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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 11:58:05 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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25 years together and we're still not good at talking to each other here.

I think we're all just dealing with the promise of what we have vs the fear of falling short the best we can.


Did you mean "just dealing with the fear of what we have vs the promise of falling short"?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 12:03:04 PM   
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25 years together and we're still not good at talking to each other here.

I think we're all just dealing with the promise of what we have vs the fear of falling short the best we can.

If this one ends without a SB win this off-season will be brutal is my prediction.


If we flame out like under Zimmer, it'll be bad.

Like we can not have a repeat of last month's 40-3 drubbing.

If we play well and lose a good game, I can live with it.

I think Donatell needs to go regardless - unless we turn into the 85 Bears throughout the Playoffs...


The defense in the fourth quarter though... It's incredible. It defies logic.


10th in points allowed in 4th quarter with 5.1.

NYJ first with 3.5, two bottom feeders with 8.1.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 12:10:06 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		Offense, 4th quarter points, Vikes are first with 9.9. A pretty wide margin over Det, second with 8.6.

Some of that is bolstered by the last three games, first with 16.3.

Home (third), 9.7, away (first) 10.3.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 12:23:53 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		Any time the team is in the playoffs, there is a chance to go all the way... likely relying on luck, an improbable/perfect storm run, a refs fateful call, and being on the right side of the apropos adage 'it's a game of inches'. And really, it's all gravy really from here on out.

That said, IMO 1998 was the last time I thought we had a legit chance to win it all. So the loss, especially how it happened, was devastating from a relative/sports perspective.

This year it's more like a low budget circus bouncing into town each week. Put on a good show, wow who knew?! Put up a stinker, ah that seems about right. And if we lose, my first thought will be what will our draft position be , followed by who to cut to gain cap, etc. The Vikings' fan circle of life (or is it hamster wheel?).
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 12:46:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Any time the team is in the playoffs, there is a chance to go all the way... likely relying on luck, an improbable/perfect storm run, a refs fateful call, and being on the right side of the apropos adage 'it's a game of inches'. And really, it's all gravy really from here on out.

That said, IMO 1998 was the last time I thought we had a legit chance to win it all. So the loss, especially how it happened, was devastating from a relative/sports perspective.

This year it's more like a low budget circus bouncing into town each week. Put on a good show, wow who knew?! Put up a stinker, ah that seems about right. And if we lose, my first thought will be what will our draft position be , followed by who to cut to gain cap, etc. The Vikings' fan circle of life (or is it hamster wheel?).


I thought for sure we were going to win it all in 2009.

We had such a good balance of offense and defense.
Offense Favre, Rice, Harvin, Peterson, Hutch and even Shaincoe having a career year
On defense... Jared Allen, Williams boys, Winfield, Greenway, Leber...

In my fan history the Vikes just never seemed to have much luck in the NFC championship game... and IMO, you need to be good and catch some breaks.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 12:48:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Any time the team is in the playoffs, there is a chance to go all the way... likely relying on luck, an improbable/perfect storm run, a refs fateful call, and being on the right side of the apropos adage 'it's a game of inches'. And really, it's all gravy really from here on out.

That said, IMO 1998 was the last time I thought we had a legit chance to win it all. So the loss, especially how it happened, was devastating from a relative/sports perspective.

This year it's more like a low budget circus bouncing into town each week. Put on a good show, wow who knew?! Put up a stinker, ah that seems about right. And if we lose, my first thought will be what will our draft position be , followed by who to cut to gain cap, etc. The Vikings' fan circle of life (or is it hamster wheel?).



I don't post much but along with the 1998 team the 2009 team was the time when I thought we'd go all the way. After the 49ers win it just seemed like the season was special and things had turned our way. That was pretty much the last time I'd let myself get so involved with the franchise. Been watching since the early 90's and can only take so much heartbreak/disappointment like 2003. Let this year be the one where they go all the way because I refuse to buy in like I have in the past. I'm just waiting for that disappointment I know so well. I scheduled a trip in 2017 to summit Mt. Washington when the Vikings played the Iggles because I knew what we were in for. The worst part was hearing all the fireworks from the iggles fans after they won the SB before we did. (along with the aints) So for me it's tough to buy into a team that keeps winning like this but I'll alo say it's sad to not be enjoying it instead of waiting for that soul crusher.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 1:18:56 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 1:52:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought the Vikings might win it in '87, but came up a tad short.

