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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 7:45:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: marty

KOC should rest the starters, it would be better to play the Giants than the Packers in round 1, and besides that, it's not likely SF loses at home to Arizona.


We aren't winning the Super Bowl and neither are the Fudge so I could care less who plays/rests.

GB has an ax to grind with SF so they have a fighting chance.

Dak likes to throw pics and their defense has regressed.

Philly has been decimated with injuries and Hurts has elbow issues.

We obviously have more issues than a typical blond girlfriend.

So who knows what could happen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 7:57:40 PM   
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It's too bad about O'Neal, or the Vikings would really have a chance to take the NFC.

The upper teams are flawed. Philly is Hurting, SF with a rookie QB, stars are aligning for the Pack to take the NFC.

AFC should be Buffalo or KC, maybe Cincy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 8:32:22 PM   
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Below are PFF's 2022 NFL defense rankings:

Team - PFF Grade

1. Jets - 84.9
2. 49ers - 83.4
3. Eagles - 80.8
4. Vikings - 79.1 (ha ha!)
5. Rams - 77.8
6. Chiefs - 76.5
7. Broncos - 76.2
8. Titans - 75.8
9. Patriots - 75.6
10. Ravens - 73.4
11. Cowboys - 73.0
12. Bengals - 73.0
13. Dolphins - 72.2
14. Commanders - 71.4
15. Steelers - 71.1
16. Colts - 70.5
17. Jaguars - 70.2
18. Buccaneers - 69.5
19. Bills - 69.2
20. Saints - 68.8
21. Packers - 67.7
22. Seahawks - 64.3
23. Panthers - 63.8
24. Chargers - 61.8
25. Cardinals - 61.5
26. Raiders - 61.3
27. Browns - 61.2
28. Lions - 58.4
29. Falcons - 57.8
30. Giants - 57.4
31. Texans - 51.0
32. Bears - 46.2

The breakdown for the Vikings is as follows:

Run defense - 85.8 (ranking 2nd of 32)
Tackling - 83.9 (4th)
Pass rush - 73.7 (11th)
Coverage - 66.7 (20th)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 8:48:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

Below are PFF's 2022 NFL defense rankings:

Team - PFF Grade

1. Jets - 84.9
2. 49ers - 83.4
3. Eagles - 80.8
4. Vikings - 79.1 (ha ha!)
5. Rams - 77.8
6. Chiefs - 76.5
7. Broncos - 76.2
8. Titans - 75.8
9. Patriots - 75.6
10. Ravens - 73.4
11. Cowboys - 73.0
12. Bengals - 73.0
13. Dolphins - 72.2
14. Commanders - 71.4
15. Steelers - 71.1
16. Colts - 70.5
17. Jaguars - 70.2
18. Buccaneers - 69.5
19. Bills - 69.2
20. Saints - 68.8
21. Packers - 67.7
22. Seahawks - 64.3
23. Panthers - 63.8
24. Chargers - 61.8
25. Cardinals - 61.5
26. Raiders - 61.3
27. Browns - 61.2
28. Lions - 58.4
29. Falcons - 57.8
30. Giants - 57.4
31. Texans - 51.0
32. Bears - 46.2

The breakdown for the Vikings is as follows:

Run defense - 85.8 (ranking 2nd of 32)
Tackling - 83.9 (4th)
Pass rush - 73.7 (11th)
Coverage - 66.7 (20th)

Interesting. what's the post date and link please.

I'm curious how PFF differs from the other hackneyed pundit services I just looked at.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 8:59:18 PM   
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KOC should rest the starters, it would be better to play the Giants than the Packers in round 1, and besides that, it's not likely SF loses at home to Arizona.

Pretty sure we're locked into the three seed
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 9:12:19 PM   
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The Vikings are NOT locked into the 3rd seed.

The Vikings could win, SF loses, and the Vikings have one more win then them, and then the Vikings would have the #2 seed.

