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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

NFL.COM give the Lions an A- and the Vikes an A for the 1st round.

I don't know the kid but he was on the top defense....I guess I can't say the same for Hamilton but I would have loved Davis.

Not entirely sure how they can get a grade before seeing the rest of the picks in the trade. It's like grading a meal after seeing the appetizer. So far we passed up on a more high-profile pick to get a safety that some sights are saying could potentially turn into a mediocre starter. Not sure how that equates to an A. Perhaps we'll find out more in two picks, but so far I'd rate it somewhere closer to a D+/C- than an A.

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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

NFL.COM give the Lions an A- and the Vikes an A for the 1st round.

I don't know the kid but he was on the top defense....I guess I can't say the same for Hamilton but I would have loved Davis.

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I can be disappointed but not give up on anything or anyone.

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Players we could be targeting at 34?

Andrew Booth Jr., CB

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Booth is a sudden athlete with good body control and outstanding short-area burst. He's a scheme versatile corner who was asked to play a lot of coverages at Clemson and held up well across the board. He has playmaker instincts and attacks the ball like a receiver. He's a willing run defender who flies to the football. -- Steve Muench

Arnold Ebiketie, Edge

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Ebiketie has long arms and is a master at preventing offensive tackles from locking onto his pads as he advances his pass rush. He knows how to attack linemen and counters well when he doesn't win initially. Ebiketie has some issues anchoring when teams run at him, but he's relentless in pursuit. -- Steve Muench

Christian Watson, WR

Pre-Draft Analysis:

Watson is a big target with outstanding speed, longer arms and big hands. He's a threat to take the top off the coverage and is an instinctive open-field runner with good contact balance. Watson is a hands catcher with good body control and a wide catch radius. He's a smooth mover for his size and flashed as a route runner the week of the Senior Bowl. -- Steve Muench

If we could get Booth and Watson today it will take a little of the bad taste away from last night

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

NFL.COM give the Lions an A- and the Vikes an A for the 1st round.

I don't know the kid but he was on the top defense....I guess I can't say the same for Hamilton but I would have loved Davis.

I would have stayed at pick 12 and took Davis. I predict multiple Pro Bowls for him.

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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

NFL.COM give the Lions an A- and the Vikes an A for the 1st round.

I don't know the kid but he was on the top defense....I guess I can't say the same for Hamilton but I would have loved Davis.

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I was correct about Pittsburgh taking QB Kenny Pickett, and I think he will be a good player.

It will be hard to make the pro bowl as a QB in the AFC, but I think he will do all right.

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Looking at it optimistically, at least Cine seems to be viewed as a legit playmaker. The grades are meaningless, but the write-ups indicate that he's a promising addition:

Yahoo Sports
Low-key this was one of our favorite picks of Round 1. Trading down felt like the play for the Vikings at 12, but we had no idea they’d be able to go this far down and get a top-20 talent in Cine. He’ll pair with Harrison Smith as one of the best safety duos in the NFL. Outstanding first selection for Kwesi Adofo-Mensah. Cine will start for a decade. Grade: A

Chad Reuter/NFL.com
I projected Cine to the Vikings in Round 2 of my seven-round mock draft, so I wasn't surprised when they traded down and selected him at No. 32 overall. He'll play right away because he's a big hitter who can cover. Cine's size and athleticism allowed him to stay with receivers and tight ends on crossing routes and downfield; he'll serve as a much-needed nickel defender for Minnesota. New GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah got excellent value in his deal with the Lions -- he moved up 12 picks in Round 2, added an early third-round selection (No. 66 overall) and landed an impact player in Cine, all for 20 spots in Round 1.

Bleacher Report
As talented as Notre Dame’s Kyle Hamilton is, he’s not the same type of hitter Cine is. Nor does this year’s highest-drafted safety possess as much speed. Initially, Cine can join Harrison Smith, learn from the veteran and form the league’s most physical safety duo. The incoming defensive back will eventually replace Smith, who turned 33 in February. The Vikings can save $15.3 million by releasing the veteran with a June 1 designation next year, per Over The Cap. Grade: B

SI
Cine is an outstanding athlete with good size who could be a long-term replacement for Harrison Smith. He ran a 4.37 40-yard dash at the combine and led all safeties in the broad jump (11’1”). He’s a smart defender and sees the game well. Cine delivers some big hits in run support and is a reliable tackler in space with sideline-to-sideline range. Grade: B

Pete Prisco/CBS
They need a safety next to Harrison Smith and he's getting a little older. Cine is a good-looking player who will cover and hit you. He has the range you like in the back end. This is a good, solid pick. Grade: B+