I thought they might win in '98, but had some concerns with the defense, and while RC was great in many facets, he didn't have a lot of playoff success as far as winning. I also thought he needed more of a dink and dunk game, and that it was a weakness that he had nearly stopped entirely of running, when sometimes there was a lot of free real estate in front of him, even on 3rd downs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 1:58:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		2009 - I thought they had a shot, but really didn't believe deep down as I had seen so many Packer seasons end with a Favre INT, it wasn't that big of surprise it ended against the Saints the way it did. What bugged me the most was getting shafted by the officials in OT, especially Leber getting flagged for PI when he made no contact with the WR.

2022 - I think they have a chance, and in some ways are more battle tested than any Vikings team as far as 4th quarters, and both sides of the ball are coming through. My concern is Cousins seeing things quickly, and having good pocket presence, and Donatell's soft schemes.

I have a hard time seeing this team beat either the Bills or Chiefs in the Super Bowl, but feel they have a slightly better chance with Buffalo than with KC.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 2:11:12 PM   
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I thought the Vikings might win it in '87, but came up a tad short.

I thought they might win in '98, but had some concerns with the defense, and while RC was great in many facets, he didn't have a lot of playoff success as far as winning. I also thought he needed more of a dink and dunk game, and that it was a weakness that he had nearly stopped entirely of running, when sometimes there was a lot of free real estate in front of him, even on 3rd downs.

In retrospect ive come to the concl Brad has never been so right: He took a knee.! In today's game the time left on the clock was nothing - at the very least worth a shot
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 2:15:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Any time the team is in the playoffs, there is a chance to go all the way... likely relying on luck, an improbable/perfect storm run, a refs fateful call, and being on the right side of the apropos adage 'it's a game of inches'. And really, it's all gravy really from here on out.

That said, IMO 1998 was the last time I thought we had a legit chance to win it all. So the loss, especially how it happened, was devastating from a relative/sports perspective.

This year it's more like a low budget circus bouncing into town each week. Put on a good show, wow who knew?! Put up a stinker, ah that seems about right. And if we lose, my first thought will be what will our draft position be , followed by who to cut to gain cap, etc. The Vikings' fan circle of life (or is it hamster wheel?).

That's well done. sparkly and tawdry at the same time.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 2:43:58 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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Any time the team is in the playoffs, there is a chance to go all the way... likely relying on luck, an improbable/perfect storm run, a refs fateful call, and being on the right side of the apropos adage 'it's a game of inches'. And really, it's all gravy really from here on out.

That said, IMO 1998 was the last time I thought we had a legit chance to win it all. So the loss, especially how it happened, was devastating from a relative/sports perspective.

This year it's more like a low budget circus bouncing into town each week. Put on a good show, wow who knew?! Put up a stinker, ah that seems about right. And if we lose, my first thought will be what will our draft position be , followed by who to cut to gain cap, etc. The Vikings' fan circle of life (or is it hamster wheel?).

That's well done. sparkly and tawdry at the same time.


I'd go with glitzy and tawdry, although maybe tawdry alone is sufficient. Probably weave in some circus booth magic acts using smoke and mirrors.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 12/28/2022 2:46:20 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 3:04:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ricky, I totally agree with Brad on that, Denny was afraid to win, didn't have the killer instinct. That was part of his many playoff losses.

My take on the main reason the Atlanta game was lost, was proven correct in the Super Bowl. The Vikings did almost no blitzing of Chandler, got no hurries. Denver blitzed him like crazy, and eventually he started throwing some poor passes, Denver won easily.

I also think RC could have used a short game, or ran for some 1st down conversions on 3rd down, and marched right down the field in OT, but instead the Vikings offense was too reliant on the big play.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 3:12:16 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 3:53:33 PM   
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So the knee in 98 is exclusively a Brad observation?

It would be wrong to say it that way ... I will say he did scream it the loudest and the most oftenest by my recollection, though
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 4:22:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Any time the team is in the playoffs, there is a chance to go all the way... likely relying on luck, an improbable/perfect storm run, a refs fateful call, and being on the right side of the apropos adage 'it's a game of inches'. And really, it's all gravy really from here on out.

That said, IMO 1998 was the last time I thought we had a legit chance to win it all. So the loss, especially how it happened, was devastating from a relative/sports perspective.