I don't think it is very likely SF loses at home to Arizona, and besides that, I think it's slightly more advantageous the 1st week of the playoffs to play the Giants instead of the Packers, so I think the #3 seed would be better.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 9:27:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

Below are PFF's 2022 NFL defense rankings:

Team - PFF Grade

1. Jets - 84.9
2. 49ers - 83.4
3. Eagles - 80.8
4. Vikings - 79.1 (ha ha!)
5. Rams - 77.8
6. Chiefs - 76.5
7. Broncos - 76.2
8. Titans - 75.8
9. Patriots - 75.6
10. Ravens - 73.4
11. Cowboys - 73.0
12. Bengals - 73.0
13. Dolphins - 72.2
14. Commanders - 71.4
15. Steelers - 71.1
16. Colts - 70.5
17. Jaguars - 70.2
18. Buccaneers - 69.5
19. Bills - 69.2
20. Saints - 68.8
21. Packers - 67.7
22. Seahawks - 64.3
23. Panthers - 63.8
24. Chargers - 61.8
25. Cardinals - 61.5
26. Raiders - 61.3
27. Browns - 61.2
28. Lions - 58.4
29. Falcons - 57.8
30. Giants - 57.4
31. Texans - 51.0
32. Bears - 46.2

The breakdown for the Vikings is as follows:

Run defense - 85.8 (ranking 2nd of 32)
Tackling - 83.9 (4th)
Pass rush - 73.7 (11th)
Coverage - 66.7 (20th)

Interesting. what's the post date and link please.

I'm curious how PFF differs from the other hackneyed pundit services I just looked at.

I got it just now directly from PFF's website at https://premium.pff.com/nfl/teams/2022/REGPO.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2023 11:35:06 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

Below are PFF's 2022 NFL defense rankings:

Team - PFF Grade

1. Jets - 84.9
2. 49ers - 83.4
3. Eagles - 80.8
4. Vikings - 79.1 (ha ha!)
5. Rams - 77.8
6. Chiefs - 76.5
7. Broncos - 76.2
8. Titans - 75.8
9. Patriots - 75.6
10. Ravens - 73.4
11. Cowboys - 73.0
12. Bengals - 73.0
13. Dolphins - 72.2
14. Commanders - 71.4
15. Steelers - 71.1
16. Colts - 70.5
17. Jaguars - 70.2
18. Buccaneers - 69.5
19. Bills - 69.2
20. Saints - 68.8
21. Packers - 67.7
22. Seahawks - 64.3
23. Panthers - 63.8
24. Chargers - 61.8
25. Cardinals - 61.5
26. Raiders - 61.3
27. Browns - 61.2
28. Lions - 58.4
29. Falcons - 57.8
30. Giants - 57.4
31. Texans - 51.0
32. Bears - 46.2

The breakdown for the Vikings is as follows:

Run defense - 85.8 (ranking 2nd of 32)
Tackling - 83.9 (4th)
Pass rush - 73.7 (11th)
Coverage - 66.7 (20th)

Interesting. what's the post date and link please.

I'm curious how PFF differs from the other hackneyed pundit services I just looked at.

I got it just now directly from PFF's website at https://premium.pff.com/nfl/teams/2022/REGPO.

Thanks but I don't have access to PFFs 'premium stats' to try and quantify their grades. Not sure it would matter.

Since we rank approximately

20th in total yards given up (1975), 19th in YPG (123.4), 21st in opponents YPC (4.5), 23rd in rushing TDs allowed ... etc etc etc across the board, I'm going to go out on a limb and say our run defense ranking #2 is very unlikely.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/opp.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/rushing/2022/reg/all
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense

These sites offer very very basic stats that do not give a full picture at all, but even so, you know where they are coming from.

Our run defense is better than our pass defense, so there's that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 5:27:46 AM   
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At least Mrs Theilen is spouting something stupider than me.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 7:26:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Murph
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ORIGINAL: marty
KOC should rest the starters, it would be better to play the Giants than the Packers in round 1, and besides that, it's not likely SF loses at home to Arizona.

We aren't winning the Super Bowl and neither are the Fudge so I could care less who plays/rests.

GB has an ax to grind with SF so they have a fighting chance.
Dak likes to throw pics and their defense has regressed.
Philly has been decimated with injuries and Hurts has elbow issues.
We obviously have more issues than a typical blond girlfriend.
So who knows what could happen.


