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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 9:51:20 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Speaking of people thumping their chest while talking about how it's so early in free agency, wow.

- Added another year of being tied to Cousins, a move that in large part shapes what a person thinks of free agency so far.

- Mostly just kicked cap down the road while bringing back the cap eaters. Certainly nothing to write home about since it will affect the outyears.

- We lost a good/promising TE for one that has 10 career catches and a torn ACL.

- We cut Pierce (good) and replaced him with someone who was only recently a starter. A move that goes in the hope-it-works category.

- Lost Cole, signed Schlottman, basically a wash.

- Made a splash signing with Za Smith. Looks to be a good move so far especially so for a 3-4.

- Barr likely to walk, sort of replaced with Hicks. Based on production, a good move although Barr may have done well in the 3-4.

I give the regime a C- so far, but really any grade is incomplete until they play. Positives are some under the radar signings combined with vets. Negatives are nothing to indicate a new direction.

Before FA most of the posts were about whether they would make the tough calls and basically rebuild, or simply make do while essentially keeping the roster the same. They've done the latter. Results to follow.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:00:05 AM

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CB coming in for a visit this Friday.

Chandon Sullivan(Packers)

10th ranked slot last year. Mac was 35th

Were there only 35 slot CBs?

I figure due to injuries/demotions/etc. they had over 32 listed?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:06:20 AM

Phil Riewer

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Couple of things I like that Kwesi has done:

1) Sign leaders from good teams
2) Get rid of players that aren't on the field for whatever reason/can call it the Bud Grant philosophy
3) If you need to break #2 you sign injured players & tie performance and games played to contract

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:08:00 AM

Bill Johanesen

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rumor is that the slot corner visiting will get 2 million/year if he signs.

First, that sounds more like something just made up.

Second, $2M a year basically gets you trash. For any good corner, $2 million is the AGENT'S cut (just perspective... not saying one is out there or that we can afford it).

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:10:26 AM

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rumor is that the slot corner visiting will get 2 million/year if he signs.

First, that sounds more like something just made up.

Second, $2M a year basically gets you trash. For any good corner, $2 million is the AGENT'S cut (just perspective... not saying one is out there or that we can afford it).

Mac did make $4 million last year but an agents cut is normally 5%.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:15:39 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Couple of things I like that Kwesi has done:

1) Sign leaders from good teams
2) Get rid of players that aren't on the field for whatever reason/can call it the Bud Grant philosophy
3) If you need to break #2 you sign injured players & tie performance and games played to contract

They certainly don't follow the principle of 2) as Phillips, Mundt, and Smith ALL have a history of injuries and/or have recently been injured. So has Hunter.

Let's hope they factored in 3), which looks to be your CYA disclaimer.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:18:32 AM

Bill Johanesen

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rumor is that the slot corner visiting will get 2 million/year if he signs.

First, that sounds more like something just made up.

Second, $2M a year basically gets you trash. For any good corner, $2 million is the AGENT'S cut (just perspective... not saying one is out there or that we can afford it).

Mac did make $4 million last year but an agents cut is normally 5%.

And Mac played up to his salary, which was trash. A salary half that... Breeland might be available.

The agent's cut wasn't literal.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:19:47 AM

Phil Riewer

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Couple of things I like that Kwesi has done:

1) Sign leaders from good teams
2) Get rid of players that aren't on the field for whatever reason/can call it the Bud Grant philosophy
3) If you need to break #2 you sign injured players & tie performance and games played to contract

They certainly don't follow the principle of 2) as Phillips, Mundt, and Smith ALL have a history of injuries and/or have recently been injured. So has Hunter.

Let's hope they factored in 3), which looks to be your CYA disclaimer.

So were Pierce and Barr on the field more than Phillips and Hicks last year?

Hunter wasn't a resigning or extension...he was under contract.

Did the Vikes protect themselves on the Smith contract?

Mundt is a Vet minimum signing to fill out the roster...there will be 18 more minimum salary signings. Odds are they will draft another TE but assuming Mundt is Conklins replacement at this point; just might be jumping the gun once again.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:21:39 AM

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If the Vikes sign Chandon Sullivan they will have another player that is on the GB books also:

SEP 11 2021Converted $1.213M of 2021 salary into bonus. clearing $970,400 in cap with Green Bay (GB)

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 11:20:12 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Speaking of people thumping their chest while talking about how it's so early in free agency, wow.

