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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 9:38:44 AM

Mark Anderson

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How about these kick the can down the road moves?

Re-do Hunter 4yrs. 84M, 28M Signing bonus, 2M base salary 1st year, 24M base salary on 4th year which we never pay(so basically 3yr. 60M). 9M cap hit this year. Gives us 17M in cap space.

Sign Z. Smith and CB Douglas

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 10:18:26 AM

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Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter · 38m

Vikings’ DE Danielle Hunter has an $18 million roster bonus due today and, barring an unforeseen change, Minnesota plans to pay it and tie the two-time Pro Bowl selection to its team for the remaining two years on his contract, per league source.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson · 10m

If #Vikings DE Danielle Hunter contract indeed remains unchanged he'd make a base salary of $1.4 million this season with an $18 million bonus and a cap hit of $25.838 million. But next year it goes all the way down to a cap hit of $8.62 million (with base salary of $4.9 million).

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I guess they want to see if he can stay healthy for a full season before moving or restructuring.

Could easily become Hunter getting his full 19.4M this year then demanding a trade next year.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 3/19/2022 10:26:24 AM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 10:29:05 AM

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Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter · 38m

Vikings’ DE Danielle Hunter has an $18 million roster bonus due today and, barring an unforeseen change, Minnesota plans to pay it and tie the two-time Pro Bowl selection to its team for the remaining two years on his contract, per league source.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson · 10m

If #Vikings DE Danielle Hunter contract indeed remains unchanged he'd make a base salary of $1.4 million this season with an $18 million bonus and a cap hit of $25.838 million. But next year it goes all the way down to a cap hit of $8.62 million (with base salary of $4.9 million).

................

I guess they want to see if he can stay healthy for a full season before moving or restructuring.

Could easily become Hunter getting his full 19.4M this year then demanding a trade next year.

I wonder if we can just convert a portion of the 18M to a signing bonus. Maybe 5-6M for rookies.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 10:38:33 AM

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So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

I will put aside my FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 3/19/2022 10:49:26 AM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 10:41:12 AM

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So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 10:46:44 AM

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Well looks like this will be Hunters last year with us. Hopefully he plays lights put with and eye on finally breaking the bank and the team eyeing him has 2 2023 1sts on their back pocket.

I feel that's the only way we don't live to regret not paying the man.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 10:50:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 10:53:11 AM

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Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter · 38m

Vikings’ DE Danielle Hunter has an $18 million roster bonus due today and, barring an unforeseen change, Minnesota plans to pay it and tie the two-time Pro Bowl selection to its team for the remaining two years on his contract, per league source.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson · 10m

If #Vikings DE Danielle Hunter contract indeed remains unchanged he'd make a base salary of $1.4 million this season with an $18 million bonus and a cap hit of $25.838 million. But next year it goes all the way down to a cap hit of $8.62 million (with base salary of $4.9 million).

................

I guess they want to see if he can stay healthy for a full season before moving or restructuring.

Could easily become Hunter getting his full 19.4M this year then demanding a trade next year.

I wonder if we can just convert a portion of the 18M to a signing bonus. Maybe 5-6M for rookies.

The 'report' could be completely bogus. Its really just commentary.

We won't know until we sort of kind of know.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 11:02:23 AM

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I wonder if the state of our defense / ability to be competitive [or lack thereof] this year is starting to dawn on the Wilfs.

Maybe they should have hired another shmoozer shell game GM type instead of a disciplined numbers guy.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 11:14:40 AM

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Skip Bayless@RealSkipBayless
Here's the irony: The Browns wanted an "adult" at QB, so they acquired a new Face of the Franchise who faces 22 civil suits from women accusing him of everything from sexual misconduct to sexual assault.

I'd be curious to know what transgressions fall between sexual misconduct and sexual assault?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 11:15:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

Philips has played 26 games the last two years. Pierce 8 games.

Do we know what covid will bring next year? He(Pierce) might have to opt out again.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 12:12:08 PM

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on spotrac it indicates that the $18mm is due march 20th....

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Vikings’ DE Danielle Hunter has an $18 million roster bonus due today and, barring an unforeseen change, Minnesota plans to pay it and tie the two-time Pro Bowl selection to its team for the remaining two years on his contract, per league source.

< Message edited by ratoppenheimer -- 3/19/2022 12:14:30 PM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 12:27:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

Philips has played 26 games the last two years. Pierce 8 games.

Do we know what covid will bring next year? He(Pierce) might have to opt out again.

Pierce: 29yrs 5 seasons GS 38 / Solo T 94 / S 6.5 / FF 1

Phillips Age 26yrs, 4 seasons GS 11 / Solo T 50 / S 1.5 / FF 0

You can restrict your argument to covid or you can talk about games started and production. Not even close.

(you can also argue that the Vikings think Phillips is better, he got a better deal from us than Pierce got from the Ravens)

EDIT: The other argument would be that Phillips is a younger ascending player but please don't go to Phil extremes.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 3/19/2022 12:32:12 PM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 12:30:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

Philips has played 26 games the last two years. Pierce 8 games.

Do we know what covid will bring next year? He(Pierce) might have to opt out again.

maybe he's vaccinated now. It wasn't available when he opted out.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 12:52:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

Philips has played 26 games the last two years. Pierce 8 games.

Do we know what covid will bring next year? He(Pierce) might have to opt out again.

maybe he's vaccinated now. It wasn't available when he opted out.

I'm sure he is. '

But there is always that risk with him if some super variant comes.

Also, look at Philips stats. He is ascending. Starting to hit his prime.

Pierce had his fair shake here. He didn't produce. The old Bud Grant "availability" quote comes in here.