The way to beat GB is run and throwing to the TE....Cook and TJ didn't help us out any.....betting at SF in a home playoff game Kittle and McCaffery would chew them up.

GB will beat you if you are impatient throwing the ball....duck, dumps, short patterns.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 8:07:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
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ORIGINAL: Murph
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ORIGINAL: marty
KOC should rest the starters, it would be better to play the Giants than the Packers in round 1, and besides that, it's not likely SF loses at home to Arizona.

We aren't winning the Super Bowl and neither are the Fudge so I could care less who plays/rests.

GB has an ax to grind with SF so they have a fighting chance.
Dak likes to throw pics and their defense has regressed.
Philly has been decimated with injuries and Hurts has elbow issues.
We obviously have more issues than a typical blond girlfriend.
So who knows what could happen.


The way to beat GB is run and throwing to the TE....Cook and TJ didn't help us out any.....betting at SF in a home playoff game Kittle and McCaffery would chew them up.

GB will beat you if you are impatient throwing the ball....duck, dumps, short patterns.

Even more simplified....most teams will beat you when you have four turnovers like the Vikings had last weekend.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 1/5/2023 8:15:26 AM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 8:07:47 AM   
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If the Vikes beat the Giants, then I want GB to beat SF.

If the Vikes lose to the Giants, then I want SF to beat GB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 8:19:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
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ORIGINAL: Murph
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ORIGINAL: marty
KOC should rest the starters, it would be better to play the Giants than the Packers in round 1, and besides that, it's not likely SF loses at home to Arizona.

We aren't winning the Super Bowl and neither are the Fudge so I could care less who plays/rests.

GB has an ax to grind with SF so they have a fighting chance.
Dak likes to throw pics and their defense has regressed.
Philly has been decimated with injuries and Hurts has elbow issues.
We obviously have more issues than a typical blond girlfriend.
So who knows what could happen.


The way to beat GB is run and throwing to the TE....Cook and TJ didn't help us out any.....betting at SF in a home playoff game Kittle and McCaffery would chew them up.

GB will beat you if you are impatient throwing the ball....duck, dumps, short patterns.

Even more simplified....most teams will beat you when you have four turnovers like the Vikings had last weekend.


They were not prepared to play on that turf....starting with the KR TD; WR/TE slipping, etc.
1st step in prepping for a game.

Neutral field/turf Vikings win.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 8:21:21 AM   
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I really don't know what PFF is looking at:


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PFF's Top 5 Defenses this season

1. Jets (84.9)
2. 49ers (83.4)
3. Eagles (80.8)
4. Vikings (79.1)
5. Rams (77.8)

Any surprises?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 8:24:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I really don't know what PFF is looking at:


uSTADIUM
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PFF's Top 5 Defenses this season

1. Jets (84.9)
2. 49ers (83.4)
3. Eagles (80.8)
4. Vikings (79.1)
5. Rams (77.8)

Any surprises?


So the Vikings record in one score games is a fluke and so is the points and yards the defense gives up?

I hope the front office doesn't buy that and runs the same trash back next year on defense.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 8:41:58 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I really don't know what PFF is looking at:


uSTADIUM
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PFF's Top 5 Defenses this season

1. Jets (84.9)
2. 49ers (83.4)
3. Eagles (80.8)
4. Vikings (79.1)
5. Rams (77.8)

Any surprises?

They must be putting extra extra weight on stats that feed into wins / our record. TImely turnovers at the end of games vs turnovers overall, as an example. Who knows.

I will absolutely take our bad defense that has contributed to some last minute wins … over just your typical real bad porous defense. But iwe are still real bad.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 9:12:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
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ORIGINAL: Murph
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ORIGINAL: marty
KOC should rest the starters, it would be better to play the Giants than the Packers in round 1, and besides that, it's not likely SF loses at home to Arizona.

We aren't winning the Super Bowl and neither are the Fudge so I could care less who plays/rests.

GB has an ax to grind with SF so they have a fighting chance.
Dak likes to throw pics and their defense has regressed.
Philly has been decimated with injuries and Hurts has elbow issues.
We obviously have more issues than a typical blond girlfriend.
So who knows what could happen.