- Added another year of being tied to Cousins, a move that in large part shapes what a person thinks of free agency so far.

- Mostly just kicked cap down the road while bringing back the cap eaters. Certainly nothing to write home about since it will affect the outyears.

- We lost a good/promising TE for one that has 10 career catches and a torn ACL.

- We cut Pierce (good) and replaced him with someone who was only recently a starter. A move that goes in the hope-it-works category.

- Lost Cole, signed Schlottman, basically a wash.

- Made a splash signing with Za Smith. Looks to be a good move so far especially so for a 3-4.

- Barr likely to walk, sort of replaced with Hicks. Based on production, a good move although Barr may have done well in the 3-4.

I give the regime a C- so far, but really any grade is incomplete until they play. Positives are some under the radar signings combined with vets. Negatives are nothing to indicate a new direction.

Before FA most of the posts were about whether they would make the tough calls and basically rebuild, or simply make do while essentially keeping the roster the same. They've done the latter. Results to follow.

We can still look for a QBOTF. All while seeing if it was the coaching that held back this group of players.

People think that if we blow it all up, we will automatically be good in 2-3 years. Jacksonville blew it all up and got their guy. But are overpaying big time for decent players. We'll see how they turn out in the next couple years.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 11:24:31 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

rumor is that the slot corner visiting will get 2 million/year if he signs.

First, that sounds more like something just made up.

Second, $2M a year basically gets you trash. For any good corner, $2 million is the AGENT'S cut (just perspective... not saying one is out there or that we can afford it).

Maybe they think this guy can be a starter but I'm thinking maybe a backup, core special teams player.

My hopes are sign Fuller or Haden and draft Stingley. Maybe also bring back PP as a CB/S type guy(also a mentor to Stingley)

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 11:54:26 AM

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Any word of a decent center signed

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 12:26:26 PM 1 votes

Daniel Lee Young

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Let Tyler Conklin walk…

Fail…
Extend Cousins..

Fail..

Resigned Minion..

Fail..
Cole and Dozier..

Wash to a gain by releasing trash..

Nick vigil walks..

Fail.

This team is going to struggle.. again..

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 3:10:59 PM

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It looks like the Vikings have a new slot cornerback. Chandon Sullivan‘s Minnesota visit Friday led to a contract agreement, according to the veteran corner’s agency (Twitter link).

Sullivan spent the past three seasons with the Packers and worked primarily as their slot defender. The Vikings are not planning to bring back Mike Zimmer mainstay Mackensie Alexander, and Sullivan is coming off a nice contract year at the position. Sullivan will reunite with new Vikings staffer Mike Pettine, who was the Packers’ defensive coordinator during two of the cornerback’s three seasons in Green Bay.

Originally an Eagles UDFA, Sullivan caught on with the Packers in 2019. The Georgia State alum played 77% of Green Bay’s defensive snaps last season and intercepted three passes. He ranked among the top five slot corners in snaps per target and snaps per reception. Sullivan, 25, did not miss a game for Green Bay during his time with the team.

The Packers will make a transition here, but the team has committed significant resources at corner. In addition to housing first-round picks Jaire Alexander and Eric Stokes, the Packers re-signed Rasul Douglas on a $7MM-per-year deal last week.

With the Vikings moving to a new defensive system, it is uncertain they will re-sign free agent Patrick Peterson, though the All-Decade defender has expressed interest in staying. Peterson signed a one-year, $8MM deal to leave Arizona for Minnesota last year. The Vikes have Cameron Dantzler under contract, but even after signing Sullivan, the retooling team will need more help in coverage.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/25/2022 10:47:38 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Couple of things I like that Kwesi has done:

1) Sign leaders from good teams
2) Get rid of players that aren't on the field for whatever reason/can call it the Bud Grant philosophy
3) If you need to break #2 you sign injured players & tie performance and games played to contract

They certainly don't follow the principle of 2) as Phillips, Mundt, and Smith ALL have a history of injuries and/or have recently been injured. So has Hunter.

Let's hope they factored in 3), which looks to be your CYA disclaimer.