Fox
There is some poetry to the first round of the draft both beginning and ending with a Georgia Bulldog, with Cine the appropriate capper as the last line of defense for the reigning national champions. For so long, the Vikings boasted one of the NFL's best free safeties in Harrison Smith, but age is catching up to the veteran. Cine catches up with opponents in a flash, and he brings the thunder as a hitter. Grade: B+

Sporting News
It’s fitting that the first round began and ended with national champion Georgia defensive players (five in all). The Vikings get an intimidating cleanup man next to venerable Harrison Smith who also showed he had the athleticism to make a lot more plays in coverage in the NFL. For the team moving down 20 spots, Kwesi Adofo-Mensah did well with his first pick as GM with a fine talent that fits a need and matches the value. Grade: A

PFN
With an enforcing type of play, Lewis Cine brings a similar identity to the Minnesota Vikings defense. Cine hits hard but is a sure tackler. He comes downhill in the run game very well and can play either safety position. Yet, allowing him to play free safety next to Harrison Smith will only elevate his game. Grade: A

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It has been disappointing. I got excited for Harbough...didn't get him. J wanted to move on from Cousins...didn't. I dreampt of Hamilton falling and he did...we passed. And I will never be convinced it was a good trade. No matter how the players pan out. I'd be willing to bet no team has taken less to drop that far.

So, proof doesn't matter because your dreams and feelings trump all? It doesn't matter if you'd bet about the drop; what matters at this point is what happened and whether the value of the players we end up exceeds the value of picking someone at 12, or taking a different deal.

Kwesi took the deal that was available, passing on a couple of players a lot of us like, and he'll take players and/or make deals today, and in two or three years we'll have some answers, though maybe before. Everyone thinks they're smarter than Kwesi, and maybe they are, but you didn't get to make the decision and he had to make the decision. He had a process, made a decision, and now we'll see.

If you want to give up on him and the players the Vikings pick, go ahead. But many of you would be bitching no matter what was done, especially if there's some complexity to assessing the outcome.

I have read draft profiles that like Cine better than Hamilton. They say Cine is faster, plays faster and hits harder. I have also read that some sites seemed to penalize Cine because other members of the Georgia defense graded higher. I don't know which analysis is correct, but I hope Kwesi does. The Vikings said they had Cine rated in the 13-19 range. If you wanted Hamilton at 12 and we got someone even better at 32, that would be great. I guess we'll know a year from now.

What I do know is that we have the second pick today and the 2nd and 12th picks of the 3rd round. Today could be a really good day.

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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

NFL.COM give the Lions an A- and the Vikes an A for the 1st round.

I don't know the kid but he was on the top defense....I guess I can't say the same for Hamilton but I would have loved Davis.

I would have stayed at pick 12 and took Davis. I predict multiple Pro Bowls for him.

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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

We did get Detroit's 2nd and 3rd round picks. The problem is we gave them our second which we should have kept.

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I would not be surprised if after the Lions took Williams that someone said "Uh, hey Kwesi. Now that you gave the keys to a division rival allowing them to draft a gamebreaker and there are no cornerbacks left to cover him, we might have to draft a safety."

Kwesi looks up, sees a bunch of grizzled football veterans staring at him, and leaves to get a chi kale mango tea.

As I see it, the best defensive tackle in college football was available at 12 and we opted to go for a mediocre safety at 32 instead. For a team that gave up a billion points last season they may want to start focusing on difference makers on that side of the ball rather than collecting role players.

I said yesterday that the only d-lineman I would take over a corner would be Davis, and people in here know how I feel about defensive linemen (not much). Davis is a freakish talent. The Eagles didn't flinch when they saw him still available.

After Davis was Hamilton, who was rated the top safety. If we wanted a safety, someone needs to explain to me why we didn't take the top one when he was available.

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I wanted Willams real bad. I wanted Hamilton if that didn't work. I' wasn't happy.

I did find some information on Cine today.
3rd team All American.
MVP of National championship game.
4.37 in the 40.
His RAS Relative Athletic Score from the NFL combine was the 6th best in the past decade scoring a 9.9 out of 10.
His 40 yard dash and 10 yard split were both in the 99th percentile.

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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

We did get Detroit's 2nd and 3rd round picks. The problem is we gave them our second which we should have kept.

How? Detroit was trading up to the pick behind us with the same capital. We now move up to the top of the 2nd and 3rd round and have 4 picks in the top 80 instead of 3.

What would you think if we drafted Cine at 12?

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I’m intrigued by Cine … but it will take some luck for him to end up better than Hamilton.

After talking about the importance of first rd talent vs other rds, Kwesi sure jumped pretty hard to move in the direction of quantity over quality.