The way to beat GB is run and throwing to the TE....Cook and TJ didn't help us out any.....betting at SF in a home playoff game Kittle and McCaffery would chew them up.

GB will beat you if you are impatient throwing the ball....duck, dumps, short patterns.

Even more simplified....most teams will beat you when you have four turnovers like the Vikings had last weekend.


They were not prepared to play on that turf....starting with the KR TD; WR/TE slipping, etc.
1st step in prepping for a game.

Neutral field/turf Vikings win.


IOW, they were not prepared to play.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 9:48:06 AM   
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Kevin Seifert
ESPN Staff Writer

EAGAN, Minn. -- A season-long debate about the Minnesota Vikings is nearing an end, and here's the best we can say: They have produced a season unlike any other in modern NFL history.

Their performance has shocked analysts who track metrics that usually reflect reliable outcomes, and it has left supporters to invoke an aphorism attributed to Hall of Fame coach Bill Parcells: "You are what your record says you are." Teams that fit the Vikings' performance profile have typically finished their seasons with records around .500, and they have never -- not a single time -- gone 12-4 through 16 games and been poised to host at least one home playoff game.

"There has never been anything like this," said Aaron Schatz, editor-in-chief of the analytics site Football Outsiders. "That's the short version."

The 2022 Vikings are the biggest overperformers in the 42-year span of data maintained by Football Outsiders, based on the discrepancy between their record and their team DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average), a metric that compares success on each play to the league average based on down and distance with adjustments for situations and opponents. A team with their point and yardage totals on offense and defense, Schatz said, would typically project at about 7.5 wins at this point.

The Vikings' DVOA ranks No. 28 in the NFL this season, and it isn't the only model that puts them in the bottom half of the league. ESPN's Football Power Index (FPI), which incorporates expected points added (EPA), ranks them as the 20th-best team in football.

QB Kirk Cousins and the Vikings are 12-4, but ESPN's Football Power Index ranks them as the 20th-best team in football. Jeff Hanisch/USA TODAY Sports
Why? Put simply, the Vikings have been outscored and outgained this season at a rate never before seen by a team close to their record.

They are the only team ever to achieve a 12-4 record with a negative point differential (minus-19). The next-closest team was the 2016 Oakland Raiders, who outscored their opponents by a total of 31 points.

It's easy to understand how that point differential has evolved. The Vikings have won an NFL-record 11 games by one score, but as Minnesota wide receiver Justin Jefferson memorably said after Sunday's 41-17 loss to the Green Bay Packers, "When we lose, we lose bad." Their four defeats have come by an average of 22.3 points, and were it not for two garbage time touchdowns on Sunday, the Vikings would have become the second team in the Super Bowl era to win 12 games while losing two by at least 30 points.

For context, consider that 15 teams this season alone have a better point differential than the Vikings. All of the teams below them have an 8-8 record or worse.

Points alone don't tell the story, however. The Vikings have been outgained by an average of 42.9 yards per game this season, and their minus-686 yard differential this season ranks No. 27 in the NFL. The five teams below them average 4.6 wins.

This is not to say, of course, that the Vikings have done nothing to earn their wins. In fourth quarters, they lead the league in offensive scoring (10.1 points) and rank second in turnover margin (plus-8). In other words, they've saved their best efforts for the most important part of their games. And they've avoided allowing one loss to spill into another, having followed up all three previous defeats this season with a victory.

"I take a lot of pride in what we've attempted to build here," coach Kevin O'Connell said, "and feel pretty strongly about our team and our resiliency."

Such analysis isn't meant to discredit the Vikings' achievements but instead to understand the implications for their chances to win the Super Bowl. Historically, the Vikings' unique winning formula has not been sustainable. As stated before, the Vikings have won all 11 of their one-score games. Since the 1970 NFL merger, the range of winning percentages in one-score games among the NFL's 32 teams is .407 to .570.

If the Vikings finish the season with close to the current DVOA rating, Football Outsiders would consider them the NFL's seventh-worst playoff team since 1981.