So were Pierce and Barr on the field more than Phillips and Hicks last year?

Hunter wasn't a resigning or extension...he was under contract.

Did the Vikes protect themselves on the Smith contract?

Mundt is a Vet minimum signing to fill out the roster...there will be 18 more minimum salary signings. Odds are they will draft another TE but assuming Mundt is Conklins replacement at this point; just might be jumping the gun once again.

Throw in all the doo-dads you want, but at the end of the day the regime has not followed the Bud Grant principle. So don't say he has. All your disclaimers do not make it so.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 5:03:34 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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Maybe …

It’s the curse of Grant?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 10:56:11 AM

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JC Tetter... perfect fit. I would be very happy with off season with his signing.

I think Peterson's ship has sailed. might want too much money.

Anyone know anything about Tretter and a possible visit?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:07:54 AM

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PFF: Tretter has recorded a Top-3 pass-blocking grade among centers in 4 straight seasons.

PFF: J.C. Tretter since 2019:
🔸 1,601 pass-blocking snaps
🔸 0 QB hits allowed

Schefter: NFLPA Board of Player Representatives unanimously re-elected Browns’ center JC Tretter as president of the NFL Players Association.

Pelissero: Along with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith, Tretter led the players through COVID-19 the past two seasons, without a single game -- or paycheck -- lost. Stability at an important post.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:14:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

PFF: Tretter has recorded a Top-3 pass-blocking grade among centers in 4 straight seasons.

PFF: J.C. Tretter since 2019:
🔸 1,601 pass-blocking snaps
🔸 0 QB hits allowed

Schefter: NFLPA Board of Player Representatives unanimously re-elected Browns’ center JC Tretter as president of the NFL Players Association.

Pelissero: Along with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith, Tretter led the players through COVID-19 the past two seasons, without a single game -- or paycheck -- lost. Stability at an important post.

Get him. We have 16-18M in cap room. We are letting Bradbury go after this season. Maybe this off season.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:22:27 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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JC Tetter... perfect fit. I would be very happy with off season with his signing.

I think Peterson's ship has sailed. might want too much money.

Anyone know anything about Tretter and a possible visit?

Even I’d be happy with that FA signing..

A fn center like we haven’t had since Birk? Christy? Lowdermilk or Tinglehoff?

I’d be happy… er…ish..

Less RGOBF..

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:25:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

PFF: Tretter has recorded a Top-3 pass-blocking grade among centers in 4 straight seasons.

PFF: J.C. Tretter since 2019:
🔸 1,601 pass-blocking snaps
🔸 0 QB hits allowed

Schefter: NFLPA Board of Player Representatives unanimously re-elected Browns’ center JC Tretter as president of the NFL Players Association.

Pelissero: Along with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith, Tretter led the players through COVID-19 the past two seasons, without a single game -- or paycheck -- lost. Stability at an important post.

The word is that he couldn't/didn't practice much of last year because of degenerative injury.
He played every game though, I think.
My guess is there that is the hesitation...

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:29:48 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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Yea I just googled… I’m thinking not….

Lotta questionable miles under that helmet..

No doubt he is smart.. but the age and injury history is a deal breaker..

We don’t need cap competition by 31 year old linemen..even good ones..

Steve Hutchison was the last F A lineman that really worked out well, that I remember..

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:31:01 AM

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What degenerative injury? I hope not. Getting hopes up

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:31:07 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

PFF: Tretter has recorded a Top-3 pass-blocking grade among centers in 4 straight seasons.

PFF: J.C. Tretter since 2019:
🔸 1,601 pass-blocking snaps
🔸 0 QB hits allowed

Schefter: NFLPA Board of Player Representatives unanimously re-elected Browns’ center JC Tretter as president of the NFL Players Association.

Pelissero: Along with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith, Tretter led the players through COVID-19 the past two seasons, without a single game -- or paycheck -- lost. Stability at an important post.

The word is that he couldn't/didn't practice much of last year because of degenerative injury.
He played every game though, I think.
My guess is there that is the hesitation...

How about that there?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/26/2022 11:43:03 AM

geoffrey greitzer

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And if he has clean bill of health and those stats are correct...Sign Him!!

Cousins is very limited with his movements in the pocket. If he has no pressure up the middle, it will help this team immensely.

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