It smacks of somebody trying too hard to prove they deserve a spot at the table. The values of the trade are too close to call, why not just get good talent straight up at 12 or move down a little (like Spielman last year), pick up something extra and still get a solid first rd talent?

You don’t have to solve a complicated equation Kwes to prove your worth.

We’ll see how today goes … its very possible 34 could get us a prospect rated higher than our first (like cb Booth).

You never know, maybe we trade the extra third for a veteran and Kwesi proves himself to be diabolically clever.

Right now he just seems too smart for his own good.

Why will it take luck? Cine appears to have better physical attributes than Hamilton. Is it possible that Cine was simply underrated by some?

This will all boil down to who did the best job of evaluating talent .. draft sites, talkvikes fans or the Vikings. It is possible that Kwesi & co did a good job of evaluating the talent that would be available at 12, the end of the round, at the top and middle of the second and decided that there was more value in making the move and picking up a 4th pick in the top 77. We should know by this time next year.

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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

NFL.COM give the Lions an A- and the Vikes an A for the 1st round.

I don't know the kid but he was on the top defense....I guess I can't say the same for Hamilton but I would have loved Davis.

I would have stayed at pick 12 and took Davis. I predict multiple Pro Bowls for him.

I think we put too much into the position in FA, that's a reason we didn't go Davis

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I’m intrigued by Cine … but it will take some luck for him to end up better than Hamilton.

After talking about the importance of first rd talent vs other rds, Kwesi sure jumped pretty hard to move in the direction of quantity over quality.

It smacks of somebody trying too hard to prove they deserve a spot at the table. The values of the trade are too close to call, why not just get good talent straight up at 12 or move down a little (like Spielman last year), pick up something extra and still get a solid first rd talent?

You don’t have to solve a complicated equation Kwes to prove your worth.

We’ll see how today goes … its very possible 34 could get us a prospect rated higher than our first (like cb Booth).

You never know, maybe we trade the extra third for a veteran and Kwesi proves himself to be diabolically clever.

Right now he just seems too smart for his own good.

Why will it take luck? Cine appears to have better physical attributes than Hamilton. Is it possible that Cine was simply underrated by some?

This will all boil down to who did the best job of evaluating talent .. draft sites, talkvikes fans or the Vikings. It is possible that Kwesi & co did a good job of evaluating the talent that would be available at 12, the end of the round, at the top and middle of the second and decided that there was more value in making the move and picking up a 4th pick in the top 77. We should know by this time next year.

C’mon. Hamilton was universally rated higher. Draft ranking means something or completely nothing. Choose.

Every pick is a gamble, Hamilton at 12 is a risk … but a much smaller risk than Cine at 30.

“What? you say. What do draftniks know … teams pour expertise and resources into it know better.” Yes, which is why Hamilton got drafted where he did and Cine got drafted where he did.

I hope Cine blows everybody away … he has a good chance to be the best talent at the position we’ve had since drafting Harry. Could be better … if we’re lucky.

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*ducks in*

There's no way Spielman would have passed up the Notre Dame guy at No. 12

*ducks out*

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I’m intrigued by Cine … but it will take some luck for him to end up better than Hamilton.

After talking about the importance of first rd talent vs other rds, Kwesi sure jumped pretty hard to move in the direction of quantity over quality.

It smacks of somebody trying too hard to prove they deserve a spot at the table. The values of the trade are too close to call, why not just get good talent straight up at 12 or move down a little (like Spielman last year), pick up something extra and still get a solid first rd talent?

You don’t have to solve a complicated equation Kwes to prove your worth.

We’ll see how today goes … its very possible 34 could get us a prospect rated higher than our first (like cb Booth).

You never know, maybe we trade the extra third for a veteran and Kwesi proves himself to be diabolically clever.

Right now he just seems too smart for his own good.

Why will it take luck? Cine appears to have better physical attributes than Hamilton. Is it possible that Cine was simply underrated by some?

This will all boil down to who did the best job of evaluating talent .. draft sites, talkvikes fans or the Vikings. It is possible that Kwesi & co did a good job of evaluating the talent that would be available at 12, the end of the round, at the top and middle of the second and decided that there was more value in making the move and picking up a 4th pick in the top 77. We should know by this time next year.

C’mon. Hamilton was universally rated higher. Draft ranking means something or completely nothing. Choose.

Every pick is a gamble, Hamilton at 12 is a risk … but a much smaller risk than Cine at 30.

“What? you say. What do draftniks know … teams pour expertise and resources into it know better.” Yes, which is why Hamilton got drafted where he did and Cine got drafted where he did.

I hope Cine blows everybody away … he has a good chance to be the best talent at the position we’ve had since drafting Harry. Could be better … if we’re lucky.

So if they were targeting Cine and decided to draft him at 12....thoughts?