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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 7:20:01 AM

Tom Sykes

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word on the street is we're trading hunter...barr seems to be standing in the wings....

'word on the street'

You're not walking around in a trenchcoat, hanging out in dark alleys looking for FA 'snitches' ... are you?

There's completely reliable twitter.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 7:40:15 AM

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I'm mad about the Hunter deal. Losing him makes this FA an F.

Not a good start for the new regime. If they settle for less than a 1st I'll lose it. A team wants him they should be paying for his super star potential.

How do you feel exactly?

LOL I'm chasing you around between this thread and Gen Vikes.

There are strong arguments to both keep and get rid of Hunter.

For my money, trading your best defensive player [when healthy] is even riskier than keeping a guy with two straight years of non-related freak injuries.

We need the cap space, we need the draft capital ... so depending on what we got for Hunter ... I would be ok with it ... but not if we trade Hunter and keep Barr.

I'm guessing / hoping Hunter's injures were one-off deals. Plus they were upper-body unlike Barr's knee condition.

I thought Cousins was the key to this offseason but it seems to be Hunter.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 7:52:41 AM

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 8:33:13 AM

ratoppenheimer

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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word on the street is we're trading hunter...barr seems to be standing in the wings....

'word on the street'

You're not walking around in a trenchcoat, hanging out in dark alleys looking for FA 'snitches' ... are you?

There's completely reliable twitter.

i heard it from huggy bear himself, man....

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 9:04:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I'm mad about the Hunter deal. Losing him makes this FA an F.

Not a good start for the new regime. If they settle for less than a 1st I'll lose it. A team wants him they should be paying for his super star potential.

Extending Cousins already makes the off season an F

Keeping older players; Cousins, Thielen and Smith and getting rid of Hunter? We haven't signed any O line yet either. Big fat F so far for 2022, imo. Where's the analytics? Bad value all around.

Have we improved from last year? Are we ready for a Super Bowl run?

I wanted Speilman gone but I now I wish we had him back.

I hate feeling like this because I'm usually overly optimistic.

< Message edited by Murph -- 3/17/2022 9:06:26 AM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 9:23:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Murph

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

I'm mad about the Hunter deal. Losing him makes this FA an F.

Not a good start for the new regime. If they settle for less than a 1st I'll lose it. A team wants him they should be paying for his super star potential.

Extending Cousins already makes the off season an F

Keeping older players; Cousins, Thielen and Smith and getting rid of Hunter? We haven't signed any O line yet either. Big fat F so far for 2022, imo. Where's the analytics? Bad value all around.

Have we improved from last year? Are we ready for a Super Bowl run?

I wanted Speilman gone but I now I wish we had him back.

I hate feeling like this because I'm usually overly optimistic.

But we have signed an OL guy. The proverbial 'versatile' C/G. Sort of a downgrade to Cole, but super fresh due to lack of playing time. An assistant manager to the special vice coordinator has ties to him.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 9:26:03 AM

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It's pretty pathetic (on my part) to be looking at Spottrac and Overthecap for contract news.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 9:33:10 AM

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Ourlads does a nice job of updating the depth chart. FAs in red, new guys slotted in their estimated depth slot. Conklin & Cole removed. It already has the new OL acquisition - https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/MIN

At CB we have Dantzler, Boyd, Hand, Nickerson.

Minnesota Vikings, the land of opportunity for backups.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 9:57:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

It's pretty pathetic (on my part) to be looking at Spottrac and Overthecap for contract news.

They have a trade machine type deal on Spotrac. Everything works because salaries don't have to match up.

Traded Hunter to Dallas for #24, G McGovern, OLB Cox and did a re-structure of Thielen.

We would have around 18M in cap space.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 9:58:38 AM

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The Browns released Center JC Tretter yesterday.

He would be a massive upgrade over Bradbury if we can afford him.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:02:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Murph

The Browns released Center JC Tretter yesterday.

He would be a massive upgrade over Bradbury if we can afford him.

Either him or a Cornerback.

With a new regime, is Davis strictly a RG? Where he has played his whole college career.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:03:16 AM

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I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 3/17/2022 10:07:14 AM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:21:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

now smith has a 2023 cap hit of $19.2mm, with a dead cap of $11.7mm - i love the guy, but it seems like a step backward....

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:25:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Murph

The Browns released Center JC Tretter yesterday.

He would be a massive upgrade over Bradbury if we can afford him.

Either him or a Cornerback.

With a new regime, is Davis strictly a RG? Where he has played his whole college career.

trading hunter will give us enough $ for both, a solid cb and a center....

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:26:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murph

The Browns released Center JC Tretter yesterday.

He would be a massive upgrade over Bradbury if we can afford him.

Either him or a Cornerback.

With a new regime, is Davis strictly a RG? Where he has played his whole college career.

trading hunter will give us enough $ for both, a solid cb and a center....

Then we'd need a stud DE.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:36:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

now smith has a 2023 cap hit of $19.2mm, with a dead cap of $11.7mm - i love the guy, but it seems like a step backward....

