night

I'm all over that...was thinking the same thing...is kwesi?....

also, at this point i think that maybe we should just draft malik willis...it's going to be insane to try to draft one next year as so many other teams need to do the same...perhaps o'connell can coach him up and feel good about him....

do that and trade the giants for that cb they're pushing....

tyler furness thinks willis is the next Michael Vick....


i think we should draft willis...if he's there at #34....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Players we could be targeting at 34?

Andrew Booth Jr., CB

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Booth is a sudden athlete with good body control and outstanding short-area burst. He's a scheme versatile corner who was asked to play a lot of coverages at Clemson and held up well across the board. He has playmaker instincts and attacks the ball like a receiver. He's a willing run defender who flies to the football. -- Steve Muench

Arnold Ebiketie, Edge

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Ebiketie has long arms and is a master at preventing offensive tackles from locking onto his pads as he advances his pass rush. He knows how to attack linemen and counters well when he doesn't win initially. Ebiketie has some issues anchoring when teams run at him, but he's relentless in pursuit. -- Steve Muench

Christian Watson, WR

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Watson is a big target with outstanding speed, longer arms and big hands. He's a threat to take the top off the coverage and is an instinctive open-field runner with good contact balance. Watson is a hands catcher with good body control and a wide catch radius. He's a smooth mover for his size and flashed as a route runner the week of the Senior Bowl. -- Steve Muench

If we could get Booth and Watson today it will take a little of the bad taste away from last night

I'm all over that...was thinking the same thing...is kwesi?....

also, at this point i think that maybe we should just draft malik willis...it's going to be insane to try to draft one next year as so many other teams need to do the same...perhaps o'connell can coach him up and feel good about him....

do that and trade the giants for that cb they're pushing....

tyler furness thinks willis is the next Michael Vick....


i think we should draft willis...if he's there at #34....