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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

Outside of Barkley he has almost no talent around him. He manufactured a win when it mattered. To me, that is the difference between him and Cousins. Jones laid his body on the line and gutted out a win. Cousins checked down on fourth down with the season on the line.

It's the difference between being a winner or a perennial brides maid.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted?

KC
Buffalo
Cinncy
San Diego
Jacksonville

They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone.

You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round.

I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows.

Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank.

Dak is a turn over machine.

Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO.

1) SD is out of the playoffs.

Jones has been good this year w/o a clear #1 WR.

First rounders: NYG, KC, Buffalo, Cinn, Jax.
Second rounders: Philly
Third Rounders: Dallas
7th: SF

You don't have to go all in on a qb.

Dak did nothing in the post season when he was a small % of the cap. He is no better than Cousins until he proves otherwise.

Has Hurts done anything? His durability is an issue.

Nobody dissatisfied with Cousins should be envious of Philly Dallas NE situations.

Only QB situations I am jealous of are the top shelf high end guys that pass well from the pocket and can run with they have to. They were all drafted high.

The timing of your posts are amazing. 12 hours ago Dak had a near-perfect game. 4 TDs and 0 picks.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
These people are pupae and KC is their fuzzy cocoon.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted?

KC
Buffalo
Cinncy
San Diego
Jacksonville

They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone.

You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round.

I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows.

Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank.

Dak is a turn over machine.

Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO.

1) SD is out of the playoffs.

2) Jones has been good this year w/o a clear #1 WR.

First rounders: NYG, KC, Buffalo, Cinn, Jax.
Second rounders: Philly
Third Rounders: Dallas
7th: SF

You don't have to go all in on a qb.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Which teams do you think are satisfied at QB for the next 5 years and where were those QB's drafted?

KC
Buffalo
Cinncy
San Diego
Jacksonville

They were all drafted damn high. The rest of the league is looking or at the very least would pick up the phone.

You can include NYG 1st rounder also but looking at Dak 3rd round and SF 7th. So 2 out of the 8 didn't draft their QB in the first round.

I suggest we try unconventional first; 2024 we may have the capital to go high on QB. Don't think we can get there in 2023 but who knows.

Jones ? Darn average besides ripping the Vikings twice. He isn't proven anything. 9 wins and they are set for the next 5? Cousins wins 13 and some want to release him and tank.

Dak is a turn over machine.

Purdy, he craps out they might flip to Brady next year, he is far from a stone cold lock for 5 years and Shanahan gets the bulk of the credit IMO.

1) SD is out of the playoffs.

2) Jones has been good this year w/o a clear #1 WR.

First rounders: NYG, KC, Buffalo, Cinn, Jax.
Second rounders: Philly
Third Rounders: Dallas
7th: SF

You don't have to go all in on a qb.

Now tell me how often late round QBs hit compared to early rounds.

Counting on an exception is no way to go.

Do you think Purdy was drafted as the QBOTF? I doubt Lynch expected him to even make the team.

Hell, I doubt we make the Playoffs this year with Purdy at QB. He's a great story, but SF has the talent and coaching to hide him as well as any team since the Dilfer Ravens.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
These people are pupae and KC is their fuzzy cocoon.

KC won us over the year. The defense side is a bigger concern. If you can't fix it you may as well blow it up. Expectations were for a top 10 offense and a defense being 15-20 and improving as season went on....second part never happened.

For me even with the last checkdown by the KC the defense was the deciding factor. They just couldn't stop anything and should have given up another TD to Slayton.

Sounds like they postponed the KOC end of year news conference until tomorrow.....some speculating a new DC already.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

In 2019 Cousins was surrounded by Diggs, Thielen, Cook, a bad OL (Reiff, O'Neill, Kline... not the worst of that era), and a defense that was 5th in points allowed. He got his lone playoff win that year. Which is about right.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

Run back both teams next year and do you think we're still 4 games better than NY?

This was the strangest season I've ever seen. It's hard to put it into any kind of perspective.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard.

Problem with Jones...NYG didn't think enough of him to guarantee his last year (before a full year of Daboll). So there is that.
So if you go hypothetical the first 3 years are struggles with decent WR on his contract.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
These people are pupae and KC is their fuzzy cocoon.

KC won us over the year. The defense side is a bigger concern. If you can't fix it you may as well blow it up. Expectations were for a top 10 offense and a defense being 15-20 and improving as season went on....second part never happened.

For me even with the last checkdown by the KC the defense was the deciding factor. They just couldn't stop anything and should have given up another TD to Slayton.

Sounds like they postponed the KOC end of year news conference until tomorrow.....some speculating a new DC already.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

Outside of Barkley he has almost no talent around him. He manufactured a win when it mattered. To me, that is the difference between him and Cousins. Jones laid his body on the line and gutted out a win. Cousins checked down on fourth down with the season on the line.

It's the difference between being a winner or a perennial brides maid.

Almost like you didn't watch the game. Cousins took hit after hit.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard.