As Ron Wolf said, anyone can kick the can down the road.

Jeff Diamond was great with the cap... until he wasn't and we went into cap hell.

Rob Brzezinski was great with the cap... until he wasn't and we went into cap hell.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:38:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

now smith has a 2023 cap hit of $19.2mm, with a dead cap of $11.7mm - i love the guy, but it seems like a step backward....

Perfect example of why I've been harping on how restructured contracts aren't some magic bullet that create cap room out of nothing.

It just feels like we're maxing out our credit cards...

< Message edited by David Levine -- 3/17/2022 10:43:32 AM >

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 10:57:22 AM

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Same ole sh*t, different regime.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 12:19:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

now smith has a 2023 cap hit of $19.2mm, with a dead cap of $11.7mm - i love the guy, but it seems like a step backward....

Perfect example of why I've been harping on how restructured contracts aren't some magic bullet that create cap room out of nothing.

It just feels like we're maxing out our credit cards...

Yes but because of the intense shifting dynamic of the league, its never going to be a tidy cap every year. So IMO pushing 6M back from 2022 (no cap space) to 2023 (40-50M cap space) is a necessary evil. At this point in time. I myself would not have done it with Smith ... I would have restructured guys I was committed to for 3-4 years like Kendricks or O'Neill. Or Hunter, which I know not everybody agrees with.

And I would cut off my hand before pushing more than 3-5% of a future cap in dead money (2022 is close to 10% [4M for Rudolph!]).

Hopefully this regime gets in front of the cap and makes more disciplined decisions ...

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 12:19:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

now smith has a 2023 cap hit of $19.2mm, with a dead cap of $11.7mm - i love the guy, but it seems like a step backward....

Perfect example of why I've been harping on how restructured contracts aren't some magic bullet that create cap room out of nothing.

It just feels like we're maxing out our credit cards...

I think they bank on the credit limit going up(salary cap) and some contracts being done.

We are at a point where we had to choose one way or the other. We are choosing to go for it with this roster thinking that the more modern philosophy of this coaching staff can make us a contender.

A total 180 from where I thought KAM would go.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 12:27:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

now smith has a 2023 cap hit of $19.2mm, with a dead cap of $11.7mm - i love the guy, but it seems like a step backward....

Perfect example of why I've been harping on how restructured contracts aren't some magic bullet that create cap room out of nothing.

It just feels like we're maxing out our credit cards...

I think they bank on the credit limit going up(salary cap) and some contracts being done.

We are at a point where we had to choose one way or the other. We are choosing to go for it with this roster thinking that the more modern philosophy of this coaching staff can make us a contender.

A total 180 from where I thought KAM would go.

It feels like there is a lot of timidness. Almost fear-based moves.

Can't afford to lose Cousins or Smith. Schlottman and Mundt feel like guys to bring in to help the existing guys learn the new systems (because apparently every coach having 3 assistants isn't enough...)

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 12:37:53 PM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I guess Smith re-structured and saved us 6M.

Cap numbers:

Hicks 3.5M
Philips 3.8M

now smith has a 2023 cap hit of $19.2mm, with a dead cap of $11.7mm - i love the guy, but it seems like a step backward....

Perfect example of why I've been harping on how restructured contracts aren't some magic bullet that create cap room out of nothing.

It just feels like we're maxing out our credit cards...

I think they bank on the credit limit going up(salary cap) and some contracts being done.

We are at a point where we had to choose one way or the other. We are choosing to go for it with this roster thinking that the more modern philosophy of this coaching staff can make us a contender.

A total 180 from where I thought KAM would go.

It feels like there is a lot of timidness. Almost fear-based moves.

Can't afford to lose Cousins or Smith. Schlottman and Mundt feel like guys to bring in to help the existing guys learn the new systems (because apparently every coach having 3 assistants isn't enough...)

I love all the 'we need Mannion for Kirk's sake' talk.

Make him an assistant QB coach then.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 1:18:07 PM

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#Bills RFA C/G Ryan Bates is meeting with the #Vikings, per league source.
Bates has a right of first refusal tender, so the Bills wouldn't be compensated if they didn't match an offer sheet by the Vikings or another team.

"Bates has until April 22 to either sign an offer sheet with another team, which the Bills would have five days to match, or play on his one-year deal. Bates was a pleasant surprise for the Bills at the end of the 2021 season, taking over as a starter in Week 16 against the New England Patriots. Perhaps not coincidentally, the Bills' offensive line seemed to hit its stride from that point forward, and Bates maintained his spot in the starting lineup through the postseason, making it likely that the Bills would do what they could to retain him for 2022." buffalonews.com

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 1:21:23 PM

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I guess we are going to keep picking at peripheral guys and work the bottom of the roster until ... Hunter is dealt? 2023?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/17/2022 1:31:32 PM

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I guess we are going to keep picking at peripheral guys and work the bottom of the roster until ... Hunter is dealt? 2023?

Keep picking at peripheral guys and work the bottom of the roster and get draft picks.
I have a feeling there isn't going to be a whole lot added via FA this year.

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