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 3/19/2022 12:55:35 PM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 12:59:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

Philips has played 26 games the last two years. Pierce 8 games.

Do we know what covid will bring next year? He(Pierce) might have to opt out again.

Pierce: 29yrs 5 seasons GS 38 / Solo T 94 / S 6.5 / FF 1

Phillips Age 26yrs, 4 seasons GS 11 / Solo T 50 / S 1.5 / FF 0

You can restrict your argument to covid or you can talk about games started and production. Not even close.

(you can also argue that the Vikings think Phillips is better, he got a better deal from us than Pierce got from the Ravens)

EDIT: The other argument would be that Phillips is a younger ascending player but please don't go to Phil extremes.

Looks like average tackles per game started goes to Philips. Sacks per game started Pierce. FF Pierce.

Pretty close.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 1:06:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

Philips has played 26 games the last two years. Pierce 8 games.

Do we know what covid will bring next year? He(Pierce) might have to opt out again.

maybe he's vaccinated now. It wasn't available when he opted out.

I'm sure he is. '

But there is always that risk with him if some super variant comes.

Also, look at Philips stats. He is ascending. Starting to hit his prime.

Pierce had his fair shake here. He didn't produce. The old Bud Grant "availability" quote comes in here.

You must have responded before reading my EDIT about Phillips being an ascending player LOL.

Keep in mind, he has been a fill in player for injuries until the last game of last season through the playoffs, so his 'ascending' label is from very small sample size. [I don't want to take too much away from him, he played well in the playoffs)

Meanwhile, Pierce has been solid starter material and productive over his career, and he's 29 (with low mileage), not 32+. Yes he has had some injuries.

The new variant angle is wildly off base ... you have no idea what the future holds for yourself much less Pierce. Not worthy of your usual arguments.

Your

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 1:26:33 PM

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Phil extremes?

PFF has him at 15 even with a bad PCL last year. Higher than Dalvin 17 and Pierce 25.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 1:32:01 PM

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So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

I will put aside my FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Yep, that's the lineup for now.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 2:18:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

I will put aside my FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Yep, that's the lineup for now.

the only two players in 2021 with 100 tackles and 4 interceptions....

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 2:25:37 PM

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It sounds like Danielle Hunter will be sticking around Minnesota after all. The Vikings plan to pick up the Pro Bowler’s $18MM roster bonus, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter (via Twitter).

The roster bonus is due on Sunday, and barring an “unforeseen change,” Hunter will be sticking with the Vikings past the deadline. This decision will effectively “tie” Hunter to the Vikings for the final two years of the player’s contract, per Schefter...pro football rumors - ben levine

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Danielle Hunter to remain a Viking for the next two years #Vikings

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 3:17:04 PM

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i'll admit it, i figured they were cutting him a check tomorrow....

Ben Goessling@BenGoessling

A couple things to know about Danielle Hunter’s $18M roster bonus:

—While it becomes guaranteed this weekend, he still has to report to training camp on time to earn it.

—First $6M paid w/in 10 days of camp report date.

—Vikings still have right to convert it to SB at any time

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 5:41:30 PM

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i'll admit it, i figured they were cutting him a check tomorrow....

Ben Goessling@BenGoessling

A couple things to know about Danielle Hunter’s $18M roster bonus:

—While it becomes guaranteed this weekend, he still has to report to training camp on time to earn it.

—First $6M paid w/in 10 days of camp report date.

—Vikings still have right to convert it to SB at any time

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So 25.8 and 8.6 M cap hits the next two years?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 6:13:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So I guess if we're going to swallow Hunter's full 19.4M

Everybody put aside their FA addition fantasies.

By my count, we've added one FA (Hicks) who will compete for a starter spot and one more that will compete for a spot in a rotation (Phillips). Neither being an improvement over last year.

Cousins
Cook
JJ, Thielen, Osborn
Smith
Darrisaw, Cleveland Bradbury Davis O'Neill

Hunter Phillips Tomlinson, Wonnum
Kendricks, Hicks
Dantzler (our best CB!), Hand, Boyd
Smith, Bynum

Time to start talking about the draft!!!

Philips is an improvement over Pierce.

CBs=OUCH

I don't agree Mark.

But I hope he proves me wrong.

Philips has played 26 games the last two years. Pierce 8 games.

Do we know what covid will bring next year? He(Pierce) might have to opt out again.

maybe he's vaccinated now. It wasn't available when he opted out.

I'm sure he is. '

But there is always that risk with him if some super variant comes.

Also, look at Philips stats. He is ascending. Starting to hit his prime.

Pierce had his fair shake here. He didn't produce. The old Bud Grant "availability" quote comes in here.

You must have responded before reading my EDIT about Phillips being an ascending player LOL.

Keep in mind, he has been a fill in player for injuries until the last game of last season through the playoffs, so his 'ascending' label is from very small sample size. [I don't want to take too much away from him, he played well in the playoffs)

Meanwhile, Pierce has been solid starter material and productive over his career, and he's 29 (with low mileage), not 32+. Yes he has had some injuries.

The new variant angle is wildly off base ... you have no idea what the future holds for yourself much less Pierce. Not worthy of your usual arguments.

Your

Yeah. Covid angle probably a reach.

Honestly, it would be nice to have both. Pierce and Tomlinson for NT and Philips a 5 technique.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/19/2022 6:14:52 PM

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i'll admit it, i figured they were cutting him a check tomorrow....

Ben Goessling@BenGoessling

A couple things to know about Danielle Hunter’s $18M roster bonus:

—While it becomes guaranteed this weekend, he still has to report to training camp on time to earn it.

—First $6M paid w/in 10 days of camp report date.

—Vikings still have right to convert it to SB at any time

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