Problem with Jones...NYG didn't think enough of him to guarantee his last year (before a full year of Daboll). So there is that.
So if you go hypothetical the first 3 years are struggles with decent WR on his contract.

See I don't see that as a problem. They got a serviceable QB that wasn't a homerun. That allowed them to cut bait and keep trying. The strange wrinkle was that he produced in his fourth year under a new coach. This is also most definitley NOT a problem. They can resign him if they think he's a homerun with Daboll or they can simply move on. They are in the drivers seat. What's Jones' market value? Too high - goodbye. Unexpetedly low? Sweet - sign him!

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

We were discussing the final drive…

If Vikings score a TD..do you go for 2 points? Considering the defense was absolutely worthless.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard.

Problem with Jones...NYG didn't think enough of him to guarantee his last year (before a full year of Daboll). So there is that.
So if you go hypothetical the first 3 years are struggles with decent WR on his contract.

See I don't see that as a problem. They got a serviceable QB that wasn't a homerun. That allowed them to cut bait and keep trying. The strange wrinkle was that he produced in his fourth year under a new coach. This is also most definitley NOT a problem. They can resign him if they think he's a homerun with Daboll or they can simply move on. They are in the drivers seat. What's Jones' market value? Too high - goodbye. Unexpetedly low? Sweet - sign him!

Right there is an example of a startling difference in logic, smarts, and common sense.

And the Giants have scraps for WR. Cousins has had Diggs, a prime Thielen, and now a couple of 'generational' talents.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

Outside of Barkley he has almost no talent around him. He manufactured a win when it mattered. To me, that is the difference between him and Cousins. Jones laid his body on the line and gutted out a win. Cousins checked down on fourth down with the season on the line.

It's the difference between being a winner or a perennial brides maid.

Almost like you didn't watch the game. Cousins took hit after hit.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard.

Problem with Jones...NYG didn't think enough of him to guarantee his last year (before a full year of Daboll). So there is that.
So if you go hypothetical the first 3 years are struggles with decent WR on his contract.

See I don't see that as a problem. They got a serviceable QB that wasn't a homerun. That allowed them to cut bait and keep trying. The strange wrinkle was that he produced in his fourth year under a new coach. This is also most definitley NOT a problem. They can resign him if they think he's a homerun with Daboll or they can simply move on. They are in the drivers seat. What's Jones' market value? Too high - goodbye. Unexpetedly low? Sweet - sign him!

Right there is an example of a startling difference in logic, smarts, and common sense.

And the Giants have scraps for WR. Cousins has had Diggs, a prime Thielen, and now a couple of 'generational' talents.

Weird...Giants most likely done in a week also. So would that make your philosphy any better?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
These people are pupae and KC is their fuzzy cocoon.

KC won us over the year. The defense side is a bigger concern. If you can't fix it you may as well blow it up. Expectations were for a top 10 offense and a defense being 15-20 and improving as season went on....second part never happened.

For me even with the last checkdown by the KC the defense was the deciding factor. They just couldn't stop anything and should have given up another TD to Slayton.

Sounds like they postponed the KOC end of year news conference until tomorrow.....some speculating a new DC already.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard.

Problem with Jones...NYG didn't think enough of him to guarantee his last year (before a full year of Daboll). So there is that.
So if you go hypothetical the first 3 years are struggles with decent WR on his contract.

See I don't see that as a problem. They got a serviceable QB that wasn't a homerun. That allowed them to cut bait and keep trying. The strange wrinkle was that he produced in his fourth year under a new coach. This is also most definitley NOT a problem. They can resign him if they think he's a homerun with Daboll or they can simply move on. They are in the drivers seat. What's Jones' market value? Too high - goodbye. Unexpetedly low? Sweet - sign him!

Right there is an example of a startling difference in logic, smarts, and common sense.

And the Giants have scraps for WR. Cousins has had Diggs, a prime Thielen, and now a couple of 'generational' talents.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Jones won 9 games with a much better defense.

Yup, he is better than Cousins who won 13

Makes sense to me.

I don't look at it as a simple Jones vs. Cousins comparison. I look at the big picture. Jones' cap hits over the last four years were (rounded) $5, $6, $7, and $8 million. Cousins' were $29, $21, $31, and $31. So in each of those years you don't just get Jones but you get Jones + whatever the extra $24 million buys you which could be a star corner AND a star guard.

Problem with Jones...NYG didn't think enough of him to guarantee his last year (before a full year of Daboll). So there is that.
So if you go hypothetical the first 3 years are struggles with decent WR on his contract.

See I don't see that as a problem. They got a serviceable QB that wasn't a homerun. That allowed them to cut bait and keep trying. The strange wrinkle was that he produced in his fourth year under a new coach. This is also most definitley NOT a problem. They can resign him if they think he's a homerun with Daboll or they can simply move on. They are in the drivers seat. What's Jones' market value? Too high - goodbye. Unexpetedly low? Sweet - sign him!