"Nobody is trying to go back and take wins away from the Vikings," Schatz said. "What we're trying to do is predict the future and marvel at how bonkers this has all been."

Vikings coaches and players expressed confidence that their close-game victories have left them battle-tested for the postseason, during which games are traditionally a bit closer than their corresponding regular seasons. But scoring and yardage differential, among other metrics, are more predictive of future outcomes than victories in one-score games.

This is not to say that teams that have thrived on one-score wins have never achieved playoff success, and here's an example to end this on a less dire note.

The 2003 Carolina Panthers were better than the 2022 Vikings in point differential (No. 16) and yardage differential (No. 11). But Carolina did win an NFL-high nine one-score games. Place-kicker John Kasay connected on the same number of game-winning field goals (five) as current Vikings kicker Greg Joseph has in 2022.

The Panthers clinched the NFC South, won three playoff games and advanced to Super Bowl XXXVIII, losing to the New England Patriots -- by one score -- on a field goal with four seconds remaining.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 10:03:35 AM   
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Kevin Seifert
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EAGAN, Minn. -- A season-long debate about the Minnesota Vikings is nearing an end, and here's the best we can say: They have produced a season unlike any other in modern NFL history.

Their performance has shocked analysts who track metrics that usually reflect reliable outcomes, and it has left supporters to invoke an aphorism attributed to Hall of Fame coach Bill Parcells: "You are what your record says you are." Teams that fit the Vikings' performance profile have typically finished their seasons with records around .500, and they have never -- not a single time -- gone 12-4 through 16 games and been poised to host at least one home playoff game.

"There has never been anything like this," said Aaron Schatz, editor-in-chief of the analytics site Football Outsiders. "That's the short version."

The 2022 Vikings are the biggest overperformers in the 42-year span of data maintained by Football Outsiders, based on the discrepancy between their record and their team DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average), a metric that compares success on each play to the league average based on down and distance with adjustments for situations and opponents. A team with their point and yardage totals on offense and defense, Schatz said, would typically project at about 7.5 wins at this point.

The Vikings' DVOA ranks No. 28 in the NFL this season, and it isn't the only model that puts them in the bottom half of the league. ESPN's Football Power Index (FPI), which incorporates expected points added (EPA), ranks them as the 20th-best team in football.

QB Kirk Cousins and the Vikings are 12-4, but ESPN's Football Power Index ranks them as the 20th-best team in football. Jeff Hanisch/USA TODAY Sports
Why? Put simply, the Vikings have been outscored and outgained this season at a rate never before seen by a team close to their record.

They are the only team ever to achieve a 12-4 record with a negative point differential (minus-19). The next-closest team was the 2016 Oakland Raiders, who outscored their opponents by a total of 31 points.

It's easy to understand how that point differential has evolved. The Vikings have won an NFL-record 11 games by one score, but as Minnesota wide receiver Justin Jefferson memorably said after Sunday's 41-17 loss to the Green Bay Packers, "When we lose, we lose bad." Their four defeats have come by an average of 22.3 points, and were it not for two garbage time touchdowns on Sunday, the Vikings would have become the second team in the Super Bowl era to win 12 games while losing two by at least 30 points.

For context, consider that 15 teams this season alone have a better point differential than the Vikings. All of the teams below them have an 8-8 record or worse.

Points alone don't tell the story, however. The Vikings have been outgained by an average of 42.9 yards per game this season, and their minus-686 yard differential this season ranks No. 27 in the NFL. The five teams below them average 4.6 wins.

This is not to say, of course, that the Vikings have done nothing to earn their wins. In fourth quarters, they lead the league in offensive scoring (10.1 points) and rank second in turnover margin (plus-8). In other words, they've saved their best efforts for the most important part of their games. And they've avoided allowing one loss to spill into another, having followed up all three previous defeats this season with a victory.

"I take a lot of pride in what we've attempted to build here," coach Kevin O'Connell said, "and feel pretty strongly about our team and our resiliency."

Such analysis isn't meant to discredit the Vikings' achievements but instead to understand the implications for their chances to win the Super Bowl. Historically, the Vikings' unique winning formula has not been sustainable. As stated before, the Vikings have won all 11 of their one-score games. Since the 1970 NFL merger, the range of winning percentages in one-score games among the NFL's 32 teams is .407 to .570.