This year it's more like a low budget circus bouncing into town each week. Put on a good show, wow who knew?! Put up a stinker, ah that seems about right. And if we lose, my first thought will be what will our draft position be , followed by who to cut to gain cap, etc. The Vikings' fan circle of life (or is it hamster wheel?).

That's well done. sparkly and tawdry at the same time.


I'd go with glitzy and tawdry, although maybe tawdry alone is sufficient. Probably weave in some circus booth magic acts using smoke and mirrors.

Glitzy, chintzy and kitschy were all good options but it came down to garish or sparkly in my book. (reflected in the wet slathering of mustard on a three day old heat-lamped corndog ... you know, something that looks good, smells good and tastes good but really ends up making you feel guilty for thinking so ... but that's because I always go too far)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 5:16:44 PM   
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Garrett Bradbury was not on the field for the #Vikings’ Wednesday walk-through to start the week. Cameron Dantzler [full] and Irv Smith were practicing.

[Also: Cleveland - limited]
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2022 9:58:25 PM   
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Ben Goessling

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Garrett Bradbury was not on the field for the #Vikings’ Wednesday walk-through to start the week. Cameron Dantzler [full] and Irv Smith were practicing.

Irv Smith...pass!

[Also: Cleveland - limited]
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/29/2022 3:52:35 AM   
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wednesday's injury report....

vikings:
C Garrett Bradbury- DNP (back)
LG Ezra Cleveland- Limited (shoulder)
CB Cam Dantzler- Full (ankle)
DL James Lynch- DNP (shoulder)

fudge packers:
QB Aaron Rodgers- DNP (knee)
WR Christian Watson- DNP (hip)
CB Keisean Nixon- DNP (groin)
OT Yosh Nijman- Limited (shoulder)
RB Aaron Jones- Limited (knee/ankle)
OL Elgton Jenkins- Limited (knee)
S Rudy Ford- Full (wrist/knee)
LB Krys Barnes- Full (hand)
LT David Bakhtiari- Full (knee/abdomen)
CB Jaire Alexander- Full (forearm)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/29/2022 4:00:01 AM   
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On Wednesday, the Vikings activated Ty Chandler to the final 53. He could play as soon as Sunday when the Vikings face their rival, the Packers, at Lambeau Field. Chandler possesses impressive speed and showcased his running back abilities in the preseason when he ran for 113 yards on just 15 carries.

The activation of Chandler was not the only news concerning injured reserve, as tight end Irv Smith Jr. was designated to return. That means he is entering the three-week window to practice until the Vikings have to activate him at the very latest.

Smith could be back for a potential playoff run. The tight end recorded 22 catches for 168 yards and two scores in the season’s first seven games. In that seventh matchup, Smith hurt his ankle, and it turned out to be a sprained ankle, and he had to miss most of the season.

via vikingsterritory....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/29/2022 8:40:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Irv Smith is a walking liability, hope the team maxes out the three-week window to activate him... but not before scrutinizing every word of the CBA to find a loophole that prevents him touching the field this season. Worse case, make up something and hope it gets bogged down with the NFL/NFLPA.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/29/2022 8:47:00 AM   
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Out Defense needs as many extra bodies as we can field, the offense has not been a problem, except the IOL and pass blocking.

Pocket collapse and lack of vision/ awareness by KC is the only consistent offensive problem, IMO.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/29/2022 9:16:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting stats this year:

Pat Mahomes 4th quarter + OT:
1,107 passing yards
7 TD
6 INT

Kirk Cousins 4th quarter + OT:
1,416 passing yards
13 TD
3 INT

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/29/2022 9:24:23 AM   
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Interesting stats this year:

Pat Mahomes 4th quarter + OT:
1,107 passing yards
7 TD
6 INT

Kirk Cousins 4th quarter + OT:
1,416 passing yards
13 TD
3 INT


Pat likes to get his work done early, sit back and hang out , while Kirk is a lazy mf and puts off all the heavy lifting till the end. Didn't you learn anything at all this past week? ha ha, me being snarky ... I promise to get better in 2023.

there is that 6:3 int ratio thing to consider, though
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/29/2022 9:38:23 AM   
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I promise to get better in 2023.


Even if we lose the next 3 games?

Hard to imagine drawing off any magic from this season if that happens.

What if it ALL goes to shit?
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