If the Vikings finish the season with close to the current DVOA rating, Football Outsiders would consider them the NFL's seventh-worst playoff team since 1981.

"Nobody is trying to go back and take wins away from the Vikings," Schatz said. "What we're trying to do is predict the future and marvel at how bonkers this has all been."

Vikings coaches and players expressed confidence that their close-game victories have left them battle-tested for the postseason, during which games are traditionally a bit closer than their corresponding regular seasons. But scoring and yardage differential, among other metrics, are more predictive of future outcomes than victories in one-score games.

This is not to say that teams that have thrived on one-score wins have never achieved playoff success, and here's an example to end this on a less dire note.

The 2003 Carolina Panthers were better than the 2022 Vikings in point differential (No. 16) and yardage differential (No. 11). But Carolina did win an NFL-high nine one-score games. Place-kicker John Kasay connected on the same number of game-winning field goals (five) as current Vikings kicker Greg Joseph has in 2022.

The Panthers clinched the NFC South, won three playoff games and advanced to Super Bowl XXXVIII, losing to the New England Patriots -- by one score -- on a field goal with four seconds remaining.

That's great stuff. A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma ...

Really all we can do is watch, be amazed. Or not.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 11:12:08 AM   
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I really don't know what PFF is looking at:


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PFF's Top 5 Defenses this season

1. Jets (84.9)
2. 49ers (83.4)
3. Eagles (80.8)
4. Vikings (79.1)
5. Rams (77.8)

Any surprises?

Another reason never to pay attention to PFF.

Phil, at some point you need to quit believing every shovel full of shit served to you.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 1/5/2023 11:13:13 AM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 11:24:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I really don't know what PFF is looking at:


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PFF's Top 5 Defenses this season

1. Jets (84.9)
2. 49ers (83.4)
3. Eagles (80.8)
4. Vikings (79.1)
5. Rams (77.8)

Any surprises?

Another reason never to pay attention to PFF.

Phil, at some point you need to quit believing every shovel full of shit served to you.


You mean most of your posts?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 11:25:05 AM   
Phil Riewer


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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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KOC should rest the starters, it would be better to play the Giants than the Packers in round 1, and besides that, it's not likely SF loses at home to Arizona.

We aren't winning the Super Bowl and neither are the Fudge so I could care less who plays/rests.

GB has an ax to grind with SF so they have a fighting chance.
Dak likes to throw pics and their defense has regressed.
Philly has been decimated with injuries and Hurts has elbow issues.
We obviously have more issues than a typical blond girlfriend.
So who knows what could happen.


The way to beat GB is run and throwing to the TE....Cook and TJ didn't help us out any.....betting at SF in a home playoff game Kittle and McCaffery would chew them up.

GB will beat you if you are impatient throwing the ball....duck, dumps, short patterns.

Even more simplified....most teams will beat you when you have four turnovers like the Vikings had last weekend.


They were not prepared to play on that turf....starting with the KR TD; WR/TE slipping, etc.
1st step in prepping for a game.

Neutral field/turf Vikings win.


IOW, they were not prepared to play.


Bud would have had them practice outside for 3 weeks straight after that performance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 12:14:26 PM   
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It seems pretty clear that multiple people in the Vikings organization were irritated with how often players slipped on the Lambeau Field turf last week, especially those who didn't wear the recommended 7-stud cleats. OC Wes Phillips had a sharp response on the issue today:
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Phillips noted it wasn't just skill position players. Some linemen also struggled with footing. And he said that cornerback Chandon Sullivan, a former Packer with experience at Lambeau, didn't use 7-studs. Wasn't the difference in the game, but a peek behind the scenes

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 2:59:10 PM   
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One proposal out there:

Week 19
Bengals/Bills
NFC wild card playoffs
AFC playoff bye week

Week 20
AFC wild card playoffs
NFC playoff bye week
3:55 PM · Jan 4, 2023

I like it
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2023 3:06:30 PM   
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That seems like a fair and smart idea there Todd.

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